NCT MORE HIKES, POORER PAY

jakdelad

same ould story NCT have announced any car over from the first of june over 10 years old will have to have an annual test
this they say is an EEC directive
but it was alright before now
more bullsh1t to screw the ordinary joe again
no doubt the spin post will flow......
how far do you go with this logic
so a car 20 yrs old will that get tested every six months???
well if your applying the same logic to 10 yr old cars this makes sense???
but a thirty yr old car needs no test??
they test every car but wont release info on which vechicles are the best wearing as regards brakes etc useful stuff that the motorist could use.
the stastics from the RSA,the AA, the gardai time and time again
show in over 90% of accidents are not caused by defective cars
its speed drug n drink driving......
the people with older cars are gonna be hit the hardest
most of these folk are struggeling at the moment
thank you NCT

voter1983

More needless crap from the E.U. nanny state

RichardAnd

An info on what this will cost and what it will involve?

My brother and I share a 00 micra that, whilst not flash, is a supremely reliable car that has never given any hassle to either of us. Idiots behind the wheel cause accidents, not the car itself.

flutered

add on an extra 2% on fuel next january to help save the planet, a raise in road tax also in january, then add another 2% on our insuranse come september to pay off sean quinns gambling debts, all this before michael noonan casts his beady eye on the down trodden motorist.

ardmacha

the people with older cars are gonna be hit the hardest

People with little money and old cars are exactly the people whose cars should be tested as they might be tempted to economise on essential repairs.

themadchef

My car is ten years old. NCT last week and ended up spending €300 to get it up to standard, €300 i would most likely not have spent were i not forced to.

Thank you Minister, you might have saved more than my life. Im too much of a ckeapskate to put any value on it myself.

We need to make sure every car on the road is a safe car. If €50 a year is too much, then frankly you cant afford to be on the road. If your car needs fixing, then fix it, for all our sakes!

4zn76tysfajdxp

jakdelad wrote: »

the people with older cars are gonna be hit the hardest
most of these folk are struggeling at the moment

Yeah, struggling because they can't control their dangerous, rusting shitboxes.

Solnskaya

Bah, I thought from the title that NCT workers were going to be forced to take up hillwalking and have their pay cut, all good stuff so far. Then it turns out that its just a whinge that you can't drive around in a deathtrap anymore. Ah well.

orourkeda

Get the bus

landsleaving

I must admit, I only skimmed the thread title, but if the poor want to pay me to go on a hike, I'm all for it.

jakdelad

Jameson Ripe Quarter wrote: »

Yeah, struggling because they can't control their dangerous, rusting shitboxes.

but it was ok to have a sh1tbox before the first of june
all of a sudden cars just fall apart and have to be tested every year
so if you apply their logic any car 20 years old should be tested
every six months??
however if you drive a thirty year old car you need no test??

oh i see now
so its not about gouging more money? its a safety issue [ wakey wakey folks]

but the very old sh1tbox rolls that carrys the president
thats ok?

CreepingDeath

jakdelad wrote: »

same ould story NCT have announced any car over from the first of june over 10 years old will have to have an annual test
this they say is an EEC directive

Yeah, to boost sales of EU car makers.
And only allowing EU safety rated tyres boosts the sales of EU made tyres.

Oranage2

Havent drove i over a year because of the cost of insurrance etc, with this new charge i cant see myself driving for a long time

4zn76tysfajdxp

jakdelad wrote: »

but it was ok to have a sh1tbox before the first of june

Have to start some time.

all of a sudden cars just fall apart and have to be tested every year
so if you apply their logic any car 20 years old should be tested
every six months??
however if you drive a thirty year old car you need no test??

Fine by me. If it was up to me, every car on the road would be tested annually. Even new ones. **** it, every driver should be able to afford €50 a year and to possibly take a day off work.

oh i see now
so its not about gouging more money? its a safety issue [ wakey wakey folks]

Right. Gouging €50 a year.

but the very old sh1tbox rolls that carrys the president
thats ok?

I dunno. As I said, if it was up to me it'd be tested annually.

Oranage2

Jameson Ripe Quarter wrote: »

Have to start some time.



Fine by me. If it was up to me, every car on the road would be tested annually. Even new ones. **** it, every driver should be able to afford €50 a year and to possibly take a day off work.



Right. Gouging €50 a year.



I dunno. As I said, if it was up to me it'd be tested annually.

:rolleyes:

Obviously frada doesnt drive or if he does, mammy lets him borrow her brand new one!

4zn76tysfajdxp

Oranage2 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Obviously frada doesnt drive or if he does, mammy lets him borrow her brand new one!

