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The Real Reason for NATO Attacking Libya ?
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And equally, some people ignore the horrors of war when it involves the US/Isreal. Or condone it. Same thing.
Selective ignorance if you will.
Again highlighting my point - this obsession with US/Israel. I used to be a victim of it myself.
I don't notice the same obsession with Russia, or China, or India, etc
Back on thread - this obsession is clearly evident with the voltaire group who sent reporters down to Libya with a clear agenda to seek to portray the conflict in a certain way.0 -
when they invade countries for oil/money and claim to be on the side of good, then maybe, just maybe you'll see an obsession ... though i'm sure i won't see the same support for themI don't notice the same obsession with Russia, or China, or India, etc
or Pakistan, they have nukes ....0 -
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What is this? Who's she testifying to? Looks like a communist party meeting to me.
Is this a Stalin Society meeting? I think it is...0 -
What is this? Who's she testifying to? Looks like a communist party meeting to me.
Is this a Stalin Society meeting? I think it is...
Here is the full version.
Lizzie Phelan's highly acclaimed testimony starts @ 16:48.
Le témoignage très acclamé de Lizzie Phelan commence @ 16:48.
O aplaudido depoimento de Lizzie Phelan começa @ 16:48.
Dan Glazebrook (independent analyst), Lizzie Phelan (journalist), and Harpal Brar (politician and writer) provide much-needed analysis, counterpropaganda and polemic on 'Libya, Africa and Imperialism' in a public meeting convened by Oxford's Stop the War Coalition. Phelan and Brar recently returned from Libya and provide substantial firsthand insight.
Dan Glazebrook: starts 0:11; continues 1:13:26. Lizzie Phelan: starts 16:48; continues 1:06:07. Harpal Brar: starts 28:42.
Tuesday, 4 October, 7.30pm -- Oxford Town Hall, St Aldates, Oxford, UK.0 -
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Ummm... They were taking Tripolli that day.
Cant you get anything right ?
Go to bed dude.
Yeah you are right.. they were taking Tripoli that day, but not according to her.
In the second "report" I linked..
According to her it was a very small number of rebels which has already been put down - bad reporting
She then reports that the NATO has obviously failed - nonsense
She then claims that NATO have failed militarily so has revert to some sort of psychological warfare - more silliness
She then goes on to say that the rebels cannot hold anywhere, naming Brega and Zawiyah, which the rebels are.. in control of
Amazingly she says "NATO has not respected the United Nations in Iraq, Israel or anywhere else" - eh what?
She then goes on a long tirade how Libya is such a failure for NATO and the Western nations, how they need an exit strategy, yadda yadda that they need this to invade Syria, murdering Libyan civilians in their thousands?
Its bad rhetoric, it's heavily biased, it's god awful reporting and here it is in all its glory
She should go back to being an activist.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5772762/lizzie_cocker_the_equality_movement_imperialism/
So its bad that Western media is biased but its okay if someone else presents biased reports if they validate your opinion?
Bad reporting is bad reporting, whether its Fox News, or some activist "journalist" reporting for Russian state television.0 -
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Uhhm.. the fact that the rebels were taking Tripoli that day?
She was caught pretty bad doing one of these
Rebels had not reached Tripolli by August 21.
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Uhhm.. the fact that the rebels were taking Tripoli that day?
She was caught pretty bad doing one of these
you're wrong here, you might have chosen to forget this ...
"During the fall of Tripoli on 21 August 2011, it was widely reported that he (Saif al-Islam Gaddafi) had been captured by NTC forces, but on the night of 22 August he appeared at the Rixos hotel entrance, where foreign journalists were staying."
yeah in your eyes, she was clearly wrong, as she actually chose to report news rather than make up propaganda ... please if this is why you think she is misreporting, i'd say you owe the young lady an apology ...0 -
seemed like she was, she was there, and she saw first hand what happened. if you don't believe her because her story contradicts that of the war machine, well then this forum is not for you, as you obviously believe what you were told ...Yeah you are right.. they were taking Tripoli that day, but not according to her.
how is it bad reporting? what is she misrepresenting? did she not check her facts before reporting?In the second "report" I linked..
According to her it was a very small number of rebels which has already been put down - bad reporting
they did, they killed civilians, invaded a sovereign nation under a false pretence and forced regime change .. unless you agree that that was their objective ...She then reports that the NATO has obviously failed - nonsense
well nato was spreading lies about what happened and who did what, so yes that is a form of psychological warfare ... why do you think they paraded the dead leaders body around?She then claims that NATO have failed militarily so has revert to some sort of psychological warfare - more silliness
as a sign of respect no doubt right?
when were they in control of? how much control? was fighting still going on?She then goes on to say that the rebels cannot hold anywhere, naming Brega and Zawiyah, which the rebels are.. in control of
you know the answer to this, and you know that there were a few rebels, there, a few nato forces there, and that they had not secured the area yet ...
do you even know what the UN resolution was? do you know what nato did? i find myself as having to dismiss all your biased comments. you seem to pour out the same unfounded, non-researched nonsense again and again.Amazingly she says "NATO has not respected the United Nations in Iraq, Israel or anywhere else" - eh what?
if you are saying that nato has followed the un and respected their decision, you are frankly 100% wrong, and this alone puts into question any further comments by you.
they will need an exit strategy, once the oil is sorted, have you not been watching the news? iraq, afghanistan?She then goes on a long tirade how Libya is such a failure for NATO and the Western nations, how they need an exit strategy, yadda yadda that they need this to invade Syria, murdering Libyan civilians in their thousands?
and 'yadda'? i don't think she said 'yadda', you might have heard that in your head, but that is not what she said. if you have a problem in what she said you should just quote her, not make it seem like you could not be bothered to listen.
yes that is what you are presenting me with in your reasons for dismissing an independent report who i think is well renowned as being honest and fair ...Its bad rhetoric, it's heavily biased, it's god awful reporting and here it is in all its glory
so you don't like activists or you don't like people who have morals? why can't she do both? she seems quite good at both, and she is articulate and presents the full story ...
She should go back to being an activist.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5772762/lizzie_cocker_the_equality_movement_imperialism/
it's bad when anyone does it, but you believe the western nonsense as fact, and then dismiss anything that counters it as biased ...So its bad that Western media is biased but its okay if someone else presents biased reports if they validate your opinion?
What difference does reporting for the Russians make? are you against them inherently because they are 'commies'? is this were this distrust stems from? you know rt is the second most viewed foreigner news channel in usa after bbc ...Bad reporting is bad reporting, whether its Fox News, or some activist "journalist" reporting for Russian state television.
just because they report the unpleasant truth which you would rather ignore than face, does not mean that they have misreported ...
you have not presented any evidence to support your claim of her misreporting ... you have present your opinion of her as a Russian activist, but that has nothing to do with her reporting skills nor here integrity in reporting unbiased news ..0 -
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