Emigration - How f**cked are we

alcomoholic

Ive literally seen five of my mates that ive known since i was a young fella emigrate this past week, merely a few weeks after finishing up their degrees.

im sure this situation is being repeated across the country.

if this is the case, our best and brightest leaving, all thats going to be left behind is an ageing population who are expected to pay the bankers debts.

how f**cked are we really?!!!!!??

tallaghtmick

alcomoholic wrote: »

Ive literally seen five of my mates that ive known since i was a young fella emigrate this past week,

a tad lonely???

Biggins

How screwed are we?
It depends on how many that go away - will actually eventually return.
One aspect, the more that stays away, the higher the nation grows in greater ratio of old.
China currently faces this problem and they have recognised that while in the immediate run less children/young people is a good thing - in the long run, its a recipe for economic disaster.

Haelium

You're absolutely ****ed royally. not me though... I'm moving.

Try voting Fianna Fail back in after losing faith with Fine Gael, that's sure to work.

Shenshen

I never understood all this hype... most people who leave now do so with a view of coming back once the economy has recovered and there are jobs again.

Shouldn't we be happy that people leave to find work rather than sit around on the dole?

phasers

Sure don't we have a baby boom at the moment? Nearly every woman I know is either pregnant of has a child under four.

We'll be grand in about 23 years.

Biggins

phasers wrote: »

...Nearly every woman I know is either pregnant of has a child under four.

Just how well exactly, have you gotten to know these women beforehand?
Your Giggs aren't you! :pac:

cherryghost

The more people that leave, the less people I have to compete with for a position. Better for me in the short term, probably a stab in the heart of our economy in the long run

kfallon

alcomoholic wrote: »

Ive literally seen five of my mates that ive known since i was a young fella emigrate this past week

As opposed to metaphorically seen them?

Haelium

phasers wrote: »

We'll make the same mistakes again and have a new recession in 25 years.

FYP

orourkeda

cherryghost wrote: »

The more people that leave, the less people I have to compete with for a position. Better for me in the short term, probably a stab in the heart of our economy in the long run

Once youre ok.

Thats the important thing.

phasers

Biggins wrote: »

Just how well exactly, have you gotten to know these women beforehand?
Your Giggs aren't you! :pac:

You'll be hearing from my solicitor!

tayto lover

yes indeed. It seems to be better to glorify failed politicians than be sad about the emigration of our youth. The people of this country just seem to love being conned.

Biggins

phasers wrote: »

You'll be hearing from my solicitor!

Bring it on Big Boy! :pac:

Liquid_i_p

ah we're not that bad considering. no war or famine or nuclear plants blowing up. so we dont get the audi or have to work a bit longer, not entirely fked.
things could be alot worse, we're used to our european luxury.:D

Killer Wench

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

Liquid_i_p

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

yeah but opportunites are need to succeed.
opportunities can be made, but the climate dicates how easy it will be to make one.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

Probably don't want their tax to be used to clean up the mess from the banks+retired politicians whilst the roads and other services crumble.

Killer Wench

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

D-Generate

I'm coming back next weekend to start a job in Dublin. Have been working in London for two years and I am doing a brain drain from there considering I went to uni in London. Also fear not Ireland, I am easily more intelligent than the combined intelligence of his five friends that left so it will more than balance out.

20260622

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

Bacause we can't get a job to pay to live? :rolleyes:

pragmatic1

Out of a group of about twenty lads, only three of my mates are living in Ireland at this stage. Most are living in Australia or Britain, but whats worrying is that the ones in Britain said its getting bad over there and they'll have to move back soon. The whole EU is in big trouble and so is the US.

pragmatic1

Killer Wench wrote: »

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

It wont be improving in ten years. We're in very serious trouble as a nation. On a sidenote, IT, pharmaceuticals and the environmental sector are doing very well, so at least we're retaining people from those areas.

jimthemental

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It wont be improving in ten years. We're in very serious trouble as a nation. On a sidenote, IT, pharmaceuticals and the environmental sector are doing very well, so at least we're retaining people from those areas.