I do drive. My own car, in fact.

slimjimmc

This announcement seems to have come as a surprise to many people even though it has been published a long time ago. The Irish Times announced it on Wed 12 Dec 2009, nearly a year and a half ago and citizensinfomation.ie has it posted since 28/07/2010.

Guy:Incognito

slimjimmc wrote: »

This announcement seems to have come as a surprise to many people even though it has been published a long time ago. The Irish Times announced it on Wed 12 Dec 2009, nearly a year and a half ago and citizensinfomation.ie has it posted since 28/07/2010.

The rabble doesnt work to any government sponsored oppression machince like a calendar.

flutered

Jameson Ripe Quarter wrote: »

Yeah, struggling because they can't control their dangerous, rusting shitboxes.

excuse me do not judge every one by your own standards, i have a 95 reg vehicle, it is tested until 2013, i take care of my vehicles, i have and will continue to do so, it is the continous taxation that will deter people from testing, if it come down to test or tax i will tax each time.

4zn76tysfajdxp

flutered wrote: »

excuse me do not judge every one by your own standards, i have a 95 reg vehicle, it is tested until 2013, i take care of my vehicles, i have and will continue to do so, it is the continous taxation that will deter people from testing, if it come down to test or tax i will tax each time.

That's fine. Nothing wrong with driving an old car if it's safe to drive. My point is that all cars should be tested on a regular basis to make sure that they are, in fact, safe. Nothing more than that.

Seth Brundle

slimjimmc wrote: »

This announcement seems to have come as a surprise to many people even though it has been published a long time ago. The Irish Times announced it on Wed 12 Dec 2009, nearly a year and a half ago and citizensinfomation.ie has it posted since 28/07/2010.

Like the Rules of the Road* and all other info for motorists out there, most Irish people don't bother their arse reading this stuff!



*based on the fact that most people behind the wheel can't drive

JJJJNR

50 euro is a lot though to just hook up a few machines and to do a visual inspection.. it should be free and part of the service of paying your road tax...IMO as anyone with a pre 08 car is already being fleeced...

In the long run its "the poorer" :rolleyes: that will benefit from this as they will be getting better cars as they become cheaper so its a win win situation.

Seth Brundle

JJJJNR wrote: »

50 euro is a lot though to just hook up a few machines and to do an visual inspection.. it should be free and part of the service of paying your road tax...IMO as anyone with a pre 08 car is already being fleeced...

In the long run its "the poorer" :rolleyes: that will benefit from this as they will be getting better cars as they become cheaper so its a win win situation.

What road tax would that be?
As for being fleeced, we are fleeced from the moment we buy the car (what with double taxation) but have happily gone out and bought new cars in the past, so whats wrong with another bit of money being pulled from our wallets?

mickdw

If you are driving a 10 year old car, the test is going to cost €50 approx. If the car is a good as you think, it will cost no more. If it needs extra money spending then the test has been very worth while.
I would agree with annual testing from 3 years old. It might also help to keep some record of mileage to fight clocking.
There are ALOT of people in Ireland who buy reasonable cars at 3 or 4 years old and have zero respect and just drive them to sh1t. They will go around for years if allowed with blown bulbs, unfocused headlights, airbags light on and therefore most likely not functioning, not to mention bald tyres. An annual test to protect them from themselves is no harm at all.

JJJJNR

Fair enough, we shouldn't be paying anything to test the cars the gov should handle all this testing as part of all the taxes already paid on the car, I have no problem with cars being tested every year if they are in bad condition, but any car will pass with parts that have 10 - 15% service life left, maybe the operators need to review this rather than test every year.

starbelgrade

I have two cars. One's a decent one & the is an 11 year old runaround.

I brought the newer car for testing in January. It failed on emissions. I brought it back for re-testing without doing anything except driving it hard to clear the exhaust (as I knew there was nothing wrong with it) and it passed.

I don't use the other car for much & have it loaned out to a mate who needs a run-around. I gave it to him on the proviso he got some work done to it & got it NCT'd.

It was tested in March & he hadn't done anything with it.

The brake pads were worn down to the metal, the discs are rusty, one of the wing mirrors is broken and it hasn't been serviced in over 3 years because it's not worth spending the money on. Oh, and the coolant tank was leaky.

It passed without any questions.

Two weeks later, it gave up the ghost & the engined seized on a bad bend on the N17.

The NCT is supposed to be a certificate stating that your car is roadworthy. This car was clearly not. My other car clearly was, yet it failed.

So, personally, I think the NCT is a load of cock.

Celly Smunt

couple of years ago i paid €50 to put my car which was perfect through and the c*nts failed me because i had child locks on,so then i had to spend another €50 to put it through again the same day while the child locks were off and it passed.pure money spinner.

