Poisoned by our own government!!!

mute101

For the past 47 years, the Irish Government have been adding fluoride to our drinking water, and making us sick.
Sound crazy? It's crazy alright, but true unfortunately.
So maybe im exaggerating about the dangers of fluoride? Well every single country in Europe has banned the stuff, so whats so different about us? Does it not cause cancer and osteoporosis in Irish people? It does! It also lowers the IQ in young children.
If you are not familiar with this serious issue, please don't start an argument.
I want the Irish people to wake up and know their rights. You CANNOT be drugged against your will!
I have put this website together which highlights some of the most credible sources.
Please spread the word and lets get the F out NOW!!
Peace.

http://irishfluoridescandal.org/videos/

p1akuw47h5r3it

I drink loads of tap water and never get sick. So I'm fine with it.

john kinsella

I luv drnking tap wter and i dnt thnk it has lwered my IQ or my splling

sollar

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I drink loads of tap water and never get sick. So I'm fine with it.

Not everyone will get sick though. I would prefer it wasn't in our water.

Is there any other EU countries that use it?

Jelle1880

I know it's a common thing in the US, Canada, Australia,... but apparently Ireland is the only EU country doing it, which is odd.

baalthor

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I know it's a common thing in the US, Canada, Australia,... but apparently Ireland is the only EU country doing it, which is odd.

Look at the great teeth the Americans have !

And they're always slagging the Brits about having bad teeth ...

blubloblu

Conspiracy theories>>>

reallyoriginal

i fully agree. They do put it in the water apparently to help teeth (thats what they say) though there is reams of evidence proving it harms teeth just like sugar. Check tooth paste and you will find both ingredients. Fluoride is deadly that is why it says that children use only a pea size amount because if a small child swallowed a lot of tooth paste it would KILL them.

later12

mute101 wrote: »

Does it not cause cancer

No, it appears that it does not.
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/publications/fluoride_drinking_water_full.pdf

in spite of the large number of studies conducted in a number of countries, there is no consistent evidence to demonstrate any association between the consumption of controlled fluoridated drinking-water and either morbidity or mortality from cancer (USPHS, 1991; USNRC, 1993; WHO, 1996; IPCS, 2002).

and osteoporosis in Irish people?

I think you mean skeletal fluorosis. And no, there is no evidence to support this claim.

It also lowers the IQ in young children.

No, there is no evidence to support this claim either.

If you are not familiar with this serious issue, please don't start an argument.

I am. I am also familiar with the clear economic effects of adding Fluorides to the public water supply in reducing dental caries and maintaining dental health. From a public expenditure point of view, we should be glad of it.

Perhaps you ought to read this guide
http://www.bfsweb.org/One%20in%20a%20million/4%20general%20health.pdf

reallyoriginal

you quoted the world health organisation and the united nations quite a few times there. Look up the evidence put forward by the National health foundation. i do not have the links to it at the moment.

Zubeneschamali

mute101 wrote: »

Sound crazy?

Yep.

PCPhoto

please exit the forum and return when you have scientific proof and documented evidence to support your claims.

(a little bit of knowledge os a dangerous thing)



Ps. I'm not affiliated with any organisation or group promoting or claiming flouride in water is dangerous.

later12

The so-called ''National Health Foundation'' campaign on this issue. If you want to engage with the topic on an objective and evidential basis, using academic research, that's fine. But you cannot call the ''National Health Foundation'' objective, based on its campaigning.

Zillah

mute101 wrote: »

For the past 47 years, the Irish Government have been adding fluoride to our drinking water, and making us sick.
Sound crazy? It's crazy alright, but true unfortunately.
So maybe im exaggerating about the dangers of fluoride? Well every single country in Europe has banned the stuff, so whats so different about us? Does it not cause cancer and osteoporosis in Irish people? It does! It also lowers the IQ in young children.
If you are not familiar with this serious issue, please don't start an argument.
I want the Irish people to wake up and know their rights. You CANNOT be drugged against your will!
I have put this website together which highlights some of the most credible sources.
Please spread the word and lets get the F out NOW!!
Peace.

http://irishfluoridescandal.org/videos/

Yet another mind falls by the wayside, rolling in the muck of ignorance and hysteria. The train keeps on truckin to the future without you.

reallyoriginal

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=18003

says how dangerous flouride is

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=18911

both of these quote the National Health Foundation



And someone should counter what i said earlier on tooth paste if they can

Zillah

reallyoriginal wrote: »

both of these quote the National Health Foundation

I can't seem to find any information about this National Health Foundation. You'd think if it wasn't just bullshit made up by someone that they'd have a website or something...

