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Male circumcision...mutilation?

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    #32
    cesc77
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    number10a wrote: »
    I had it done when I was 8 too for medical reasons!! We should set up a club!! :pac:


    The scalped heads society.Im in.

    pulls back........:pac: Yeah,Im in


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    #33
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Anything that reduces sensitivity is not good.
    When your nails get cut too far back or break the skin beneath is very sensitive, imagine not being to be able to feel that sort of sensation in other areas.

    I don't know how wiminz can get boob jobs that involve cutting nerves to the nipple.

    And female gential mutulation is barbaric and has nothing to do with religion.


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    #34
    unbeat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭unbeat


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Uncircumcised kids run the risk of developing badly smelling knob cheese & never getting the ride.

    That's an undisputed medical fact.

    if youre the kind of person who wipes your ass or showers then this wont ever happen. chopee's run the risk of getting stuff in their jap eye.

    look, a blade and a penis should never be combined it can only end in tears.


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    #35
    cesc77
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Anything that reduces sensitivity is not good.

    Disagree.Sex tends to last longer.:)

    Jealous Capt Mid


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    #36
    cesc77
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    unbeat wrote: »
    if youre the kind of person who wipes your ass or showers then this wont ever happen. chopee's run the risk of getting stuff in their jap eye.

    look, a blade and a penis should never be combined it can only end in tears.


    ?????

    chopees?????

    education,education,education


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    #37
    digme
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Uncircumcised kids run the risk of developing badly smelling knob cheese & never getting the ride.

    That's an undisputed medical fact.
    if you're a jew it is a fact, sorry you got your dick mutilated


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    #38
    Chuck Stone
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    digme wrote: »
    if you're a jew it is a fact, sorry you got your dick mutilated

    Muslims too.


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    #39
    Capt'n Midnight
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    cesc77 wrote: »
    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Anything that reduces sensitivity is not good.

    Disagree.Sex tends to last longer.:)

    Jealous Capt Mid
    But is it as much fun ?

    also it's easier to desensitivise


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    #40
    ScumLord
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    cesc77 wrote: »
    Ever worn a turtle neck sweater tha..
    No.


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    #41
    Wibbs
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    It seems the god of the Jews and Muslms is a Microsoft god. He requires updates because of his bad design out of the box...

    Adult actual medical reason? Cool. Even adult fetish/fashion/personal need? Cool, if odd. Chopping off of newborns flesh? Daft, backward and retarded. The first two involve choice, the last does not. Choice is the thing. One can get sidetracked and bogged down by the comparisons to female genital mutilation, but one thing is most certainly common between them. Removal of choice. Actually other things are common between them; religious duty(daft right there), "my father/mother had it done", it's "cleaner", it reduces sexual tension, it's more attractive to future partners, "ah sure nothing of import is removed". read up on FGM and though a greater insult to the person the justifications are remarkably similar. Which should tell you all you need to know.

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    #42
    digme
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    It seems the god of the Jews and Muslms is a Microsoft god. He requires updates because of his bad design out of the box...

    Adult actual medical reason? Cool. Even adult fetish/fashion/personal need? Cool, if odd. Chopping off of newborns flesh? Daft, backward and retarded. The first two involve choice, the last does not. Choice is the thing. One can get sidetracked and bogged down by the comparisons to female genital mutilation, but one thing is most certainly common between them. Removal of choice. Actually other things are common between them; religious duty(daft right there), "my father/mother had it done", it's "cleaner", it reduces sexual tension, it's more attractive to future partners, "ah sure nothing of import is removed". read up on FGM and though a greater insult to the person the justifications are remarkably similar. Which should tell you all you need to know.
    they're fanatical lunatics,they should held responsible for child abuse.


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    #43
    swordofislam
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    Two benefits less long term dribble risk (light trousers are safer).
    Can't get it caught in my zip.

    It should now be possible to quantify the impact of circumcision on sexual pleasure. Get 2 couples to **** in an MRI and track the pleasure centres of the brain lighting up in each of the male partners.


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    #44
    Agonist
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    What's a little snip to a baby is the loss of an extraordinary amount of flesh when he becomes a man. Someone can look up the square inches of foreskin for me - I'm on a mobile.

    In short, it's barbaric.


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    #45
    swordofislam
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    It seems the god of the Jews and Muslms is a Microsoft god. He requires updates because of his bad design out of the box...
    Ubuntu downloads updates every bloody time I turn on my computer! If the God of the Muslims is Microsoft Windows the God of the Christians is BeOS!!!


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    #46
    unbeat
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    cesc77 wrote: »
    ?????

    chopees?????

    education,education,education

    well dont take it out on me. it was the doctor what did it. innit.


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    #47
    Agonist
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    http://www.circumstitions.com/Notjustaflap.html

    I looked it up and it's 15 square inches. That's a lot of nerve endings and a lot of lovely slipping and sliding during sex and masturbation.


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    #48
    pragmatic1
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    Had it done when I was 8 for medical reasons and it stung like hell after. I cant imagine how painful it must be for a baby, who cant get anesthetic and whos nervous system is super sensitive.


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    #49
    Dudess
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    im invisible wrote: »
    harmless ritual, IMO
    For a baby?
    nowhere near as bad as female genetal mutalation anyway
    So what?


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    #50
    CrazyRabbit
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    You know the pro-circumcision lobby is getting desperate when they start quoting studies showing a decreased chance of HIV infection for circumcised males. Pftt...as if that was important in any way. Even if it reduced the risk by 50%, it still doesn't change the need for safe sex in any way.

    If an adult wishes it, then that's their choice. A baby/child cannot consent, so it should not be allowed. Of course, if there is a medical need...


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    #51
    Dangerous Man
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    Unless it's done for genuine medical reasons it's assault and those that do it / accommodate it should be arrested and charged.


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    #52
    kraggy
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    It's not just a religious thing:

    The US - from Wiki:


    United States

    Statistics from different sources give widely varying estimates of infant circumcision rates in the United States.

    In 2005, about 56 percent of male newborns were circumcised prior to release from the hospital according to statistics from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.[13]

    Data from a national survey conducted from 1999 to 2002 found that the overall prevalence of male circumcision in the United States was 79%.[14] 91% of men born in the 1970s, and 83% of boys born in the 1980s were circumcised.[14] An earlier survey, conducted in 1992, found a circumcision prevalence of 77% in US-born men, born from 1932–1974, including 81% of non-Hispanic White men, 65% of Black men, and 54% of Hispanic men, vs. 42% of non U.S. born men who were circumcised.[15]

    A recent study, which used data from the Nationwide Inpatient Sample (a sample of 5–7 million of the nation's total inpatient stays, and representing a 20% sample taken from 8 states in 1988 and 28 in 2000), stated that neonatal circumcisions rose from 48.3% of males in 1988 to 61.1% in 1997.[16]


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    #53
    bnt
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    swordofislam wrote: »
    Ubuntu downloads updates every bloody time I turn on my computer! If the God of the Muslims is Microsoft Windows the God of the Christians is BeOS!!!
    Yeah - because Ubuntu is made by people, and doesn't claim to be perfect. :cool:

    Anyway: don't mention circumcision to Russell Crowe. Ever. Quote:
    Circumcision is barbaric and stupid. Who are you to correct nature?
    Is it real that God requires a donation of foreskin? Babies are perfect.

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



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    #54
    JohnMarston
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    Any 'tightness' can be treated medically. Im sure in serious cases it can only be treated surgically, but it should only be a last resort


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    #55
    wild_cat
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Uncircumcised kids run the risk of developing badly smelling knob cheese & never getting the ride.

    That's an undisputed medical fact.

    Nope, you've just been scoring manky men.


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    #56
    sensibleken
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    It does make healing genital piercings easier, ill say that for it


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    #57
    Caraville
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    kraggy wrote: »
    It's not just a religious thing:

    Yeah I was under the impression that it was more the norm in the States. In one episode of "Sex and the City" (and ok, I know it's only tv, and not exactly intellectual tv either, but still) Charlotte ends up with this guy who wasn't circumcised and she and all the other girls (cos they share EVERYTHING, don'tcha know) were disgusted. Definitely made it sound like it was unusual NOT to be circumcised- and they all agreed they would have their sons snipped shortly after birth.

    Now I dunno whether that's the usual reaction in the States or just something put in that show for comic effect or something, but it's definitely different to here.

    One of my best friends is circumcised and my ex is circumcised, and both of those were for medical reasons and they had it done in their late teens/early 20s as far as I remember. According to my ex, he used to be in complete agony before he had it done so there's definitely a place for it. As long as lads are hygenic though, I don't see any reason for it beyond a medical one. I definitely don't understand why it's seen as ok to do it to boys and it's greeted with disgust to do similar to baby girls.


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    #58
    JohnMarston
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    Caraville wrote: »
    Yeah I was under the impression that it was more the norm in the States. In one episode of "Sex and the City" (and ok, I know it's only tv, and not exactly intellectual tv either, but still) Charlotte ends up with this guy who wasn't circumcised and she and all the other girls (cos they share EVERYTHING, don'tcha know) were disgusted. Definitely made it sound like it was unusual NOT to be circumcised- and they all agreed they would have their sons snipped shortly after birth.

    I reckon it has a lot to do with the people who produce those shows being circumcised too.


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    #59
    sensibleken
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    Caraville wrote: »
    Yeah I was under the impression that it was more the norm in the States. In one episode of "Sex and the City" (and ok, I know it's only tv, and not exactly intellectual tv either, but still) Charlotte ends up with this guy who wasn't circumcised and she and all the other girls (cos they share EVERYTHING, don'tcha know) were disgusted. Definitely made it sound like it was unusual NOT to be circumcised- and they all agreed they would have their sons snipped shortly after birth.

    Now I dunno whether that's the usual reaction in the States or just something put in that show for comic effect or something, but it's definitely different to here.

    One of my best friends is circumcised and my ex is circumcised, and both of those were for medical reasons and they had it done in their late teens/early 20s as far as I remember. According to my ex, he used to be in complete agony before he had it done so there's definitely a place for it. As long as lads are hygenic though, I don't see any reason for it beyond a medical one. I definitely don't understand why it's seen as ok to do it to boys and it's greeted with disgust to do similar to baby girls.

    I lived with an American who couldnt believe that it wasnt the norm here to be circumcised. He said he knew one guy who wasnt and was just slagged after gym class every week (I pointed out that they were the ones overly interested in another mans junk)

    Does anyone who has it done actually think of it as abuse?


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    Caraville
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    JohnMarston wrote: »
    I reckon it has a lot to do with the people who produce those shows being circumcised too.

    Yeah I suspect that too.


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    #61
    KungPao
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    sensibleken wrote: »
    I lived with an American who couldnt believe that it wasnt the norm here to be circumcised. He said he knew one guy who wasnt and was just slagged after gym class every week (I pointed out that they were the ones overly interested in another mans junk)

    And I can't believe that a "Christian" country is so influenced by such a tiny Jewish minority.


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