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CorkonianRebel

More congrats for the ladies today in senior Camogie

Liberty Ins Snr Cship: Cork 0-19 Offaly 0-10 (FT)

zetecescort

CorkonianRebel wrote: »

More congrats for the ladies today in senior Camogie

Liberty Ins Snr Cship: Cork 0-19 Offaly 0-10 (FT)

Great result, straight into the semifinal now. Well done to all concerned

Thinkstoomuch

zetecescort wrote: »

Great result, straight into the semifinal now. Well done to all concerned

Fair play to them.It would be great final if it was Cork and Wexford again.

Pa cronin sister plays with Cork.

Thinkstoomuch

Cork v Galway next saturday at 5 in the football.

I had said during the week I didnt rate Armagh at all,but i did think they would beat a young galway team.

Armagh ,as I said are a poor poor team.

Galway will actually be a tougher test,the style of play,fluent attack minded,but comfortable on the ball ,and have beaten Cork at U21 the last,3 years wont fear Cork.

Down the years,Cork and Galway games have been close and Galway will be suited to Croke park,and have some fine players.

Galways midfield was superb today.
By all accounts,O Neill and AOC are set to start their for Cork.They will lack pace,and be exposed badly here,unless Walsh starts here.

Walsh is set to start at CF.Another shambolic,move by Counihan.Based on a 20 minute cameo against a tired Kerry team.

Walsh has many strengths,but lacks the guile ,grace,natural footballing ability,creativity,and finishing skills compared to Kelly,Collins or Sheehan.
Sheehan is set to start at Full forward.


What is the point ,if we have a half forward line and midfield,that are incapable of delivering fast ball in to them,that can only play a direct running and hand passing game ,that will allow Galway turn them over,and counter attack at pace.


If Counihan goes with the old brigade,this young Galway team,with pace all over the field could very will beat us,as they have momentum and confidence now.

ShamoBuc

Cork v Galway - the winner could well be decided by Counihans tactics - not feeling confident.

Thinkstoomuch

premierstone wrote: »

In fairness he didn't actually blame Newtown or Bernie o'Connor, he said there had been a tendancy within Cork Club Hurling and county set ups to try and replicate that game type when it was a style that was specifically designed for and successfull because of the particular individuals who mastered it, I think he has a very valid point to be fair.

I do agree with you on the blame game that is going on alright but even this is at least progress, upto a year or two ago the powers that be in Cork and alot of the less clued in supporters had there heads buried in the sand and convinced there was nothing amiss and it was just a cyclical thing, as they say admitting the problem is the first step. And people spouting rubbish about hurlers coming like mushrooms in Cork are not helping anyone.

If a strong traditional county like Cork starts to rest on its laurels and assume everything will be ok, it won't be long before they become a minnow, take Tipp as yer perfect example for those who don't think it can happen, 1972-1987 happened for a reason and it wasn't untill the problem was recognised and addressed that we became a respectable county again.

I agree about Cork becoming a minnow.In fact,such is the overall state of Cork hurling,their is a strong argument to say we are a minnow already.
I would dissagree about Newtownshandrum.

I felt,he was in a round about way,laying the blame at their doorstep.Their is ,as many Cork fans will tell you,a misconception that Newtownshandrum are to blame for the ills of Cork Hurling,by the some people in Cork ,and look down their noses at them.
For such a small parish,you blink an eye,your gone through it ,before you know it,they and Bernie O Connor for what they achieved ,are a credit and inspiration to Cork hurling.

To come from winning an intermediate title in 98,to win 3 Senior County titles,and the last Cork club to win an all ireland is nothing short of amazing.

When you,consider the small pick of players they have and within a 5 mile radius of other hurling clubs like Dromina,Milford,and Ballyhea, and even Chareville,to the likes of how the Glen or the Barrs, who have not won a county in over 20 years and Blackrock in ten years,but have a much larger pick of players,it really shows that Newtown deserve immense credit for their success.


The very fact the player did not mention Sarsfields by name,as there much loved by the powers to be,as a club carrying on the running game shows how one sided he was.

Sarsfields,it could be very well argued have the players to play a direct game,unlike newtown who and righty so ,had to play the game to their strengths.

Newtown may have introduced this style,but others,carried it on.But no mention of Sarsfields by name, who have won 3 county titles,playing that game.

For the record,I am not a Newtown man and don't have anything against Sars,but it is some people look at Sars,with rose tinted glasses,but are quick to blame or hint at Newtown for everything wrong with Cork hurling.He made one good point,the CCB,are more worried about the new stadium,and unless Cork start becoming successful,they will struggle to fill it.

Our nearest thing to "Glory days" and a packed stadium could only be if "Bruce" comes back to Cork again and sings that song.

