Frank Murphy's retirement in 2011

overmantle

It was announced in 2009 that Frank Murphy would be retiring in 2011 as secretary of Cork Co. Board. I'm just wondering if there are any details on the forthcoming retirement?

Has the position been advertised?
Will they wait until after Frank retires before advertising for his successor?
Who will be in charge of the advertising?
Who will be on the interview panel?

I am genuinely very interested in this, (not for myself), especially as we are in a time of massive unemployment and there are so many bright, well-educated people, seeking work. I look forward to hearing details. Thank you.

Orizio

Christy Cooney is supposed to be the favourite for the job - Cork GAA doesn't do 'bright' and 'well-educated' at its highest echelons. However, there is a second job available as well, a 'commercial director'...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/michael-moynihan/a-tough-task-in-store-to-lift-the-gloom-on-leeside-156253.html#ixzz1Nq6NPzJ7

rebel girl 15

Rumours are that Donal O Grady is being lined up for the job, or maybe Christy Cooney after he retires, but I don't think either of them.

It will come from one of the current CB crop, I cannot see anyone from outside the current system come in. Ger Lane and Marc Sheehan would be two candidates I think.

they will have an idea of the person they want before they advertise any such thing - top GAA officials from Croke Park will be on the interview panel

ballbag05

Heard that alright about o Grady, but Ger Lane could be a dark horse followed by Tracy Kennedy, current east cork board sec.

overmantle

Thank you to all for these comments and information. I feel it should obviously be somebody who has strong involvement with Cork GAA, yet one who would not be seen as being linked with the current set up.

I'm just wondering now has a specific date been set for the retirement or is it still a vague, '2011'?

rebel girl 15

I presume its the time of the county convention, October sometime?

ondeball

What other role has Frank Murphy lined up for himself then?

Surely he'll create a role for a 'Director of Hurling and Football' for himself before he leaves.

rebel girl 15

ondeball wrote: »

What other role has Frank Murphy lined up for himself then?

Surely he'll create a role for a 'Director of Hurling and Football' for himself before he leaves.

Not a hope, there would be mutiny!!

SeaFields

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Not a hope, there would be mutiny!!

Not at all....they said that before and he still hung on.:(


O'Grady would be a good man for the job.

rebel girl 15

SeaFields wrote: »

Not at all....they said that before and he still hung on.:(


O'Grady would be a good man for the job.

O Grady would be wasted as an administrator, which is what the secretary is in all essence - O Grady should be appointed a director of hurling asap! As well as that, O Grady would be seen as anti CB tbh

ShamoBuc

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

O Grady would be wasted as an administrator, which is what the secretary is in all essence - O Grady should be appointed a director of hurling asap! As well as that, O Grady would be seen as anti CB tbh

He sure would. The lasst thing you would say about him is that he was a Yes man.... whereas Walsh.....meh!

who the fug

12 year old who the fug called for his head, 42 year old who the fug is still calling for his head.

I reckon 52 year old who the fug will still be calling for his head

ShamoBuc

who the fug wrote: »

12 year old who the fug called for his head, 42 year old who the fug is still calling for his head.

I reckon 52 year old who the fug will still be calling for his head

very true, but as we know the only person who knows when he will relinquish his power is himself.:mad:

slingerz

Tracey Kennedy or Ger Lane are my tips for the post. Both very able people

rebel girl 15

slingerz wrote: »

Tracey Kennedy or Ger Lane are my tips for the post. Both very able people

Ger Lane tbh, wasn't it only last year Kennedy took up her post in East Cork? Wouldn't have enough county experience in comparision to Ger Lane, another person being spoken about is Marc Sheehan

Orizio

If it won't be Cooney, then it will be Lane. Kennedy and Sheehan are under 50 and are thus ineligible. O'Grady wouldn't go near the job.

rebel girl 15

Orizio wrote: »

If it won't be Cooney, then it will be Lane. Kennedy and Sheehan are under 50 and are thus ineligible. O'Grady wouldn't go near the job.

Where did you find the over 50 rule?

who the fug

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Where did you find the over 50 rule?