Edit: Haha, I found it! It's actually the National Health Federation. It calls itself an international organisation...but it's name is national. That's pretty strange.
http://www.thenhfireland.com/

My favourite part though...they don't know how to spell organisation. And no, I'm not talking about the American 'z'. Take a look:


That's right, it's a very trustworthy 'orginization'.

Why is it that cultists and conspiracy theorists can never spell correctly?

reallyoriginal

Zillah wrote: »

I can't seem to find any information about this National Health Foundation. You'd think if it wasn't just bullshit made up by someone that they'd have a website or something...

wow you looked hard
http://www.thenhfireland.com/

Zubeneschamali

From their website:

• In the 1960s we coordinated a major drive to help chiropractors become legally licensed in over 40 states.
• In the 1970s we waged very successful campaigns against fluoridation.
• In the 1980s we pushed through legislative recognition of acupuncture.
• In the 1990s we lobbied to pass the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act S-784, fought malathion spraying, promoted public education on the dangers of vaccinations, and continued fighting the fluoridation battle.

I would suggest they should rebrand as the International Precious Bodily Fluid Foundation.

Zillah

reallyoriginal wrote: »

wow you looked hard
http://www.thenhfireland.com/

I found it thanks. No thanks to you getting the name wrong of course. The plot thickens: They have an interview with Joseph Mercola, a notorious crack-pot who doesn't agree with vaccination or prescription medication.

Oh dear oh dear.

IrishKnight

mute101 wrote: »

So maybe im exaggerating about the dangers of fluoride?

Yes, yes you are.

mute101 wrote: »

Well every single country in Europe has banned the stuff,

No they haven't. Some supplies in the UK are treated, Belgium has law supporting it but has not been implemented, National Health Board of Denmark is in favour and a small percentage of Spain has fluoridated water.

reallyoriginal wrote: »

i fully agree. They do put it in the water apparently to help teeth (thats what they say) though there is reams of evidence proving it harms teeth just like sugar.

Really? Could you quote which scientific papers state that? According to a meta-analysis carried out by The Cochrane Collaboration

Plain language summary

Fluoride toothpastes for preventing dental caries in children and adolescents

Children who brush their teeth at least once a day with a toothpaste that contains fluoride will have less tooth decay.
Tooth decay (dental caries) is painful, expensive to treat and can sometimes lead to serious damage to teeth. Fluoride is a mineral that prevents tooth decay. The review of trials found that children aged 5 to 16 years who used a fluoridated toothpaste had fewer decayed, missing and filled permanent teeth after three years (regardless of whether their drinking water was fluoridated). Twice a day use increases the benefit. No conclusion could be reached about the risk that using fluoride toothpastes could mottle teeth (fluorosis), an effect of chronic ingestion of excessive amounts of fluoride when children are young.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/o/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD002278/frame.html

For those who don't know much about The Cochrane Collaboration, they take a number of studies and look at the data independently of those that carried it out.

Overheal

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I know it's a common thing in the US, Canada, Australia,... but apparently Ireland is the only EU country doing it, which is odd.

I dont believe the US puts in fluoride at nearly the same concentration levels.

Godge

mute101 wrote: »

For the past 47 years, the Irish Government have been adding fluoride to our drinking water, and making us sick.
Sound crazy? It's crazy alright, but true unfortunately.
So maybe im exaggerating about the dangers of fluoride? Well every single country in Europe has banned the stuff, so whats so different about us? Does it not cause cancer and osteoporosis in Irish people? It does! It also lowers the IQ in young children.
If you are not familiar with this serious issue, please don't start an argument.
I want the Irish people to wake up and know their rights. You CANNOT be drugged against your will!
I have put this website together which highlights some of the most credible sources.
Please spread the word and lets get the F out NOW!!
Peace.

http://irishfluoridescandal.org/videos/

reallyoriginal wrote: »

i fully agree. They do put it in the water apparently to help teeth (thats what they say) though there is reams of evidence proving it harms teeth just like sugar. Check tooth paste and you will find both ingredients. Fluoride is deadly that is why it says that children use only a pea size amount because if a small child swallowed a lot of tooth paste it would KILL them.