What is very interesting,is Mr X ,shall we say,refused to give he's name.How can anybody be taken seriously,if they don't have the courage to say who they are and back it up.

Like a cheque,it's value is useless unless you can put a name to it.

I don't agree ,the running game is to blame for Corks demise.It just easy to blame this,then look at the real faults.

Cork quite simply owe that style,a lot of credit,as we won two all irelands with it.
We did not have the Tim Crowleys,Kevin Hennesseys,JBMS etc to play a direct style.

We had far more than athletes to.What we had was skilful,talented,wristy hurlers,who need the ball played to them ,but were complimented by the likes of Cocoran,and Timmy mac,up front who could compete under the high ball.

The current team if anything espiceally against KK,do not have the forwards to play direct against them.

As Tippereary proved you do not play direct against their half back line,but like waterford showed,a short passing game is your only hope.

Of course like 2006,proved you got to have a plan B too,and mix it up a bit.
But based on the type of players Cork produce,the direct and old school way we won all irelands with,wont win us all irelands again.


It's a shame Mr X ,did not say that if cork want to play a direct game,then more money needs to be put in to development squads,and the strength and conditioning side of things.

He made ref that the short passing,was a problem wed night.

As correctly pointed out by a poster on the U21 thread,that style actually helped us,brought us back in to the game,and saved us from the mother of mother of all hidings.Yes,a few mistakes were made ,but how many scores ,as proven by a superb goal were created by this.

He failed to acknowlege this,and the fact that what destroyed Cork,was the direct style of bombing ball after ball ,down on the dominant Tipp half back line.

He failed to mention the tactical ineptness,and the inability to make crucial decisions in the course of the game.

It was like the short passing game in Cork had ruined the players,and no manager at intercounty could be faulted .

To my view,it was just spin doctoring .

The_Kew_Tour

If we cant beat Galway......................

zetecescort

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If we cant beat Galway......................

And if we do? In no way confident about facing Donegal, Dublin or Mayo.

Have an awful feeling our summer will be over by the August weekend in both codes

ShamoBuc

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If we cant beat Galway......................

True. I do think we will beat them, but this cork team are being held back which evens the teams up more. I should be fairly confident of winning, but I'm not.
Cork by about 3 or 4 points will do nicely, or 2 or 1 even:)

The_Kew_Tour

zetecescort wrote: »

And if we do? In no way confident about facing Donegal, Dublin or Mayo.

Have an awful feeling our summer will be over by the August weekend in both codes

Oh I know that.

and I agree, but we should beat Galway really.

Thinkstoomuch

zetecescort wrote: »

And if we do? In no way confident about facing Donegal, Dublin or Mayo.

Have an awful feeling our summer will be over by the August weekend in both codes

I feel the same.The only team we will have in an all ireland final,is our Junior team,who should beat Warackshire in the semi final.
Id slighty prefer Donegal,if we beat Galway,as Mayo and Dublin are fresh and could really give Cork a mauling.

My hope is Donegal may not be as good as last year.They may well prove me wrong.Having said that, it is hard to see Cork tactically beating Gavin,Horan,Mcguinness and Lacey is back now.

Their is a big danger of Galway beating us next week.From what I hear,the team may be,its just same old,Counihan who only aim of a radical shake up,is Walsh at CF.

He thinks Walsh can do a Pearse O Neill back in the days.He really is a clueless manager.If Walsh starts a CF,it shows the game CC wants to play.
I do not think Walsh as ever played their in football for Kanturk,Duhallow or at college level.

Cork won't win another all ireland with the slow,hand passing,basketball type play,that has players who not only lack speed of legs,but crucially speed of thought in the modern game.

Counihan is likely to start,Gould,Kissane,Canty ,and Walsh at CF and AOC and O Neill.

Clancy who had a fine game as a sub in killarney,could well start corner back.

He is wasted in their though,and with Jamie Sul back should start at half back.

Cork can and should beat Galway,but only with the right team.Galway ,while no Kerry,do produce players naturally gifted and pure footballers and have always pushed Cork to the limit.
Shane Walsh,Meehan,Armstrong ,Flynn are fine players.

Midfield worries me and will give me nightmares for the week.

Flynn and Conry against AOC and O Neill,with O Curraoin on the bench.
AOC was roasted in the open spaces of Croke Park in 2011 against mayo.

How in the name of Jesus is and O Neill,going to keep up Flynn and Conroy who covered very blade of grass yesterday.

I hope Cork pick a team of brains over brawn,as Galway have fast ,intelligent players who will be suited to Croke Park.

rebel girl 15

Slightly prefer Donegal?? I hope that was a typo! I'd much prefer Mayo - playing a poor London side in a final, you can always catch a team on the hop after playing a game where they don't have to be at their best.