I don't have enough experience to get pharma work and I'm paid too little to emigrate quickly. Have to sell off my guitars and car to afford going. If I do what killer wench says I may aswell just sit on my arse here for a few more years

Killer Wench

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

What are you smoking? How do you expect a 22-year-old graduate to change the system? I left because I was about to be made redundant and there was f**k all work in Ireland. Within a year, it went from employment agencies falling over themselves to hire you to being told there was nothing available. So why would I hang around in Ireland to end up on the dole and living with my parents? I have a student loan to pay off and I want to live my life as an adult instead of sitting in my parents' house all day while they're at work. Since I left, I've built up a good amount of experience in 4 different countries, have an interesting, if low-paid job and am living in a decent flat with billions of free activities and events on my doorstep. Wouldn't go back if you paid me.

cml387

You could go to Australia. No, wait..

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/the-year-the-great-australian-dream-could-become-a-reality-for-battling-aussies/story-e6frfmd0-1225992260530

Sound familiar.Bargains to be had. Now is the time.

Nolanger

pragmatic1 wrote: »

but whats worrying is that the ones in Britain said its getting bad over there and they'll have to move back soon.

Send them to S Korea.

pragmatic1

cml387 wrote: »

You could go to Australia. No, wait..

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/the-year-the-great-australian-dream-could-become-a-reality-for-battling-aussies/story-e6frfmd0-1225992260530

Sound familiar.Bargains to be had. Now is the time.

Oh dear.

opinion guy

Killer Wench wrote: »

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

Yup you are wrong....oh and stop listening to the voices in your head...

Scarinae

Killer Wench wrote: »

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

That's overly simplistic. I am living in London, my original intention wasn't to emigrate but rather to study abroad and come back to Ireland... There isn't really any point in me doing that right now though, so I've stayed here. I've just had to pick between two job offers - if I was in Ireland, I would probably be living with my parents and working in retail (if I could even get a retail job, that is) Why would I go back? And if I did, what could I possibly do about the whole situation?

ejmaztec

kfallon wrote: »

As opposed to metaphorically seen them?

They could have been his imaginary friends.

FISMA

Shenshen wrote: »

I never understood all this hype... most people who leave now do so with a view of coming back once the economy has recovered and there are jobs again.

Shouldn't we be happy that people leave to find work rather than sit around on the dole?

No you shouldn't it is called brain drain for a reason.

Australia, the US, Canada, and all will be quite selective in their choice. They'll take the best.

The best do return in time, often for retirement.

Shenshen

FISMA wrote: »

No you shouldn't it is called brain drain for a reason.

Australia, the US, Canada, and all will be quite selective in their choice. They'll take the best.

The best do return in time, often for retirement.

I left Germany 8 years ago after having completed university. I had worked for 2 years, lost my job and left behind a country with 15% unemployment.

I've never been out of work here, lucky enough to work in one of the sectors still going strong (IT). I could return to Germany now, and would find it fairly easy to find work again.
Had I stayed, I would have looked at several years on the dole. And how many companies would now be keen on employing a middle-aged professional who hasn't worked in her fields for 5 years or more?

Good thing you're still here to remind people of where all the brains went...

seven-iron

I probably wont be coming back for ten years or so.

FISMA

Shenshen wrote: »

Good thing you're still here to remind people of where all the brains went...

It is 14:05 where I am, what time is it where you are?

Amhran Nua

cml387 wrote: »

You could go to Australia. No, wait..

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/the-year-the-great-australian-dream-could-become-a-reality-for-battling-aussies/story-e6frfmd0-1225992260530

Sound familiar.Bargains to be had. Now is the time.

Yup, Australia is the next domino to fall. I give them two years at the outside.

Shenshen

FISMA wrote: »

It is 14:05 where I am, what time is it where you are?

