Raw 16/05/11 - Spoilers

grames_bond · 17-05-2011 10:52am

GTR63 wrote: »

Cena's selling is comically bad hit by a pipe several times & recovers like superman on steroids. Pretty meh Raw overall.

time and time and time (and time) again!! I'm f*cking sick of no sell super cena!
and again his punches are pathetic - the mad swings at miz was just shocking!

Insect Overlord · 17-05-2011 12:09pm

I didn't think it was all bad. R-Truth's madness is getting very believable. Kong/Karma was very impressive. Sure, even the Swagger/Cena match was good, whatever about the rubbish afterwards. The reference back to Lawlor's match with Bret in the 90s was a nice touch too.

parker kent · 17-05-2011 12:37pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I didn't think it was all bad. R-Truth's madness is getting very believable. Kong/Karma was very impressive. Sure, even the Swagger/Cena match was good, whatever about the rubbish afterwards. The reference back to Lawlor's match with Bret in the 90s was a nice touch too.

I'd agree with that about R-Truth. R-Truth is the man on Raw these past few weeks. Nice to see Swagger in the main event.

Overall all though, it was a pretty meh Raw. Not exactly the most entertaining TV I've ever watched.

I imagine Miz has a cunning plan for Sunday which will probably involve replaying Cena saying I quit from last night or else attacking his mother or something hokey like that.

DM_7 · 17-05-2011 12:47pm

R-Truth steals the show again. I was also glad to see Nexus have a good night. When did perfect jr last pin anyone on raw? And what sort of top rope move was that from Del Rio?

rossie1977 · 17-05-2011 1:10pm

GTR63 wrote: »

Cena's selling is comically bad hit by a pipe several times & recovers like superman on steroids. Pretty meh Raw overall.

miz sold for no more than a split second when cena hit him in the mid-drift with the pipe, anyway raws become the no sell show, kong no selling all the other girls offense and punk no selling the rko the other week

SlickRic · 17-05-2011 1:13pm

Cena is actually getting worse.

i've had all the patience in the world for him, but even i'm starting to get sick of it.

not necessarily the Super Cena, but the bad selling, and fúcking horrific punches. they're horrendous, and destroy my suspension of belief completely in an instant.

as i say, he's getting worse. i'm not even joking.

parker kent · 17-05-2011 5:01pm

I've reached the point where I don't care how bad Cena is any more. I have found peace and accepted his awfulness :pac:

spiritcrusher · 17-05-2011 5:56pm

Not a great Raw alright. Think the draft has really damaged the show, it lost an awful lot of its actual "wrestling" talent. Bryan, Sheamus, Sin Cara and, can't believe I'm saying this, Randy Orton. Most of those seem quite dependable in the ring to put on entertaining matches, I know Cara started off shaky but he clearly has talent
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While Raw still have talent there like Punk, Del Rio, Ziggler a lot of those are in serious danger of getting lost in the squeeze beneath Cena's disgustingly built weight, and have lost serious momentum recently. Del Rio's in no man's land, Ziggler has done F.A. since changing his image and Punk badly needs to get into singles action and lose the Nexus (but I doubt he will as long as he owns the rights to his name).
Swagger isn't bad either but I can't stand his character.

Really don't want to be jumping on the Cena bashing bandwagon but he really does seem to be getting incredibly lazy in his matches. Take a beating for the vast majority of a match, do his few moves and win.
Nice to see him giving screen time to Zack Ryder though!

Lord TSC · 18-05-2011 12:47pm

Monday's WWE Raw scored a 3.08 rating, which is down from the 3.18 rating the show drew last week. The show averaged roughly 4.7 million viewers.

Powell's POV: The rating continues to drop and in this case the company can't point to strong NBA playoff competition. It was the lowest rating the show has drawn since January 10. Obviously, this doesn't bode well for Sunday's Over The Limit pay-per-view.

JohnMarston · 18-05-2011 3:25pm

I've only started to watch raw again since The Rocks return, so can someone explain to me this Kharma plot? Cos they're really trying to sell the idea hard

gimmick · 18-05-2011 8:46pm

Its funny. You can tell how good/bad Raw is by looking at the amount of posts the thread has the following day. Sure enough, this weeks was terrible. Managed to get through it in about 25 mins. Fast forward all the way. Watched the Punk Kofi match alright which was decent. The rest was utter rot.

Lord TSC · 18-05-2011 9:47pm

JohnMarston wrote: »

I've only started to watch raw again since The Rocks return, so can someone explain to me this Kharma plot? Cos they're really trying to sell the idea hard

Not much to explain thus far. So far, all she's been doing is attacking divas. They seem to be going down a route where she's somewhat obsessed with K2, having not attacked her but having got real close to her a few times, but that's all we've seen so far...

cena · 18-05-2011 10:07pm

gimmick wrote: »

Its funny. You can tell how good/bad Raw is by looking at the amount of posts the thread has the following day. Sure enough, this weeks was terrible. Managed to get through it in about 25 mins. Fast forward all the way. Watched the Punk Kofi match alright which was decent. The rest was utter rot.

I too have been thinking this the last two weeks just by the amount of posts on the raw threads

parker kent · 18-05-2011 10:10pm

gimmick wrote: »

Its funny. You can tell how good/bad Raw is by looking at the amount of posts the thread has the following day. Sure enough, this weeks was terrible. Managed to get through it in about 25 mins. Fast forward all the way. Watched the Punk Kofi match alright which was decent. The rest was utter rot.