Up Frank Murphy sleeve

Blue Magic

Ger Lane wouldn't be too bad at all! He's doing a great job as PRO and the website and monthly journal are a credit to him. Don't really know whether he's a "Yes man" compared to Comical Bob Ryan and the other musical chair merchants under Frank

Gophur

Not before time. Frank has done too much harm.

overmantle

Gophur wrote: »

Not before time. Frank has done too much harm.

It will be interesting to see what the future will reveal (post frank).

Blue Magic

Frank Murphy retiring in 2011 eh lads??? :rolleyes:

You and I f***ing wish!!!

rebel girl 15

It isn't happening - reason is that he has been involved in the deal with the council negotiating about the sale of land for PuC - another excuse

who the fug

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

It isn't happening - reason is that he has been involved in the deal with the council negotiating about the sale of land for PuC - another excuse

FFS

see post 12



:mad::mad:

rebel girl 15

who the fug wrote: »

FFS

see post 12



:mad::mad:

Yeah, there will always be something - current extension is for a year - below is the piece from the examiner on the 5th Oct

FRANK MURPHY is set to remain in his position as Cork county board secretary until the end of 2012 due to the fact that he is playing a key role in the county’s continued efforts to redevelop their flagship stadium Páirc Uí Chaoimh.
Club delegates at a county board meeting last night were informed that the executive of the county board had approved a request from the three-man committee charged with overseeing the appointment of a new secretary, that Murphy be asked to stay on for a further 12 months.

Murphy accepted that request which was issued by the committee comprised of county board chairman Jerry O’Sullivan, vice-chairman *** Ryan and treasurer Pearse Murphy.

Details surrounding the process to appoint Murphy’s successor were also outlined to the club delegates present last night. A review of all administrative affairs within Cork GAA is set to be undertaken next year and will commence in September 2012.

But the process to headhunt the successor to the long-serving Murphy will begin earlier in the year, most likely in the middle of the summer. The search for candidates will involve the position being advertised both locally and nationally. The new Cork county board secretary will be selected from a committee comprised of a nominee from the GAA’s Central Council, a nominee from the Munster Council and a nominee from the Cork county board.

"We are very happy that Frank has agreed to stay on," stated county board chairman Jerry O’Sullivan. "We felt it was essential that he stay on due to the proposed re-development of the Páirc Uí Chaoimh. He has been involved in that process from the start and it is quite a complicated process. He is a very experienced man and has his finger on the pulse in that regard. So given the amount of work we have still to do on that, we felt it was important to have him stay involved. There is a process laid down now to find his successor and we will work hard at that next year."

pakalasa

Frank Murphy is staying for another year.

olearyj1

Cant believe this news has been taken so low key, i'm currently outside the country so whats the reaction been to this news from cork gaa supporters?

rebel girl 15

olearyj1 wrote: »

Cant believe this news has been taken so low key, i'm currently outside the country so whats the reaction been to this news from cork gaa supporters?

This happened about two and a half weeks ago - thats why its so low key atm!

scifi77

I seem to remember a number of years ago that Frank Murphy made a promise to the people of Cork and the players that he would resign in 2011. People thought that he had so much power that he would never go but when this public statement was made, then it was believed by most that 2011 it was. Then again, this is Frank Murphy we're talking about.

Yes. You've guessed it. We're now almost half way through 2012 and you might think that Frank Murphy's successor is well settled into the position. Well, THINK AGAIN!! Frank is still there and there really is no excuse for this behaviour. DOES A PROMISE MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE??

Excuses about the redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaíomh, time being needed to find a successor or whatever, are just rubbish and merely EXCUSES. This man is 68 years old, he wrote his own contract, nobody knows what he earns. Where is the accountability in all of this? This is 2012, not the 1960s. We're supposed to have opened up. People are castigating the church and members of the clergy for being secretive and not being upfront and honest. All of the clergy have been taken down from their pedestal. If this is the rule of thumb being used, should it not be used for people like Frank also? There is absolutely no openness, no transparency, no accountability. He seems to have surrounded himself with 'YES' men.

Perhaps I'm totally wrong. Perhaps Frank intends resigning quietly next month, without any fuss. Perhaps he wants to go quietly and has stayed on for an extra year for the benefit of us all.

I have one question, 'What is the retirement date of Frank Murphy?' All I know is that he has broken a promise he made in 2009, when he promised he would retire in 2011. The EXCUSE that was given at that time was that it would take until then to find a successor. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

nice_guy80

surely the total for the full time officers' salaries are printed in the yearly accounts?