Congrats on mastering reading clocks.

fat__tony

Shenshen wrote: »

I never understood all this hype... most people who leave now do so with a view of coming back once the economy has recovered and there are jobs again.

Shouldn't we be happy that people leave to find work rather than sit around on the dole?

Around 70-80% Irish people don't return though.

I saw this stat somewhere in the past few weeks, can't remember.

TelePaul

This may well be an unpopular take on things here, but to be honest, this is a different type of emigration to that experienced in the 1980s. It's the young, college-educated middle-classes leaving as opposed to the working class tradesmen. Honestly, I don't know anyone who has moved to Australia because they couldn't support themselves or their family here. I've known a lot of people leaving white-collar jobs to lounge on the beach in Australia. There also seems to be a large proportion of people who wouldn't dream of applying for unskilled positions here but who are more than happy to paint fences and pull pints in Oz. Fair enough, if that's what you wanna do that's fine, but don't attribute it to our crippled economy. Genuinely, I believe a large number of young grads are scared more by the notion of having to work a forty hour week than they are by economic recession.

Biggins

TelePaul wrote: »

...Genuinely, I believe a large number of young grads are scared more by the notion of having to work a forty hour week than they are by economic recession.

I think your totally way off the mark and your tainting a lot of students in the wrong light.
SOME might be work shy - but no more than others who have not attended 3rd level.
I totally disagree with you.

fat__tony

TelePaul wrote: »

This may well be an unpopular take on things here, but to be honest, this is a different type of emigration to that experienced in the 1980s. It's the young, college-educated middle-classes leaving as opposed to the working class tradesmen. Honestly, I don't know anyone who has moved to Australia because they couldn't support themselves or their family here. I've known a lot of people leaving white-collar jobs to lounge on the beach in Australia. There also seems to be a large proportion of people who wouldn't dream of applying for unskilled positions here but who are more than happy to paint fences and pull pints in Oz. Fair enough, if that's what you wanna do that's fine, but don't attribute it to our crippled economy. Genuinely, I believe a large number of young grads are scared more by the notion of having to work a forty hour week than they are by economic recession.

Utter nonsense.

I know plenty of grads at home who'd give their right arm for a permanent 40 hr position.

Enough with the bull****.

DonkeyStyle \o/

I think we should completely evacuate Ireland until the crisis has been resolved.
Leave Enda Kenny here alone to come up with a cure, like in "I am Legend".

Shenshen

Biggins wrote: »

I think your totally way off the mark and your tainting a lot of students in the wrong light.
SOME might be work shy - but no more than others who have not attended 3rd level.
I totally disagree with you.

I think there's a little difference between going traveling after college/university, even extended travel, and actual emigrating.
Most people I work with spent several years abroad, doing things like working in pubs, working as cleaners or builders or any other kind of untrained jobs. They always meant to return, so the kind of work they did didn't matter that much.

So there is no actual recession here? All these wasters leaving should role up their sleeves, apply for a job and get stuck in rather then emmigrating...... all these 3rd level graduates should pick from the range of jobs available and do the 40 hours........... an none of the unemployed married tradesmen with families up to the arse in mortgage debt with no cash are not leaving because ............


In all fairness there is some retarded sh1t on boards but some of the numpties posting on this thread must be living in a parellel universe or something. Wake the f up.

D1stant

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

I think we should completely evacuate Ireland until the crisis has been resolved.
Leave Enda Kenny here alone to come up with a cure, like in "I am Legend".

Not quite alone. He will have the zombie bankers for company

TelePaul

TelePaul wrote: »

This may well be an unpopular take on things here, but to be honest, this is a different type of emigration to that experienced in the 1980s. It's the young, college-educated middle-classes leaving as opposed to the working class tradesmen. Honestly, I don't know anyone who has moved to Australia because they couldn't support themselves or their family here. I've known a lot of people leaving white-collar jobs to lounge on the beach in Australia. There also seems to be a large proportion of people who wouldn't dream of applying for unskilled positions here but who are more than happy to paint fences and pull pints in Oz. Fair enough, if that's what you wanna do that's fine, but don't attribute it to our crippled economy. Genuinely, I believe a large number of young grads are scared more by the notion of having to work a forty hour week than they are by economic recession.