It was only when I read these posts that I realised that there might be some truth in the bit in bold. Either its flouride or something else causing it.

Wolfe Tone

Why does Ireland have more fluoride in its water than a whole host of other countries?

later12

reallyoriginal wrote: »

if a small child swallowed a lot of tooth paste it would KILL them.

Tapwater contains about 1ppm Fluoride
http://www.dentalhealth.ie/faqs/

My AquaFresh toothpaste has about 1400ppm of Fluorides.

See the difference?

My name is URL

The argument of the 'dangers' of water fluoridation really draw attention away from the logical arguments against it.. ie. that medicating everyone to alleviate problems faced by a few, is not right.

Here's a couple of studies which suggest that the cessation of water fluoridation has little effect on the incidence of dental cavities -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9758426
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10601780

A list of foodstuffs which contain fluoride (pdf) -

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/Fluoride/F02.pdf

That, together with the fact that people have easier access to dentistry and other medical support today, as opposed to 50 odd years ago when water fluoridation was introduced, should make anyone question why exactly the mass medication of water supplies is still necessary in 2011 just to protect the tiny minority who simply refuse to look after themselves... And yet those who dare to question that are the ones called irrational, or accused of ignoring facts?!

CiaranMT

30 pages.

whiteonion

I'm against fluoridation of water mainly because it's forced medication. Why should people who don't want fluoride in their tap water have to?

My name is URL

whiteonion wrote: »

I'm against fluoridation of water mainly because it's forced medication. Why should people who don't want fluoride in their tap water have to?

I'm sure you'll be met with the "it's not forced" reply.. the "you're free to not drink tap-water" refutation..

yeah, some people have an odd way of defining 'freedom'..!

ed2hands

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I drink loads of tap water and never get sick. So I'm fine with it.

Good for you. It must be ok so. Storm in a teacup guys. Panic over.

Voodoo_rasher

this sounds more real to life than a conspiracy should be..

GalwayAnnie

Please read this report before coming out with such rubbish. This Forum was set to review virtually every scientific paper of any worth on the subject.

http://www.fluoridationforum.ie/forum_reports2.htm

A quote from final report:

of more significance might be comparative study of dental caries in Dublin, where the water is fluoridated and Glasgow, where the water is not fluoridated. The similar demographic structure and similar levels of deprivation facilitated meaningful comparisons to be made. There was a difference of 45% in the level of dental caries between the two cities indicating that there was significantly more dental decay in the non-fluoridated city.

Fluoridation helps the less advantaged children substantially more than the more advantaged, those that might not regularly wash their teeth and therefore their ownly exposure to fluorine is in the water supply.

ed2hands

GalwayAnnie wrote: »

Please read this report before coming out with such rubbish. This Forum was set to review virtually every scientific paper of any worth on the subject.

http://www.fluoridationforum.ie/forum_reports2.htm

A quote from final report:

of more significance might be comparative study of dental caries in Dublin, where the water is fluoridated and Glasgow, where the water is not fluoridated. The similar demographic structure and similar levels of deprivation facilitated meaningful comparisons to be made. There was a difference of 45% in the level of dental caries between the two cities indicating that there was significantly more dental decay in the non-fluoridated city.

Fluoridation helps the less advantaged children substantially more than the more advantaged, those that might not regularly wash their teeth and therefore their ownly exposure to fluorine is in the water supply.

You'll have to do better than that to dissuade me from insisting my children don't drink from the tap. So you're saying that i should expose my children to a potential poison just because some parents don't bother to get their kids to brush?

Voodoo_rasher

the fluoride compound is a toxic by-product waste from the fertiliser

manufacturing industry in the Netherlands. Sodium Hexafluoride (correct me i'm wrong). No other country will accept it,

so how do the Dutc h conveniently dispose of it?