To be honest, it doesn't matter really, I don't see us beating Galway - and I don't see the hurlers beating Kilkenny. Expected bad tactics from Counihan, surprised by the poor tactics of JBM. Galway have a pretty decent record v Cork at under 21 level recently as well.

ShamoBuc

If we get over Galway, Mayo would be the preferred option - beyond any doubt whatsoever.

Here Precious2

ShamoBuc wrote: »

If we get over Galway, Mayo would be the preferred option - beyond any doubt whatsoever.

Monaghan ?

ShamoBuc

Here Precious2 wrote: »

Monaghan ?

No, still Mayo.

Monaghan looked like they had a good game plan, stuck with it and won well - all the things Cork don't do!

Thinkstoomuch

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Slightly prefer Donegal?? I hope that was a typo! I'd much prefer Mayo - playing a poor London side in a final, you can always catch a team on the hop after playing a game where they don't have to be at their best.

To be honest, it doesn't matter really, I don't see us beating Galway - and I don't see the hurlers beating Kilkenny. Expected bad tactics from Counihan, surprised by the poor tactics of JBM. Galway have a pretty decent record v Cork at under 21 level recently as well.

NO rebel girl,as strange as it sounds,Donegal ,id prefer out of the Dubs,or Mayo.

As proven by the game today,they are a tired team,lacking the same spark and drive as last year.They were lucky to beat Down.

Their is a hangover from last year,and are a one trick pony,in that they have had not added anything new to their game.Karl lacey,is clearly struggling with fitness and a huge loss to them.

Now ,i dont mean Cork will beat them,as Couinhan is a dissaster,but in the context of Dublin,or Mayo,id rather them,as Dublin under Gavin,would beat us out the gate,and a fresh mayo team ,could do the same.

I did think Donegal would beat Monaghan,but you could you see they were not a patch on last years team.

Mayo ,people ,in my view regard them as a soft touch ,based on their history with Cork.

I don't and believe the easy run they had,and their injuries healing have the freshness,hunger,footballers and in Horan,a shrewd tactian to beat Cork and beat us well.This is not the soft,weak,self -destruct mayo of by gone days.Kieran shannon has also done great work with them.


Since 2011,they have steadily improved where we have gone back.The 2011 win against us,and the league win in Cork,now has instilled the belief,and they know how to beat Cork.

As it turned out,we wont have Donegal now.
Monaghan are a good side,but very beatable in contrast to Dublin,or Mayo.

I wouldnt fear them.Again though with Counihan,you begin to fear everyone.

I agree Galway could beat us.Galway are the type of side we would struggle with.
A fast counter attacking game,a good young midfield,and natural intelligent forwards,with real real pace.

And they have a good young manager,and won't fear us at all.

In relation to KK,to have any chance depends on the Kk team,which team turns up.If Kk of old turn up were goosed.

My concern is the media are highlighting the Goal drought in KK at present.Cody is sure to focus in on that and target primarily our full back line,and from the start go for the juglar,and go for goals.

My only hope is Nash in goals,but at the end of the day,there is only so long you can keep them out.


Bob ryan gave an interview yesterday on the radio.Nothing new.In regards the U21 horror show,he said,he was at a loss to explain it,but Cork are working as hard as everyone else,and these things some times happen,but they will keep trying.

Great answer Bob.

With answers like that Cork hurling has no reason to worry.

Amprodude

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Slightly prefer Donegal?? I hope that was a typo! I'd much prefer Mayo - playing a poor London side in a final, you can always catch a team on the hop after playing a game where they don't have to be at their best.

To be honest, it doesn't matter really, I don't see us beating Galway - and I don't see the hurlers beating Kilkenny. Expected bad tactics from Counihan, surprised by the poor tactics of JBM. Galway have a pretty decent record v Cork at under 21 level recently as well.

U21 is a different level to Senior though. Expect Cork to win this one. Galway were shocking against Mayo in Connacht. They beat Arnagh at home. Neutral venue and we should win by 2-3 even with CC tactics.

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

U21 is a different level to Senior though. Expect Cork to win this one. Galway were shocking against Mayo in Connacht. They beat Arnagh at home. Neutral venue and we should win by 2-3 even with CC tactics.

Result very much depends on the team he picks.

Thinkstoomuch

Jim mcguiness bemoaning the loss of Mchugh.

He's injury woes are bad,but at least not as bad as Cork have suffered.

Thinkstoomuch

A good piece of information from the paper regarding Loughrey

" But it is James Loughrey who will have the most important appointment of all if, as anticipated, he picks up Colm Cooper. I have been curious about Loughrey since he first came to prominence four years for Antrim. His clubmate, Joe Brolly, informed us back then that Loughrey held the record for six of the nine standardised specialised tests at SINI (Sports Institute of Northern Ireland) as part of their elite athletes’ scheme. These tests included impact strength, turning speed, vertical jump, endurance running (bleep test) and acceleration. His performances, we were told, were simply astonishing, and it came as no surprise later that year in Tullamore to see Loughrey cause endless concern from wing-back for the Kerry defence. If he were detailed to pick up Cooper tomorrow, will he be expected to curb his natural instincts or, if given guaranteed protection from the likes of Canty and Walsh, will he have licence to present the new Kerry centre-forward with the first genuine dilemma of his fledgling career on the 40? Does he stay or does he go?