68Murph68

The phrase "cold dead hands" springs to mind.

Also "you come at the king you, best not miss" - a lot of people probably afraid to do anything to "prompt" Frank along.

If I was working in the Cork Examiner/Echo I'd raise this every month/with various Cork GAA county board people just for the laugh to see the squirming responses.

If I had to guess, I'd say Frank will finally "retire" some time around the first man landing on Mars.

scifi77

68Murph68 wrote: »

The phrase "cold dead hands" springs to mind.

Also "you come at the king you, best not miss" - a lot of people probably afraid to do anything to "prompt" Frank along.

If I was working in the Cork Examiner/Echo I'd raise this every month/with various Cork GAA county board people just for the laugh to see the squirming responses.

If I had to guess, I'd say Frank will finally "retire" some time around the first man landing on Mars.

Some good points there. I agree with the O.P. who mentioned about unemployment and the fact that there must be several wonderful people out there who would be ideally suited to the position. It's pretty insulting to the intelligence of people, having to listen to ludicrous excuses as to why this man is STILL in his position. It reminds me of the story of 'The Emperor's new Clothes'. Everyone was afraid to come out and say what they were thinking until eventually a small child said what he saw and that was the end of the story.

I can't help being reminded of a certain politician who was desperately clinging to his powerful position, despite several heaves against him. He always managed to survive, due to having a number of 'Yes' men around him. When the famous politician was finally ousted, tribunals uncovered so much, that it was obvious why the man had been so desperate to remain in power.

I agree that the newspapers need to start asking questions as to why this man is still in his position? Excuses about waiting to appoint a successor are an absolute insult to our intelligence and a disgrace. The County Board had 3 years to appoint a successor and the process hasn't even started. There has been a suggestion that Frank was 'asked' to stay on until the end of 2012. What will the next excuse be? ....That it might rain some day in the summer of 2013, so Frank will have to remain in his position until 2014??....

If this wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious.

overmantle

When I posted this thread a year ago I never suspected that Frank Murphy would still be in the job in May 2012. Reading some of the more recent contributions to this thread and then looking back at others in 2011, I see how right many of these people were. Reviewing this thread and thinking that there has still been no progress, after all these years, is outrageous. There is something seriously wrong if the man is still in the job. I agree that it's insulting to be listening to half-baked excuses because that is all they are - excuses. In every walk of life - church and state - accountability has come to the fore. Is the GAA in Cork going to be the last place where such accountability is going to arrive? I agree that this is gone beyond a joke and something needs to be done now. :mad:

nice_guy80

there are many people in the GAA employed on a full time basis who should be retired as they are totally out of touch with running a modern business

and dealing with technology and social media

overmantle

overmantle wrote: »

When I posted this thread a year ago I never suspected that Frank Murphy would still be in the job in May 2012. Reading some of the more recent contributions to this thread and then looking back at others in 2011, I see how right many of these people were. Reviewing this thread and thinking that there has still been no progress, after all these years, is outrageous. There is something seriously wrong if the man is still in the job. I agree that it's insulting to be listening to half-baked excuses because that is all they are - excuses. In every walk of life - church and state - accountability has come to the fore. Is the GAA in Cork going to be the last place where such accountability is going to arrive? I agree that this is gone beyond a joke and something needs to be done now. :mad:

Although I suspect I know the answer, are there any developments on this subject? It's June 2012 now and this really is amazing. If this was on the political front, where there now seems to be an increased sense of accountability, then there would be an enquiry as to how this was allowed to happen? There is something peculiar that 3 years after a retirement announcement was made, that the process of finding a replacement hasn't even started. I could offer several suggestions but it seems that it would be a wasted exercise.

Blue Magic

This is the longest overdue retirement party of all time!

zetecescort

give the man a break, just negotiated a sponsorship deal after 12 months notice :rolleyes:

dring

This story actually tells you everything outsiders need to know about Cork GAA, the players strikes, Sean Og, Donal Og, the lackeys, the guys managing the underage teams, the clubs lack of backbone to wrest back some power, etc. and to think this guy is a paid employee of Cork GAA whose position doesn't even come up for election at at the agm.