Yes, they send it to us! hmph!

Ave Sodalis

To put it simply, according to the Leaving Cert chemistry book, the Fluoride we put into our tap water is Sodium Fluoride...
This is Sodium Fluoride...

My name is URL

sup_dude wrote: »

To put it simply, according to the Leaving Cert chemistry book, the Fluoride we put into our tap water is Sodium Fluoride...
This is Sodium Fluoride...

Hexafluorosilicic acid is what's used in Ireland.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article4968462.ece

roboshatner

The worst part of all this is that it is not a conspiracy theory at all but the government have normal people not believing that the water is safe to drink and in 2 years they are going to charge us for water that is full of Poison.

mute101 wrote: »

For the past 47 years, the Irish Government have been adding fluoride to our drinking water, and making us sick.
Sound crazy? It's crazy alright, but true unfortunately.
So maybe im exaggerating about the dangers of fluoride? Well every single country in Europe has banned the stuff, so whats so different about us? Does it not cause cancer and osteoporosis in Irish people? It does! It also lowers the IQ in young children.
If you are not familiar with this serious issue, please don't start an argument.
I want the Irish people to wake up and know their rights. You CANNOT be drugged against your will!
I have put this website together which highlights some of the most credible sources.
Please spread the word and lets get the F out NOW!!
Peace.

http://irishfluoridescandal.org/videos/

charlemont

Its worked too, Just have a good look around and think about it.

Sparticle

sup_dude wrote: »

To put it simply, according to the Leaving Cert chemistry book, the Fluoride we put into our tap water is Sodium Fluoride...
This is Sodium Fluoride...

And if you did Chemistry you would also realise the dosage makes the poison.

Talk E

I have been taking fluoride my whole life and i'm grand, I support it :D:D

Treora

Talk E wrote: »

I have been taking fluoride my whole life and i'm grand, I support it :D:D

Fair enough, but why pay twice for it.

Ireland buys enough fluoride toothpaste for a population 4 times its size, but we are never trained properly and consistantly to use it. The US, UK and most other countries have a state run oral hygiene education week. Most European countries have a daily class at tooth brushing for every 6 year old. Ireland has one day.

The €6+ million we pay to buy the stuff is less than 20% of the administration, storage, transport, maintenance, operations, testing, insurance and HSE/local authority bureaucractic boards use to sustain this industry.

Irish dental authorities quote the WHO on water fluoridation, but the writers of the WHO reports are the same Irish dental experts and paid by the Irish government to run our dental research, create the dental students curriculum and teach all Irish dentists. Its a closed loop. Its like asking bankers to self regulate and hand out instructions to all new entrants "read these rules and don't question them".

These samed WHO experts / Irish government employees also say you don't need water fluoridation if there is high enough education as in Sweden.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap14.pdf Part V last paragraph - hugely important but a compromise paragraph for the Swedish author at his government's insistance. So rushed it has spelling errors.

conscious

Red lemonade is also banned in most european countries because it dyes the inside of your body! But Ireland are glad to sell it

Monty Burnz

conscious wrote: »

Red lemonade is also banned in most european countries because it dyes the inside of your body!

Any source on that? And why should we care what colour we are inside? Are we worried about inverse racism?

Talk E

Treora wrote: »

Fair enough, but why pay twice for it.

Ireland buys enough fluoride toothpaste for a population 4 times its size, but we are never trained properly and consistantly to use it. The US, UK and most other countries have a state run oral hygiene education week. Most European countries have a daily class at tooth brushing for every 6 year old. Ireland has one day.

The €6+ million we pay to buy the stuff is less than 20% of the administration, storage, transport, maintenance, operations, testing, insurance and HSE/local authority bureaucractic boards use to sustain this industry.

Irish dental authorities quote the WHO on water fluoridation, but the writers of the WHO reports are the same Irish dental experts and paid by the Irish government to run our dental research, create the dental students curriculum and teach all Irish dentists. Its a closed loop. Its like asking bankers to self regulate and hand out instructions to all new entrants "read these rules and don't question them".