Yeah the forward button on Sky Plus was needed by me as well.

Jazzy · 18-05-2011 10:28pm

K-Kwik 'stealing' the show, lol. i watched that raw in 15 mins, so much crap. wrasslin needs fixing

parker kent · 18-05-2011 10:33pm

Jazzy wrote: »

K-Kwik 'stealing' the show, lol. i watched that raw in 15 mins, so much crap. wrasslin needs fixing

In fairness I'm sure there were people lol-ing when Rocky Maivia stole the show on Raws past as well.

Before the hordes descend, I'm not saying R-Truth and The Rock are one and the same. Just that even the most successful wrestlers (HHH, The Rock, Steve Austin etc) have had poor spells in their career.

JohnMarston · 18-05-2011 10:41pm

The way they depicted Miz picking an opponent for Cena, like Swagger was the bottom of the barrel.

JP Liz V1 · 18-05-2011 10:46pm

Why couldnt they have Cena and Ryder go against Miz and Riley in a tag match

Truth's new look reminded me of 50 Cent

The Volt · 18-05-2011 10:50pm

I'm not minding Miz too much at the moment. He's playing the perfect heal. They should probably allow Riley to score a pinfall at some stage though.

JP Liz V1 · 18-05-2011 10:51pm

I dont get why Riley was drafted to SD since he is always on Raw

The Volt · 18-05-2011 10:52pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I dont get why Riley was drafted to SD since he is always on Raw

It was a pure waste of a draft pick like. Idiots.

Pentecost · 19-05-2011 12:31am

They probably had some idea of separating him from the Miz then decided against it at the last minute. Heel Truth is a breath of fresh air he used to bore the hell out of me and he looks like he's enjoying his new role.

Lord TSC · 19-05-2011 11:15am

Pentecost wrote: »

They probably had some idea of separating him from the Miz then decided against it at the last minute. .

Wouldn't be the first time. Remember when he was "Fired", only to return three weeks later?

JP Liz V1 · 19-05-2011 11:47am

Where is Beth Phoenix? Didnt she get drafted to Raw

I wanna see her confront Kharma

Garseys · 19-05-2011 12:50pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Where is Beth Phoenix? Didnt she get drafted to Raw I wanna see her confront Kharma

I think they're holding off on that until Kharma gets her hands on Kelly Kelly.

I enjoyed RAW this week, and thankfully it looks like Cole V Lawler will wrap up at OTL with King finally getting the victory!

Lord TSC · 19-05-2011 1:00pm

Garseys wrote: »

I think they're holding off on that until Kharma gets her hands on Kelly Kelly.

I enjoyed RAW this week, and thankfully it looks like Cole V Lawler will wrap up at OTL with King finally getting the victory!

Pfft, I've thought that twice now. Won't get my hopes up. I can see them letting Cole win and brag about his HoF ring...

Cianan2 · 19-05-2011 3:36pm

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Pfft, I've thought that twice now. Won't get my hopes up. I can see them letting Cole win and brag about his HoF ring...

You'd think so after all that we've seen, but they wouldn't just sh1t on the HoF like that....Would they?

grames_bond · 19-05-2011 3:39pm

Cianan2 wrote: »

You'd think so after all that we've seen, but they wouldn't just sh1t on the HoF like that....Would they?

no i think this will officially be the end of it! even if it is a different ring the whole "ill give you my hof ring" just would not pan out! even for a storyline - and especially now that cole is apologetic and afraid to speak coz swagger left!

Ridley · 19-05-2011 4:57pm

gimmick wrote: »

Its funny. You can tell how good/bad Raw is by looking at the amount of posts the thread has the following day. Sure enough, this weeks was terrible. Managed to get through it in about 25 mins. Fast forward all the way. Watched the Punk Kofi match alright which was decent. The rest was utter rot.

I thought the show was so-so (Mysterio is seemingly filling in for injured Morrison, the Kharma stuff is what it is until she has a match and The Corre has been switched out for New Nexus in the Big Show and Kane fued) but apart from the groan factor of a contract signing and Swagger going down to the AA/STF combo, I was satisfied with the overall theme of Miz looking for an opponent for Cena and how the Lawler/Cole fued played into it.

For a Raw broadcast, this thread is unusually short on posts. If you're going by thread length, the Smackdown Christian lost the title was the best ever before any us had even seen it. :pac:

SlickRic · 19-05-2011 5:31pm

something must be done.

that rating has to start worrying Vince enough; alligned with the shít PPV figures.

surely someone sees it? SURELY?!

and surely someone can put it down to writing rather than booking. whether they like it or not, as much as they want to be 'entertainment', they are sports entertainment, using the sport of wrestling. that means until they get believable characters, and until matches means something, and until new talent is pushed, and until they go back to basics with feud storytelling, i'm telling you, things will not improve save the odd Rock or Austin appearance.

it's so basic.

Paul Heyman 101, as i've said in here before.

wánker heels built up against likeable and/or charismatic babyfaces, to the point where you pay to see the face beat him. you can do it with anyone with any performers with an ounce of charisma and wrestling ability.

the problem is, i just think the rot has festered too deep now.

and will HHH fix it when he's in charge?

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