Psychiatry is bogus

skelliser

Naikon wrote: »

You could make the same arguments for religion tbh.

you could but then you would be ignoring scientific experiments and theories just like you are doing with a whole field of medicine!

tbh i think your out of your depth with this.

just to clarify are you dismissing Psychiatry as a science?

yes/no

dlofnep

OutlawPete wrote: »

The infamous Tom Crusie interview where he called psychiatry a "pseudo science" ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc_wjp262RY

One of the few sensible things Cruise has ever said. He's right.

Donal Og O Baelach

Naikon wrote: »

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?:pac:

No

orourkeda

skelliser wrote: »

you could but then you would be ignoring scientific experiments and theories just like you are doing with a whole field of medicine!

The obvious difference is that the human brain can be studied quite readily.

How can we study something that we cannot see at the moment or have not seen yet?

Naikon

skelliser wrote: »

just to clarify are you dismissing Psychiatry as a science?
yes/no

Yes

orourkeda

dlofnep wrote: »

One of the few sensible things Cruise has ever said. He's right.

Are you a scientologist?

orourkeda

Naikon wrote: »

Yes

Surely not? Are you dismissing any other areas of the study of the brain or mind?

Why psychiatry specifically?

Logical Fallacy

Naikon wrote: »

Won't show up on an MRI.

You need to try and research a bit harder.

http://www.encognitive.com/node/10324

So there you go, your whole argument brought down by one quick Google search.

dlofnep

orourkeda wrote: »

Are you a scientologist?

An atheist, but thanks for asking. What he said makes perfect sense.

skelliser

orourkeda wrote: »

How can we study something that we cannot see at the moment or have not seen yet?

here, get a dictionary and look up the word "science"


FFS, did everyone's IQ drop in this rescession along with the price of houses!

orourkeda

skelliser wrote: »

here, get a dictionary and look up the word "science"


FFS, did everyone's IQ drop in this rescession along with the price of houses!

I know what the word science means.

Get back down off your high horse and explain to the retard here what is so stupid about what I said.

skelliser

Naikon wrote: »

Yes

fair enough!


another question, do you beleive in creationism?

if not, explain why

Naikon

skelliser wrote: »

fair enough!


another question, do you beleive in creationism?

if not, explain why

I am an atheist. It's all bull****.

whiteonion

How do you scientifically measure mental illness, it's all an arbitrary excessive in labeling people based on behavior. It was once considered that homosexuals were mentally ill. That's just an arbitrary label.

orourkeda

dlofnep wrote: »

An atheist, but thanks for asking. What he said makes perfect sense.

Drugs may not be the answer. Theres a certain truth in what he says there, but what are the alternatives or solutions?

whiteonion

orourkeda wrote: »

Drugs may not be the answer. Theres a certain truth in what he says there, but what are the alternatives or solutions?

A ban on psychiatric drugs.

Naikon

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

You need to try and research a bit harder.

http://www.encognitive.com/node/10324

So there you go, your whole argument brought down by one quick Google search.

"Wyeth-Ayerst Pharmaceuticals"

HHHMMMM. Seems legitimate Wonder who represented that study at the University. Aren't there other factors influencing the scan results? Emotional state isn't the only factor here. You bet your barney these studies are rigged, at least to some degree.

WalterMitty

Just because science hasnt yet shown in all cases how mental illness is caused doesnt mean there is no physical problem with the brain leading to disorder.
The mind is both the physical brain and its operation. In something so complex as a brain it only takes small genetic differences or mutations to make someone unwell or at one of the extreme ends of "normalness".

Brains and minds are made of neurons,neurotransmitters, receptors, synapses, all interconnected. Psychiatry just tries to treat disorder in that system that may be due to environment or nature or both.

Logical Fallacy

dlofnep wrote: »

One of the few sensible things Cruise has ever said. He's right.

**** Tom Cruise, my Beta Blockers help me no end. Believe what you want tbh.

Logical Fallacy

Naikon wrote: »

"Wyeth-Ayerst Pharmaceuticals"

HHHMMMM!

Ah cool, now i see where you are coming from. I'll leave you to it.

orourkeda

whiteonion wrote: »

How do you scientifically measure mental illness, it's all an arbitrary excessive in labeling people based on behavior. It was once considered that homosexuals were mentally ill. That's just an arbitrary label.

We can safely say that the field of study may not be as sophicticated as we would like, but there will be strides made. That's almost inevitable.

Writing it off at this point would be short sighted in the extreme

orourkeda

whiteonion wrote: »

A ban on psychiatric drugs.

Then what?

skelliser

orourkeda wrote: »

I know what the word science means.

Get back down off your high horse and explain to the retard here what is so stupid about what I said.

the Higgs Boson is theorized by physicists to exist but its never been seen our observed. The technology ie. the large hadron collidor only came online last year.
It is hoped that this particle will now be discovered, quantified and understood.


Now lets apply this to the study of the brain, alot is known about neurotransmitters particular serotonion. It has been observed and quantified that in a majority of depressed or other people that are suffering from mental illnesses that serotonion levels are lower then "normal" people.
Why is not understood.
The science continues.

If we accepted the OP's view we should dismiss all of the above and we may as well dismiss the higgs boson theory!
Sure why stop there! we may aswell embrace creationism!

whiteonion

orourkeda wrote: »

Then we had stuff explained away as witchcraft and all other kinds of crazy stuff.

We can safely say that the field of study may not be as sophicticated as we would like, but there will be strides made. That's almost inevitable.

Writing it off at this point would be short sighted in the extreme

I write of astrology, alchemy and other non sciences as well. In my view psychiatry has the same scientific basis as astrology.

whiteonion

orourkeda wrote: »

Then what?

Let so called mentally ill people deal with their problems in other ways.

starviewadams

whiteonion wrote: »

A ban on psychiatric drugs.

Yeah perfect,I'll go back to not sleeping for 4/5 days and going into mania,moron.

whiteonion

starviewadams wrote: »

Yeah perfect,I'll go back to not sleeping for 4/5 days and going into mania,moron.

Drugs are not the answers to your problems, do you have any idea what that stuff will do to your inner organs in the long run?

orourkeda

whiteonion wrote: »

Let so called mentally ill people deal with their problems in other ways.

What other ways?

Chuck Stone

Buceph wrote: »

And it's also testable, in the sense that when certain things are applied to said ailments, there is a statistically significant outcome.

Proof of beneficial outcome?

You're either ignorant of what psychiatry is, or conspiracy theory nutter.

Please elaborate on what you mean by this? Are you saying 'if you don't accept that psychiatry is a field of expertise then you are nuts'

If so you are saying 'because you don't believe that people have the power to deem you 'nuts' then you are a 'nutter'.

Kinda reminds me of the Monty Python witch burning logic. :rolleyes:

whiteonion

orourkeda wrote: »

What other ways?

Meditation, excersice - vitamin d etc