These samed WHO experts / Irish government employees also say you don't need water fluoridation if there is high enough education as in Sweden.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap14.pdf Part V last paragraph - hugely important but a compromise paragraph for the Swedish author at his government's insistance. So rushed it has spelling errors.

My last post was made by a fluoride junkey, dont listen to me.

Jeboa Safari

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Any source on that? And why should we care what colour we are inside? Are we worried about inverse racism?

Some chemical used in making red lemonade is banned in Europe, but I think cause it causes cancer, not changes the colour of your insides, still goes down well with whiskey though

Talk E

Aspertame ? Used in most diet and some non diet drinks.


Oh.. and the producers of bottled natural spring water are concerned about our teeth too, so they add fluoride to their bottled water. Nice of them

kippy

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not but surely its the first thing anyone who doesnt know anything about the topic should have a read of?
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/publications/fluoride_drinking_water_full.pdf

Treora

Talk E wrote: »

Oh.. and the producers of bottled natural spring water are concerned about our teeth too, so they add fluoride to their bottled water. Nice of them

Some do, volvic sure doesn't.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Fluoride is a bad idea, its too simple. Just adding this optimally to water in perfectly safe amounts as proved by the last 40 years in many countries reduces the decay rate in half, especially in children than are at risk and dont get access to toothpaste and brushes. This has been shown by stupid logical and well executed studies between north and south ireland removing the confounding effect of the flouride halo and toothpaste, but best not to read these or at the very least discredit them as self serving.

I say get rid of it, I need to do more fillings (white ones they dont last as long and cost more) root canals and extractions to make my mortgage repayments. Ever since the government stopped paying me to place radio transmitters in peoples teeth (now they read peoples minds) income is down.

Revolt people......

Jumpy

reallyoriginal wrote: »

Fluoride is deadly that is why it says that children use only a pea size amount because if a small child swallowed a lot of tooth paste it would KILL them.

No. Its because if they use more than a pea size amount then the foamy mouth it would give them would rival Santa Claus's beard.

Talk E

As many people already know the commonly used sodium fluoride is extremely toxic, and contrary to most “medical professionals” it is not good for the human body. But if you have become health conscious and stopped drinking fluoridated water, your good right? Yes and No.


If you were raised in a community that fluoridates the water, it has built up in your system. Sodium fluoride is an accumulative poison. If you are like me, born and raised in a fluoridated city, it has built up in your body. Mainly in your bones, thyroid glad, and pineal gland. So how do you get that fluoride out of your system?
That is a very complicated question. There is no 100% verified method of totally detoxing fluorides from your body. But there is several methods that I have used (along with many others), that can make a huge difference. For example: Joint pain disappearing, Chronic headaches gone, an ability to think clearer, and weight loss.
Number one of coarse is to stop fluoride exposure as much as you can. Even though you may have stopped drinking it in your water, many preserved foods contain it.

Second is to start using a sauna regularly. Saunas expel many heavy metals and toxins (including fluoride) from your system. Third, getting enough sunlight daily plays a large role in detoxing the pineal gland. As well as getting enough time in the dark. Sounds strange I know. But the right balance of light and darkness helps to regulate the melatonin production (the main function of the pineal gland). Forth is getting enough exercise (which also helps regulate melatonin production). And fifth is doing a raw liver detox. The raw detox is were most people cringe and get turned away. But it is very simple and effective. All that you need to do is drink two cups of tea a day, cut back on preserved foods, and increase your intake of raw foods. Here is the tea recipe that I use.

* 1 thick slice of lemon
* 1 piece of fresh ginger, 2/3″ long, peeled and bruised
* 1 cup boiling water

Place lemon and ginger in cup. Add boiling water and leave to infuse for two minutes. Remove lemon and ginger and drink immediately.
Using these five methods is very effective! But it is not a quick fix. It took all of that fluoride years to accumulate, and it will take years to get it all out. Everyone is different and can expect different results, but for myself I started to feel a large difference in 3 months. I have now been doing it for 3 years, and have felt great! I am at the point that if I drink a cup of coffee that contains fluoridated water, or eat a processed food that has fluoride, I become physically ill.

Dave!

Oh dear