Orizio

zetecescort wrote: »

give the man a break, just negotiated a sponsorship deal after 12 months notice :rolleyes:

Nah they had a deal set up...but Frank was on holidays so they weren't allowed sign on the dotted line.

Straight Talker

Orizio wrote: »

Nah they had a deal set up...but Frank was on holidays so they weren't allowed sign on the dotted line.

The sponsorship farce,the decline of Cork hurling at all levels,strikes,disharmony and the state of the pairc.All this is Franks legacy to Cork gaa!I think expecting the clubs to pay for the redevelopment of the pairc will hopefully prove to be a battle too far for Frank.

overmantle

zetecescort wrote: »

give the man a break, just negotiated a sponsorship deal after 12 months notice :rolleyes:

If the man gave anybody else a break, this thread wouldn't have started in the first place. He promised faithfully that, given a long (totally unnecessary) lead in of a couple of years, he would eventually be retiring in 2011. It is now 2013. This is beyond ridiculous. Every excuse in the book has been used at this stage by the 'Yes' men who are keeping him there. You say give the man a break? I think HE is the one who FINALLY needs to give somebody else a break!

nice_guy80

overmantle wrote: »

If the man gave anybody else a break, this thread wouldn't have started in the first place. He promised faithfully that, given a long (totally unnecessary) lead in of a couple of years, he would eventually be retiring in 2011. It is now 2013. This is beyond ridiculous. Every excuse in the book has been used at this stage by the 'Yes' men who are keeping him there. You say give the man a break? I think HE is the one who FINALLY needs to give somebody else a break!

I wonder what sort of a pension has he set up for himself??
And if it will cost Cork GAA anything

overmantle

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Yeah, there will always be something - current extension is for a year - below is the piece from the examiner on the 5th Oct

FRANK MURPHY is set to remain in his position as Cork county board secretary until the end of 2012 due to the fact that he is playing a key role in the county’s continued efforts to redevelop their flagship stadium Páirc Uí Chaoimh.
Club delegates at a county board meeting last night were informed that the executive of the county board had approved a request from the three-man committee charged with overseeing the appointment of a new secretary, that Murphy be asked to stay on for a further 12 months.

Murphy accepted that request which was issued by the committee comprised of county board chairman Jerry O’Sullivan, vice-chairman *** Ryan and treasurer Pearse Murphy.

Details surrounding the process to appoint Murphy’s successor were also outlined to the club delegates present last night. A review of all administrative affairs within Cork GAA is set to be undertaken next year and will commence in September 2012.

But the process to headhunt the successor to the long-serving Murphy will begin earlier in the year, most likely in the middle of the summer. The search for candidates will involve the position being advertised both locally and nationally. The new Cork county board secretary will be selected from a committee comprised of a nominee from the GAA’s Central Council, a nominee from the Munster Council and a nominee from the Cork county board.

"We are very happy that Frank has agreed to stay on," stated county board chairman Jerry O’Sullivan. "We felt it was essential that he stay on due to the proposed re-development of the Páirc Uí Chaoimh. He has been involved in that process from the start and it is quite a complicated process. He is a very experienced man and has his finger on the pulse in that regard. So given the amount of work we have still to do on that, we felt it was important to have him stay involved. There is a process laid down now to find his successor and we will work hard at that next year."

Please, please, please credit us with some modicum of intelligence. This article stretched things out to what, at the time, seemed beyond belief, to 2012! Has he retired? No. What year is it now? 2013.

WHY HAS HE STILL NOT RETIRED? No more excuses. It's time for the little boy from 'The Emperor's New Clothes' to stand up and say what so many people are saying in the pubs and clubs of Cork.

ciarriaithuaidh

Couldn't believe when I heard this, but apparently interviews for Franks position are actually taking place at the moment! Been a long time coming but it appears the end is nigh alright.

nice_guy80

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Couldn't believe when I heard this, but apparently interviews for Franks position are actually taking place at the moment! Been a long time coming but it appears the end is nigh alright.

has he applied himself?

who the fug

To reiterate a previous post of mine, I called for him to retire when I was 10 year, again when I was 20, Ditto 30 & 40 and fully expect to be asking for him to go when I am 50

Thinkstoomuch

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Couldn't believe when I heard this, but apparently interviews for Franks position are actually taking place at the moment! Been a long time coming but it appears the end is nigh alright.

