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Abolish democracy in Ireland

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  • #32
    Adyx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    chalkitdown wrote: »
    If everyone eligible actually voted then the system would probably be more representative.
    I would be in favour of compelling people to vote.

    That's not a proper democracy imo. If this was brought in, I would spoil my vote every time to be honest.

    What's the point in forcing people to vote when the end result is the same no matter who gets elected?


  • #33
    Hookah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Hookah


    TML91 wrote: »
    Why hasn't whiteonion been banned for trolling yet?

    Read his posts, they are all troll.

    I don't think he's trolling. I believe he believes what he says.


  • #34
    chalkitdown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭chalkitdown


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Because forcing people to vote in the name of democracy equates to the exact opposite of what your proposed system puports to stand for.

    Besides how much police resources do you think should be dedicated to chasing up non-voters who turn out to be Dead/sick/abroad/etc ?



    -1000


    Compelling people to vote was part of the original basis of Greek democracy.

    I agree that guards chasing people around would be a waste of resources.

    The voting system is too cumbersome in its current form to implement this idea easily, but it does not need to be made a criminal offence, if you don't want to vote, don't, but you would then lose various social entitlements, dole, medical cards, ect.

    There should of course be a 'no', or 'none of the above' button, which would allow you to escape any penalty.


  • #35
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    whiteonion wrote: »
    The Irish populace voted for low taxes and high public sector spending in form of inflated salaries. Now they don't want any cuts. The Irish populace behave like children. There is a reason why even in democratic country we don't let children vote. Until people in Ireland start behaving like mature adults there should be no democracy in this country.

    Thats a load of sh1te.
    In the 07 elections politicial parties were offering the earth, the moon, the sun and the stars except for the green party who were purposing water charges, and a property tax for environmental reasons afaik ie offering to take money away from us. And the green party got in, but got in as a minoriaty. But that would tell me that attitudes were indeed changing by 07.


  • #36
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    how about we issue a dongle to every voter in the country that allows you to log into a computer and vote from there rather than the antiquated system we use now.


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  • #37
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    chalkitdown wrote: »
    The voting system is too cumbersome in its current form to implement this idea easily, but it does not need to be made a criminal offence, if you don't want to vote, don't, but you would then lose various social entitlements, dole, medical cards, ect..

    If this proposed law is such a good idea why should those who arent in receipt of state benefits (there are a few of us left) escape sanction
    chalkitdown wrote: »
    There should of course be a 'no', or 'none of the above' button.
    There already is.
    RichieC wrote: »
    how about we issue a dongle to every voter in the country that allows you to log into a computer and vote from there rather than the antiquated system we use now.

    First off you advocate persecuting those who cant/wont leave their house to cast a vote and now you advocate indulging them ?


  • #38
    chalkitdown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭chalkitdown


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    If this proposed law is such a good idea why should those who arent in receipt of state benefits (there are a few of us left) escape sanction


    There already is.



    First off you advocate persecuting those who cant/wont leave their house to cast a vote and now you advocate indulging them ?

    I was only using dole and medical as examples, if you don't want to participate in society fair enough, but you'd be living on your own resources.

    I am fully in favour of electronic voting, as in real electronic voting, not the type already proposed, which was electronic counting. You would not have to leave the house.


  • #39
    ColeTrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    whiteonion wrote: »
    A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

    We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

    A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

    We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

    You better pray Communism never comes into play here. They didn't take too kindly to trolling, it would be the slave labour farm for you boy.


  • #40
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Mike 1972 wrote: »

    First off you advocate persecuting those who cant/wont leave their house to cast a vote and now you advocate indulging them ?

    Not seeing your logic here nor its connection to what I've said previously, it's just a proposal for a modernised voting system.


  • #41
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    What is wrong with the current system ?

    The last attempt to "update" it didnt go so well.


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  • #42
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    What is wrong with the current system ?

    The last attempt to "update" it didnt go so well.

    It's clumsy and outdated, we all own computers now.


