Abolish democracy in Ireland

whiteonion

A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

Bucklesman

Screw that, just inform people better.

ei.sdraob

whiteonion wrote: »

Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

too late...

whiteonion

Ireland is still formally ruled by elected officials. This will have to change.

new here

If a democracy as "lead to" the collapse of the economy... I don't want to imagine what will happen if a bunch of people that none of the public don't want (and don't have to follow any of the wants/needs of the public) are put into power.

Paparazzo

Install a green party dictatorship and let the fun begin

ei.sdraob

Winston Churchill wrote:

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried

We need democracy.

What we dont need is the collective punishment being netted by EU,
Yes it is partly deserved when it comes to out of control expenditure,
but No it is not deserved when it comes to the banking mess in which the electorare had no part.

Yes democracy produces bad results at times, such as Nazi Germany, but instead of punishing the Germans the US procedeed to give them aid which resulted in the country rebuilding and avoiding yet another european war, I sure hope the Germans remember the lessons of own history before being to rush to judge Ireland, our crime was not murdering millions but some of us taking on too much credit (happily supplied by same Germans) in order to have a better life.

whiteonion

The Irish populace voted for low taxes and high public sector spending in form of inflated salaries. Now they don't want any cuts. The Irish populace behave like children. There is a reason why even in democratic country we don't let children vote. Until people in Ireland start behaving like mature adults there should be no democracy in this country.

chalkitdown

If everyone eligible actually voted then the system would probably be more representative.
I would be in favour of compelling people to vote.

ei.sdraob

whiteonion wrote: »

The Irish populace voted for low taxes and high public sector spending in form of inflated salaries. Now they don't want any cuts. The Irish populace behave like children.

Yes they have when it came to public over-spending

but public debt is only half of the total debt clocked up

The electorate had no say in the way private banks where run, neither where they consulted when it came to the whole sale socialisation of bank manure.

Biggins

I'm tired of Whiteonions stupid threads!

Wolfe Tone

Damn fascists

admiralofthefleet

whiteonion wrote: »

The Irish populace voted for low taxes and high public sector spending in form of inflated salaries. Now they don't want any cuts. The Irish populace behave like children. There is a reason why even in democratic country we don't let children vote. Until people in Ireland start behaving like mature adults there should be no democracy in this country.

get off your soapbox

Sonics2k

As long as we have a Referendum before hand to decide.

Mike 1972

chalkitdown wrote: »

If everyone eligible actually voted then the system would probably be more representative..

+1

chalkitdown wrote: »

I would be in favour of compelling people to vote.

-1

Daegerty

Install a Direct Democracy, abolish politicians they have proven to us time after time that they are completely incompetent

admiralofthefleet

todays top tip:
Anarchists, While Smashing Up The State, Be Careful Not To Destroy Your Dole Office

chalkitdown

Mike 1972 wrote: »

+1


-1

Why not?

F1ngers

Thread needs a poll.

charlemont

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

todays top tip:
Anarchists, While Smashing Up The State, Be Careful Not To Destroy Your Dole Office

Dont worry the Dole office is sacred land.

RichieC

:rolleyes:

I'd love to know where whiteonion is really from.

Humans eh!

whiteonion wrote: »

A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

As I have said many times before the elected politicians we have are mere window dressing to give us the appearance of democracy. Our politicians appear to fail and break promises because they are ruled by the unelected high level civil service who dictate the course and destiny of our state.

Democracy has been abolished already but the population refuse to see beyond the facade of our populist vote catchers who are still given credence when they promise crap like 'reform' 'change'.
In truth they are as impotent as a lame chick in a cattery.

Mike 1972

chalkitdown wrote: »

Why not?

Because forcing people to vote in the name of democracy equates to the exact opposite of what your proposed system puports to stand for.

Besides how much police resources do you think should be dedicated to chasing up non-voters who turn out to be Dead/sick/abroad/etc ?

Daegerty wrote: »

Install a Direct Democracy, abolish politicians

-1000

RichieC

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Because forcing people to vote in the name of democracy equates to the exact opposite of what your proposed system puports to stand for.

Besides how much police resources do you think should be dedicated to chasing up non-voters who turn out to be Dead/sick/abroad/etc ?



-1000

I think Austrailia has mandatory voting, complete with a fine if you fail to vote without a good excuse.

I think it's a good way to guard the system from fringe elements who certainly wont miss a vote to install whatever nutter promised them nutty things.

Mike 1972

RichieC wrote: »

I think Austrailia has mandatory voting, complete with a fine if you fail to vote without a good excuse.

You didnt answer my question.

If one doesnt vote and decline to pay the fine how much police resourses are spent chasing you up ?

And what is accepted as an excuse legally ?

RichieC wrote: »

I think it's a good way to guard the system from fringe elements who certainly wont miss a vote to install whatever nutter promised them nutty things.

On the other hand it might have exactly the opposite effect.

Daegerty

Mike 1972 wrote: »

-1000

You'll miss the politicians when they're gone?

RichieC

Mike 1972 wrote: »

You didnt answer my question.

If one doesnt vote and decline to pay the fine how much police resourses are spent chasing you up ?

And what is accepted as an excuse legally ?

well I'd imagine there would have to be some kind of system for chasing down non voters and it would obviously cost money, sure there's loads of Civil servants at a loose end, what are they doing in the local appointments commission while the hiring embargo is in place?

Mike 1972 wrote: »

On the other hand it might have exactly the opposite effect.

No, it's not going to radicalise an entire nation... I imagine the nation as a wholes political ideology would look like a nice bell curve from left to right, it would isolate the left and right loonys.

ilovesleep

I would have been in favour of compulsory voting so that whoever elected would represent the majority of the country. but i dont think it would be a good idea. there are people who have no politicial interests. god knows what kind of damage they would do with their vote. Then there are people who vote but behave like sheep. I'd be in favour of a license to vote instead. Make people earn their vote.

Hookah

Nobody voted for the loosening of financial regulations.

Nobody voted for NAMA.

Nobody voted for the bank guarantee.

Nobody voted for the EU/IMF deal.

It's a little rich blaming the voters of Ireland for the economic mess.

Mike 1972

RichieC wrote: »

No, it's not going to radicalise an entire nation...

Forcing people to do something frequently leads to a fuk you type response

RichieC wrote: »

well I'd imagine there would have to be some kind of system for chasing down non voters and it would obviously cost money...

No sh1t ?

RichieC wrote: »

sure there's loads of Civil servants at a loose end.....

:rolleyes:

TanG411

Why hasn't whiteonion been banned for trolling yet?

Read his posts, they are all troll.

Adyx

chalkitdown wrote: »

If everyone eligible actually voted then the system would probably be more representative.
I would be in favour of compelling people to vote.

That's not a proper democracy imo. If this was brought in, I would spoil my vote every time to be honest.

What's the point in forcing people to vote when the end result is the same no matter who gets elected?

Hookah

TML91 wrote: »

Why hasn't whiteonion been banned for trolling yet?

Read his posts, they are all troll.

I don't think he's trolling. I believe he believes what he says.

chalkitdown

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Because forcing people to vote in the name of democracy equates to the exact opposite of what your proposed system puports to stand for.

Besides how much police resources do you think should be dedicated to chasing up non-voters who turn out to be Dead/sick/abroad/etc ?



-1000

Compelling people to vote was part of the original basis of Greek democracy.

I agree that guards chasing people around would be a waste of resources.

The voting system is too cumbersome in its current form to implement this idea easily, but it does not need to be made a criminal offence, if you don't want to vote, don't, but you would then lose various social entitlements, dole, medical cards, ect.

There should of course be a 'no', or 'none of the above' button, which would allow you to escape any penalty.

ilovesleep

whiteonion wrote: »

The Irish populace voted for low taxes and high public sector spending in form of inflated salaries. Now they don't want any cuts. The Irish populace behave like children. There is a reason why even in democratic country we don't let children vote. Until people in Ireland start behaving like mature adults there should be no democracy in this country.

Thats a load of sh1te.
In the 07 elections politicial parties were offering the earth, the moon, the sun and the stars except for the green party who were purposing water charges, and a property tax for environmental reasons afaik ie offering to take money away from us. And the green party got in, but got in as a minoriaty. But that would tell me that attitudes were indeed changing by 07.

RichieC

how about we issue a dongle to every voter in the country that allows you to log into a computer and vote from there rather than the antiquated system we use now.

Mike 1972

chalkitdown wrote: »

The voting system is too cumbersome in its current form to implement this idea easily, but it does not need to be made a criminal offence, if you don't want to vote, don't, but you would then lose various social entitlements, dole, medical cards, ect..

If this proposed law is such a good idea why should those who arent in receipt of state benefits (there are a few of us left) escape sanction

chalkitdown wrote: »

There should of course be a 'no', or 'none of the above' button.

There already is.

RichieC wrote: »

how about we issue a dongle to every voter in the country that allows you to log into a computer and vote from there rather than the antiquated system we use now.

First off you advocate persecuting those who cant/wont leave their house to cast a vote and now you advocate indulging them ?

chalkitdown

Mike 1972 wrote: »

If this proposed law is such a good idea why should those who arent in receipt of state benefits (there are a few of us left) escape sanction


There already is.



First off you advocate persecuting those who cant/wont leave their house to cast a vote and now you advocate indulging them ?

I was only using dole and medical as examples, if you don't want to participate in society fair enough, but you'd be living on your own resources.

I am fully in favour of electronic voting, as in real electronic voting, not the type already proposed, which was electronic counting. You would not have to leave the house.

ColeTrain

whiteonion wrote: »

A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

You better pray Communism never comes into play here. They didn't take too kindly to trolling, it would be the slave labour farm for you boy.

RichieC

Mike 1972 wrote: »

First off you advocate persecuting those who cant/wont leave their house to cast a vote and now you advocate indulging them ?

Not seeing your logic here nor its connection to what I've said previously, it's just a proposal for a modernised voting system.

Mike 1972

What is wrong with the current system ?

The last attempt to "update" it didnt go so well.

RichieC

Mike 1972 wrote: »

What is wrong with the current system ?

The last attempt to "update" it didnt go so well.

It's clumsy and outdated, we all own computers now.

chalkitdown

Mike 1972 wrote: »

What is wrong with the current system ?

The last attempt to "update" it didnt go so well.

The current system leads to minorities ruling the majority, not even close to true democracy.

I agree, the last attempt was a joke, not unlike most proposals from politicians.

Mike 1972

RichieC wrote: »

It's clumsy and outdated.

Not bright and shiny enough for you ?

RichieC wrote: »

we all own computers now.

We all make sweeping generalisations too.

deman

whiteonion wrote: »

A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

Let's vote on it.

Merch

whiteonion wrote: »

A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

I agree, except democracy? what democracy, we vote every 5 years, what do you get for it. A semblance of democracy.

Humans eh! wrote: »

As I have said many times before the elected politicians we have are mere window dressing to give us the appearance of democracy. Our politicians appear to fail and break promises because they are ruled by the unelected high level civil service who dictate the course and destiny of our state.

Democracy has been abolished already but the population refuse to see beyond the facade of our populist vote catchers who are still given credence when they promise crap like 'reform' 'change'.
In truth they are as impotent as a lame chick in a cattery.

I hate when anyone says (especially politicians) anything about democracy or sovereignty, its a figment.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

You didnt answer my question.

If one doesnt vote and decline to pay the fine how much police resourses are spent chasing you up ?

None, tie PPS no.s to voting register, if you dont vote your tax credits or SW payments are reduced, then everyone would follow it up. There needs to be some social development classes for kids through school, so they understand what voting means (the importance of it) not how many senators there are or the structure of government. Voting register needs to be sorted anyway, cant have one person having more than one vote!

Daegerty wrote: »

You'll miss the politicians when they're gone?

what like lowry and callaley?

Now get back to your plebian distractions, watch football, watch corrie, watch cribs democracy my hole

AckwelFoley

If democracy doesnt works, what does work?

Anyone that can suggest that we have a country ran by those not elected or answerable to the electorate are either retarded or a lazy troll

An if you want to say that our current politicians are not answerable to the nation thats just a lazy response..there are alot of former FF ang Greens out of a job now

smk89

Hookah wrote: »

I don't think he's trolling. I believe he believes what he says.

Then may god have mercy on us all!

Biggins

Hookah wrote: »

I don't think he's trolling. I believe he believes what he says.

:pac:

You clearly haven't seen his other posts then. Utter baiting rubbish - repeatedly.
No wonder this thread was kicked out of the politics forum.

Hookah

Biggins wrote: »

:pac:

You clearly haven't seen his other posts then. Utter baiting rubbish - repeatedly.

He's the master of baiting then?

RichieC

Hookah wrote: »

He's the master of baiting then?

no, no he's not.