I would hope that what you say would happen but I reserve doubts that the end is near.
All thats been advertised is an Administration role,Frank as Runai will remain for the next 3 years and still holds all the power.
While the new man will be in charge of fixtures,Ground maintenance,management of Intercounty teams etc,an important clause in this role is as advertised,that Frank still looks after all the Financial matters and also has Overall responsibility for Board Operations and Policy matters.
Frank is looking after the Park project so he has some one else doing all the other duties but make no mistake about it, any decison made wont be approved if he doesnt like it.He still is the main man.
Also the job is just for 3 years, it coinicides with the end of the Pairc redevelopment so I would say there is every chance they will have another reason and Frank will still be Runai or a majior part of the County Board after that term.

I cant see the new position having any great influence on change in the County Board.Diarmuid o Donovan is one of the contenders,ex minor manager and writes for the Echo.Id say he will probably get it,a pro County board man all the way.There should be a clean out of most of the current County boards members bar one or two.They have been there far too long and It needs fresh new voices,members that are not afraid to go against old out of date policies and bring change to Cork Gaa.

Realt Dearg Sec

I know this is the kind of question that will just make Cork people smile and shake their heads, but didn't Croke Park bring in a rule a few years back limiting the time someone can spend in a given executive role to five years? How did Frank manage to circumvent that (aside from the obvious "Frank can do it because he's Frank" response)?

Black Suir

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I know this is the kind of question that will just make Cork people smile and shake their heads, but didn't Croke Park bring in a rule a few years back limiting the time someone can spend in a given executive role to five years? How did Frank manage to circumvent that (aside from the obvious "Frank can do it because he's Frank" response)?

The five year rule applies to non full time positions. Frank Murphy like many other county secretaries now adays are in full time employment. They all have contracts with their county Board and with Croke Park. I think when the position was advertised in Waterford in 2008 or 2009, it was for seven years. The five year rule as far as I know does not apply to that of Treasurer as a good Treasurer if you have one, is hard to come by.

I can see Croke Park in the very near future do away with the position of Treasurer as more and more of the full time secretaries are getting involved in the running of the board financially. They are more of a CEO now than a Secretary.

I know in Waterford, it was reported a few weeks back that County Secretary Tim O'Keeffe was taking a bit of a step back from dealing with fixtures etc and that this would be done by Pat Grant who is the secretaty of the Western Divisional Board.

I dont know why the County Board did this did not get someone in a FAS Scheme to deal with the fixtures, maybe the job going to an out of work inter county player or ex inter county player.

rebel girl 15

Cork GAA chiefs are close to appointing a new administrator for the county board, an announcement expected in the coming days.
Among those understood to be in contention for the new post are former Cork minor coach Diarmuid O’Donovan, Cork Central Council delegate Des Cullinane, Cork County Board Development Officer Diarmuid Gowen, Edmund Forrest of Rebel Óg and current Cork County Board vice-chairman Ger Lane.

The new administrator will work with incumbent county board secretary Frank Murphy, who has been in office since 1972 and whose primary responsibilities will relate to the refurbishment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh.

According to the new administrator’s job specifications, however, the secretary will also have “overall responsibility for county board operations, including financial, administrative and policy matters . . . (and) Specific responsibility for financial management of the board’s resources including sponsorship.”

The new administrator’s duties will include fixture planning, responsibility for intercounty teams and full-time coaching staff as well as duties such as routine financial matter, affiliations and insurance, grounds maintenance and IT development.

The administrator will be appointed for a three-year term, including a one-year probationary period. With a meeting of the County Board scheduled for next Tuesday, it’s expected the new administrator will be unveiled in Pairc Ui Chaoimh that evening.

Frank will still control the reigns as far as the main things are concerned - ridiculous.

Thinkstoomuch

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Frank will still control the reigns as far as the main things are concerned - ridiculous.

It is an ideal situation from where he is concerned.If there is any problems with intercounty teams,Management etc,he cant get any blame as he will say he's not directly involved but at the same time any positive news it will be said he guided and advised them and was helpful etc.He is out of the spotlight but still the main man.