OutlawPete

starbelgrade wrote: »

So, personally, I think the NCT is a load of cock.

The biggest problem with the NCT is consistency (or lack of it) and the fact that they employ tossers who are not trained correctly (or at least so it appears). If some of the guys doing the NCT tests were to treat cars in dealerships and the like the way they do during the test, they would be out on their ears .. and fast.

Over the years I have had them BREAK cars that I have left in to be NCT'd. They have snapped a hand break cable, broke an armrest and blown a turbo of one TDI I owned.

Most recently I was failed on the NCT for my lights not being correctly aligned despite the fact that they were aligned the morning of the test. Had them rechecked for the re-test and my mechanic said they do not need relining and left them as is and it passed. NCT is a good idea in practice, just a poorly executed one as it stands.

Celly Smunt

OutlawPete wrote: »

The biggest problem with the NCT is consistency (or lack of it) and the fact that they employ tossers who are not trained correctly (or at least so it appears). If some of the guys doing the NCT tests were to treat cars in dealerships and the like the way they do during the test, they would be out on their ears .. and fast.

Over the years I have had them BREAK cars that I have left in to be NCT'd. They have snapped a hand break cable, broke an armrest and blown a turbo of one TDI I owned.

i got a dipstick dropped into my engine which i then had to pay to get towed and stripped out,fcking idiots the lot of them.

starbelgrade

pmcmahon wrote: »

i got a dipstick dropped into my engine

Oooh, Matron!

skelliser

expect more of these stealth taxes in the years to come.

does any of the money raised with the NCT go to the upkeep of the roads network?

OutlawPete

pmcmahon wrote: »

i got a dipstick dropped into my engine which i then had to pay to get towed and stripped out,fcking idiots the lot of them.

Did they cover any of the cost at all?

Apparently they blow so many turbos that they had to introduce a special form for TDI owners to sign that pretty much states that if they blow, it won't be their fault. Have another NCT quite soon so will find out I guess.

Celly Smunt

OutlawPete wrote: »

Did they cover any of the cost at all?

got the next visit free :rolleyes:

Oranage2

starbelgrade wrote: »

So, personally, I think the NCT is a load of cock.

Exactly - also a lot of the garages know the tester so its very common for testers to pass crappy cars from garages for a 'special fee'

2 stroke

What we realy need is a NRT (national road test). Our councils are getting away with murder. Cars are being wrecked by neglected roads. Its considered acceptable to put up a sign saying "Dangerous Bends" and not do anything about the problem.

johngalway

NCT is NOT the Holy Grail of car mechanical safety. I have heard tales, true tales, not tall ones, of cars which passed the test (one of those flying cars again) but which the owners/drivers freely admits contain defective aspects that are not safe.

For that reason I cast a leery eye on the NCT. It's not worthless, but it's far from perfect.

Senna

jakdelad wrote: »

they test every car but wont release info on which vechicles are the best wearing as regards brakes etc useful stuff that the motorist could use.

How would this information help anyone? Do you think people only get things fixed on their cars because of the NCT test?

pmcmahon wrote: »

couple of years ago i paid €50 to put my car which was perfect through and the c*nts failed me because i had child locks on,so then i had to spend another €50 to put it through again the same day while the child locks were off and it passed.pure money spinner.

Thats a visual inspection, no fee. If you did pay €50 you must have failed on something else.

eternal

The NCT in theory was a good idea.I mean there were cars tied together with rope on roads beofre that.But the testers are a joke.I had to go FOUR times to get mine to pass.After the first time ,the set of faults changed each time.So I was going to get certain things fixed ,then they changed their minds and then created new things which I then had to go fix .Pure money racket.I asked them straight out why did it pass on that but now failing on this ,whereas the other tester passed it .I was told ,ask the person who was working here.It was pretty obvious I couldnt as that person wasnt there that day.
I dont mind paying for it all ,if they are being consistant.But they arent .I mean coming up with new things wrong each time I went there .Like one saying ,oh the tracking is fine ,but fix this.Then fixing that and going back and another one saying oh that didnt need fixing but youd want to get your tracking looked at .
Pack wa&kers .

landsleaving

Senna wrote: »

Thats a visual inspection, no fee. If you did pay €50 you must have failed on something else.

Actually my Mum failed on that a few years back too. They even told her that was why. I'd say she was fuming, she failed about 3 times in a row on some new tiny thing another time.

Lucky for me I don't drive. I have a bike that gets a puncture every time I use it though :pac:

Agricola

eternal wrote: »

The NCT in theory was a good idea.I mean there were cars tied together with rope on roads beofre that.But the testers are a joke.I had to go FOUR times to get mine to pass.After the first time ,the set of faults changed each time.So I was going to get certain things fixed ,then they changed their minds and then created new things which I then had to go fix .Pure money racket.I asked them straight out why did it pass on that but now failing on this ,whereas the other tester passed it .I was told ,ask the person who was working here.It was pretty obvious I couldnt as that person wasnt there that day.
I dont mind paying for it all ,if they are being consistant.But they arent .I mean coming up with new things wrong each time I went there .Like one saying ,oh the tracking is fine ,but fix this.Then fixing that and going back and another one saying oh that didnt need fixing but youd want to get your tracking looked at .
Pack wa&kers .

I was failed for worn trackrod ends the last time. Showed it to a friend whos a mechanic and he said it was bull****. He cleaned them up and gave them a lick of black paint. Sailed through the re-test!

Doublin

They tried to fail me once, because one of the bolts that held the battery in place was loose. I refused to go away and have to re-take the test another time. Eventually we agreed I'd drive the car out of the centre building, park it up & tighten the bolt myself while the inspector fellow watched me. I got the pass there then..

jakdelad

ya see its all horsesh1tE, its purely revenue generating, they tell you we are all good europeans no trade barriers free to go to any eec country blah blah
but buy a car in northern ireland or england
and the customs aka govt are drooling to nail you to the cross
with VRT TAX the minute you appear
tell you then about free trade , my ar5e
again i ask if you apply the nct logic
a twenty year old car should be tested every six months
if a ten year car has to be tested every year??
but heres the stupid bit , a 30 year old does not have to be tested

OutlawPete

Primetime will be showing something about "bribing" a pass in the NCT in a few moments, sounds ominous.

Capt'n Midnight

OutlawPete wrote: »

Primetime will be showing something about "bribing" a pass in the NCT in a few moments, sounds ominous.

RTE 1 right now !

Seth Brundle

jakdelad wrote: »

ya see its all horsesh1tE, its purely revenue generating, they tell you we are all good europeans no trade barriers free to go to any eec country blah blah
but buy a car in northern ireland or england
and the customs aka govt are drooling to nail you to the cross
with VRT TAX the minute you appear
tell you then about free trade , my ar5e
again i ask if you apply the nct logic
a twenty year old car should be tested every six months
if a ten year car has to be tested every year??
but heres the stupid bit , a 30 year old does not have to be tested

1. The EEC hasn't been around for a while.
2. VRT has not been shown to be a barrier to trade.
3. People repeatedly voted for FF whose former leader introduced VRT. People spent years happily paying VRT. Customs / revenue don't nail you to a cross. They make you pay what you owe for the car you decided to import. They will even give you a guide cost on their website.
4. NCT logic - in most European countries, the test (which is based on a European directive) is an annual one.
5. By and large, a car that has managed to survive on Irish roads for 30 years has not been neglected. However, whilst it not subject to an NCT, it still has to be roadworthy for it to be both legal and also for the insurance.

Corsendonk

Wanna pass the NCT, just bribe the NCT inspector! 100 euros to get a death trap passed.

OutlawPete

Corsendonk wrote: »

Wanna pass the NCT, just bribe the NCT inspector! 100 euros to get a death trap passed.

Wonder if RTE will pass along the names of those guys, or will they protect their sources.

Corsendonk

OutlawPete wrote: »

Wonder if RTE will pass along the names of those guys, or will they protect their sources.

Garda will request the film anyway following the NRA complaint and its not just the one service centre. The NRA guy will be lucky to have a job by the end of the week.

JohnMarston

2 stroke wrote: »

What we realy need is a NRT (national road test). Our councils are getting away with murder. Cars are being wrecked by neglected roads. Its considered acceptable to put up a sign saying "Dangerous Bends" and not do anything about the problem.

Agreed.

Let me give you an example. I was driving down the cork road in waterford where there were road works going on as i neared the city center. They were resurfacing a road that was fine, absolutely fine.
Later that day, im driving down a back road not 15 minutes from the aforementioned road, and i was swerving to avoid the potholes.

Madness i tell you!:mad:

Seth Brundle

Corsendonk wrote: »

Garda will request the film anyway following the NRA complaint and its not just the one service centre. The NRA guy will be lucky to have a job by the end of the week.

Why would the NRA complain to the gardai?

Agent_47

These guys will all get shopped. Applus+ will sack the depot supervisors, AA will drop in un-announced and by the end of the year we won't see any cars on the road > than 10 years old!
Remember when it first came in, all the bangers were gone, now they are all back. End of the year they will be scrapped.