ShamoBuc

Mchugh is a huge player to them. He is the man that gets through more work than anyone else - he epitomizes Donegal's style. I do not think they would have won if he stayed on though, Monaghan were full value for their win

Thinkstoomuch

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Mchugh is a huge player to them. He is the man that gets through more work than anyone else - he epitomizes Donegal's style. I do not think they would have won if he stayed on though, Monaghan were full value for their win

A superb player

Orizio

We'll beat Galway handy, they are very poor. Beating Armagh isn't much of an achievement.

Hopefully we'll keep things respectful against Kilkenny, I can't see us keeping the deficit down beyond 4-5 points.

keane2097

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

A good piece of information from the paper regarding Loughrey

" But it is James Loughrey who will have the most important appointment of all if, as anticipated, he picks up Colm Cooper. I have been curious about Loughrey since he first came to prominence four years for Antrim. His clubmate, Joe Brolly, informed us back then that Loughrey held the record for six of the nine standardised specialised tests at SINI (Sports Institute of Northern Ireland) as part of their elite athletes’ scheme. These tests included impact strength, turning speed, vertical jump, endurance running (bleep test) and acceleration. His performances, we were told, were simply astonishing, and it came as no surprise later that year in Tullamore to see Loughrey cause endless concern from wing-back for the Kerry defence. If he were detailed to pick up Cooper tomorrow, will he be expected to curb his natural instincts or, if given guaranteed protection from the likes of Canty and Walsh, will he have licence to present the new Kerry centre-forward with the first genuine dilemma of his fledgling career on the 40? Does he stay or does he go?

Yeah I said from the start of the year to my friends from Cork that they didn't know what a gem they were getting in Loughrey - he's a properly top class footballer. Wouldn't be sending him out to mark Gooch any day of the week though.

Amprodude

Orizio wrote: »

We'll beat Galway handy, they are very poor. Beating Armagh isn't much of an achievement.

Hopefully we'll keep things respectful against Kilkenny, I can't see us keeping the deficit down beyond 4-5 points.

We dont have any hope against Kilkenny really. If we were to win this one it would probably be the greatest win ever in Cork hurling given how unsuccessful we have been over last few years. Is the game on in Thurles? Sorry im on holidays and havent been in touch with fixtures.

InchicoreDude

Cork should definitely beat Galway. Despite the result against Armagh, Galway are very very poor. Armagh kicked some really awful wides in the Galway game that I just cant see Cork kicking. If Galway are to have any chance against ye, they really need to raise their game a lot.

However, the current Galway team are very different to the one who lost against Mayo. They have had 3 qualifier games since then and there have been many [good] changes to Galways starting team in the meantime.

D'Agger

keane2097 wrote: »

Yeah I said from the start of the year to my friends from Cork that they didn't know what a gem they were getting in Loughrey - he's a properly top class footballer. Wouldn't be sending him out to mark Gooch any day of the week though.

He's a huge boost to Mallow this year already, scored 1-3 in their first round of championship from midfield and was all over the park linking play from what I heard.

They made the semi final of the county last year - could be the missing piece of the puzzle for them.

Horse84

Shane o'neill is rated at 50-50 for Kilkenny match with a hip injury. He'd be a huge loss.

MfMan

Amprodude wrote: »

We dont have any hope against Kilkenny really. If we were to win this one it would probably be the greatest win ever in Cork hurling given how unsuccessful we have been over last few years. Is the game on in Thurles? Sorry im on holidays and havent been in touch with fixtures.

Oddly enough, ye have a great chance against KK as they are in fair decline and Cork are a bit better than they may realise. (LK only took control against the 14 men in the closing stages remember). Cork have the tradition and Horgan's availability is a bonus but they must believe. Beat KK and you have a decent chance v. the Dubs. Who knows, it could be a Galway / Cork final!! Actually, I'd back Cork to reach the final sooner than a totally off-form Galway at present.

As for the footballers, our win over Armagh has given the team a great morale and confidence boost but it's hard to see them matching the physical power of Cork, Counihan not withstanding.

Horse84

I really don't think we've any chance at all against Kilkenny. Too many question marks over key positions. Good players like lehane not on form, a weak enough bench and injuries won't be enough against a kk team that's been prematurely written off and answered questions when asked of it this year.
Forget about tradition come Sunday I'm afraid.