That's complete drivel with no basis whatsoever. I applied for over 500 positions in Dublin, London and elsewhere in the EU after I finished my Masters last year and got exactly three replies for low paid teaching work. I have a good degree and good work experience/references. A lot of the friends I went to college with are doing unskilled work (nursing home care assistant, waitress etc). Where exactly are all these 40 hour a week white collar jobs in Ireland? I do know plenty of people pulling pints in Australia but only because they figure it's better to do it there than here. I'm living in London now but if I want a decent job in my area, I'm going to have to emigrate further afield. Suggesting that a large number of grads would rather pick fruit for pennies than have a well paying job at home is pretty insulting tbh.

cml387

Above all the noise in this thread,the one thing that stands out is "Here we go again".
My father left Ireland in the 50's because the building industry in Dublin tanked.
I was lucky to be able to stay in Ireland (but paid 65% tax for the privilege) during the 80's when we waved goodbye from the airport to another lost generation.
And it's happening all over again.

Ireland is the old sow that eats her farrow.

ilovesleep

Haelium wrote: »

You're absolutely ****ed royally. not me though... I'm moving.

Try voting Fianna Fail back in after losing faith with Fine Gael, that's sure to work.

Dont you dare ever vote Fianna ******s ever again

tayto lover

cml387 wrote: »

Above all the noise in this thread,the one thing that stands out is "Here we go again".
My father left Ireland in the 50's because the building industry in Dublin tanked.
I was lucky to be able to stay in Ireland (but paid 65% tax for the privilege) during the 80's when we waved goodbye from the airport to another lost generation.
And it's happening all over again.

Ireland is the old sow that eats her farrow.

Exactly. How many parents bade farewell to their children not knowing if they would ever see them again ? There is far more to this problem than work with people homesick and scared far away from home and parents at home awake at night really missing their loved ones. My mother said goodbye to 6 of her 7 children in the 1950's and 1960's and 3 of them died abroad. Its heart-breaking for families and all because of the greed of Politicians, Bankers and Speculators. Yet the poor have to suffer for the sins of the rich.
We have no balls in this country to stand up and chase these criminals out instead of our young.

TelePaul

I seem to have offended quite a few people in my last post. I can completely appreciate just how frustrating it is to be qualified and out of work, but I don't believe for one second that this the position that everyone finds themselves in. Granted, any evidence I can allude to is purely anecdotal and based on observations of my immediate peer group, though it seems that any criticisms of this viewpoint are equally baseless, so swings and roundabouts. That said, you can't argue with the absurdity of people leaving relatively stable, well-paid jobs for a bit of fun down under - or rather, it shouldn't be confused with a genuine need to emigrate. That's all I've highlighted based on observations of real people, you can from it what you want.

beano345

tayto lover wrote: »

Exactly. How many parents bade farewell to their children not knowing if they would ever see them again ? There is far more to this problem than work with people homesick and scared far away from home and parents at home awake at night really missing their loved ones. My mother said goodbye to 6 of her 7 children in the 1950's and 1960's and 3 of them died abroad. Its heart-breaking for families and all because of the greed of Politicians, Bankers and Speculators. Yet the poor have to suffer for the sins of the rich.
We have no balls in this country to stand up and chase these criminals out instead of our young.

could'nt agree more im emigrating in the next few months and what breaks my heart is leaving my family behind.my mother and father are at an age were things can happen and i don't know if its the last time i'll be seeing either of them when i step on the plane but i don't really have much choice jobs are scarce here and i don't know if i'll be back to ireland to live in the future.gonna miss my dog to bits aswell:mad: