Emigration - How f**cked are we

alcomoholic · 12-06-2011 03:55PM #1

Ive literally seen five of my mates that ive known since i was a young fella emigrate this past week, merely a few weeks after finishing up their degrees.

im sure this situation is being repeated across the country.

if this is the case, our best and brightest leaving, all thats going to be left behind is an ageing population who are expected to pay the bankers debts.

how f**cked are we really?!!!!!??

tallaghtmick · 12-06-2011 03:58PM

alcomoholic wrote: »

Ive literally seen five of my mates that ive known since i was a young fella emigrate this past week,

a tad lonely???

Biggins · 12-06-2011 03:59PM

How screwed are we?
It depends on how many that go away - will actually eventually return.
One aspect, the more that stays away, the higher the nation grows in greater ratio of old.
China currently faces this problem and they have recognised that while in the immediate run less children/young people is a good thing - in the long run, its a recipe for economic disaster.

Haelium · 12-06-2011 04:00PM

You're absolutely ****ed royally. not me though... I'm moving.

Try voting Fianna Fail back in after losing faith with Fine Gael, that's sure to work.

Shenshen · 12-06-2011 04:00PM

I never understood all this hype... most people who leave now do so with a view of coming back once the economy has recovered and there are jobs again.

Shouldn't we be happy that people leave to find work rather than sit around on the dole?

phasers · 12-06-2011 04:01PM

Sure don't we have a baby boom at the moment? Nearly every woman I know is either pregnant of has a child under four.

We'll be grand in about 23 years.

Biggins · 12-06-2011 04:02PM

phasers wrote: »

...Nearly every woman I know is either pregnant of has a child under four.

Just how well exactly, have you gotten to know these women beforehand?
Your Giggs aren't you! :pac:

cherryghost · 12-06-2011 04:02PM

The more people that leave, the less people I have to compete with for a position. Better for me in the short term, probably a stab in the heart of our economy in the long run

kfallon · 12-06-2011 04:02PM

alcomoholic wrote: »

Ive literally seen five of my mates that ive known since i was a young fella emigrate this past week

As opposed to metaphorically seen them?

Haelium · 12-06-2011 04:03PM

phasers wrote: »

We'll make the same mistakes again and have a new recession in 25 years.

FYP

orourkeda · 12-06-2011 04:04PM

cherryghost wrote: »

The more people that leave, the less people I have to compete with for a position. Better for me in the short term, probably a stab in the heart of our economy in the long run

Once youre ok.

Thats the important thing.

phasers · 12-06-2011 04:04PM

Biggins wrote: »

Just how well exactly, have you gotten to know these women beforehand?
Your Giggs aren't you! :pac:

You'll be hearing from my solicitor!

tayto lover · 12-06-2011 04:04PM

yes indeed. It seems to be better to glorify failed politicians than be sad about the emigration of our youth. The people of this country just seem to love being conned.

Biggins · 12-06-2011 04:05PM

phasers wrote: »

You'll be hearing from my solicitor!

Bring it on Big Boy! :pac:

Liquid_i_p · 12-06-2011 04:06PM

ah we're not that bad considering. no war or famine or nuclear plants blowing up. so we dont get the audi or have to work a bit longer, not entirely fked.
things could be alot worse, we're used to our european luxury.:D

Killer Wench · 12-06-2011 04:14PM

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

Liquid_i_p · 12-06-2011 04:17PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

yeah but opportunites are need to succeed.
opportunities can be made, but the climate dicates how easy it will be to make one.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 12-06-2011 04:20PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

Probably don't want their tax to be used to clean up the mess from the banks+retired politicians whilst the roads and other services crumble.

Killer Wench · 12-06-2011 04:30PM

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

D-Generate · 12-06-2011 04:31PM

I'm coming back next weekend to start a job in Dublin. Have been working in London for two years and I am doing a brain drain from there considering I went to uni in London. Also fear not Ireland, I am easily more intelligent than the combined intelligence of his five friends that left so it will more than balance out.

12-06-2011 05:27PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

Bacause we can't get a job to pay to live? :rolleyes:

pragmatic1 · 12-06-2011 05:33PM

Out of a group of about twenty lads, only three of my mates are living in Ireland at this stage. Most are living in Australia or Britain, but whats worrying is that the ones in Britain said its getting bad over there and they'll have to move back soon. The whole EU is in big trouble and so is the US.

pragmatic1 · 12-06-2011 05:37PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

It wont be improving in ten years. We're in very serious trouble as a nation. On a sidenote, IT, pharmaceuticals and the environmental sector are doing very well, so at least we're retaining people from those areas.

jimthemental · 12-06-2011 05:49PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It wont be improving in ten years. We're in very serious trouble as a nation. On a sidenote, IT, pharmaceuticals and the environmental sector are doing very well, so at least we're retaining people from those areas.

I don't have enough experience to get pharma work and I'm paid too little to emigrate quickly. Have to sell off my guitars and car to afford going. If I do what killer wench says I may aswell just sit on my arse here for a few more years

12-06-2011 06:10PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Pardon me because I know this may be a naive question, but why do people leave instead of staying and working to change the climate and system? Is it easier to just quit and leave rather than try and possibly fail or succeed?

What are you smoking? How do you expect a 22-year-old graduate to change the system? I left because I was about to be made redundant and there was f**k all work in Ireland. Within a year, it went from employment agencies falling over themselves to hire you to being told there was nothing available. So why would I hang around in Ireland to end up on the dole and living with my parents? I have a student loan to pay off and I want to live my life as an adult instead of sitting in my parents' house all day while they're at work. Since I left, I've built up a good amount of experience in 4 different countries, have an interesting, if low-paid job and am living in a decent flat with billions of free activities and events on my doorstep. Wouldn't go back if you paid me.

cml387 · 12-06-2011 06:15PM

You could go to Australia. No, wait..

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/the-year-the-great-australian-dream-could-become-a-reality-for-battling-aussies/story-e6frfmd0-1225992260530

Sound familiar.Bargains to be had. Now is the time.

Nolanger · 12-06-2011 06:22PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

but whats worrying is that the ones in Britain said its getting bad over there and they'll have to move back soon.

Send them to S Korea.

pragmatic1 · 12-06-2011 06:23PM

cml387 wrote: »

You could go to Australia. No, wait..

http://www.news.com.au/money/property/the-year-the-great-australian-dream-could-become-a-reality-for-battling-aussies/story-e6frfmd0-1225992260530

Sound familiar.Bargains to be had. Now is the time.

Oh dear.

opinion guy · 12-06-2011 06:25PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

Yup you are wrong....oh and stop listening to the voices in your head...

Scarinae · 12-06-2011 06:32PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

But doesn't the mess have to be cleaned up?

In my mind, I envision those who have the education, professional experience, and/or resources to make change are leaving this mess for those without the same resources to clean up, and then years down the road when things improve, those who left will come back and reap the benefits. I may be wrong but that's what's bouncing around in my head.

That's overly simplistic. I am living in London, my original intention wasn't to emigrate but rather to study abroad and come back to Ireland... There isn't really any point in me doing that right now though, so I've stayed here. I've just had to pick between two job offers - if I was in Ireland, I would probably be living with my parents and working in retail (if I could even get a retail job, that is) Why would I go back? And if I did, what could I possibly do about the whole situation?

ejmaztec · 12-06-2011 06:39PM

kfallon wrote: »

As opposed to metaphorically seen them?

They could have been his imaginary friends.

Emigration - How f**cked are we

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