  • #43
    chalkitdown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭chalkitdown


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    What is wrong with the current system ?

    The last attempt to "update" it didnt go so well.

    The current system leads to minorities ruling the majority, not even close to true democracy.

    I agree, the last attempt was a joke, not unlike most proposals from politicians.


  • #44
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    RichieC wrote: »
    It's clumsy and outdated.

    Not bright and shiny enough for you ?

    RichieC wrote: »
    we all own computers now.
    We all make sweeping generalisations too.


  • #45
    deman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭deman


    whiteonion wrote: »
    A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

    We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

    A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

    We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.
    Let's vote on it.


  • #46
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    whiteonion wrote: »
    A democracy can only work if you have a well informed populace who votes in the best interest of the country.

    We have seen what democracy in Ireland has led to, the total collapse of the entire economy. It's obvious to me that Irish people in general are unfit to govern themselves.

    A democratically elected government will not be able to do what is necessary to get this country back on it's feet.

    We should abolish democracy in Ireland all together. Throw out all the politicians and install leadership from Germany.

    I agree, except democracy? what democracy, we vote every 5 years, what do you get for it. A semblance of democracy.
    Humans eh! wrote: »
    As I have said many times before the elected politicians we have are mere window dressing to give us the appearance of democracy. Our politicians appear to fail and break promises because they are ruled by the unelected high level civil service who dictate the course and destiny of our state.

    Democracy has been abolished already but the population refuse to see beyond the facade of our populist vote catchers who are still given credence when they promise crap like 'reform' 'change'.
    In truth they are as impotent as a lame chick in a cattery.

    I hate when anyone says (especially politicians) anything about democracy or sovereignty, its a figment.
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    You didnt answer my question.

    If one doesnt vote and decline to pay the fine how much police resourses are spent chasing you up     ?

    None, tie PPS no.s to voting register, if you dont vote your tax credits or SW payments are reduced, then everyone would follow it up. There needs to be some social development classes for kids through school, so they understand what voting means (the importance of it) not how many senators there are or the structure of government. Voting register needs to be sorted anyway, cant have one person having more than one vote!
    Daegerty wrote: »
    You'll miss the politicians when they're gone?
    what like lowry and callaley?

    Now get back to your plebian distractions, watch football, watch corrie, watch cribs democracy my hole


  • #47
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    If democracy doesnt works, what does work?

    Anyone that can suggest that we have a country ran by those not elected or answerable to the electorate are either retarded or a lazy troll

    An if you want to say that our current politicians are not answerable to the nation thats just a lazy response..there are alot of former FF ang Greens out of a job now


  • #48
    smk89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭smk89


    Hookah wrote: »
    I don't think he's trolling. I believe he believes what he says.

    Then may god have mercy on us all!


  • #49
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Hookah wrote: »
    I don't think he's trolling. I believe he believes what he says.
    :pac:

    You clearly haven't seen his other posts then. Utter baiting rubbish - repeatedly.
    No wonder this thread was kicked out of the politics forum.


  • #50
    Hookah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Hookah


    Biggins wrote: »
    :pac:

    You clearly haven't seen his other posts then. Utter baiting rubbish - repeatedly.

    He's the master of baiting then?


  • #51
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Hookah wrote: »
    He's the master of baiting then?

    no, no he's not.


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  • #52
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Hookah wrote: »
    He's the master of baiting then?
    Far from it.

    FAR, far from it!


  • #53
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Merch wrote: »
    None, tie PPS no.s to voting register, if you dont vote your tax credits or SW payments are reduced, then everyone would follow it up fiddle their taxes.

    FYP


  • #54
    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    It's obvious that democracy in Ireland has failed because of irrational voters and because of corrupt politicians. Therefore Ireland should be governed by rational people from Germany.


  • #55
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    whiteonion wrote: »
    It's obvious that democracy in Ireland has failed because of irrational voters and because of corrupt politicians. Therefore Ireland should be governed by rational people from Germany.

    They've only been rational since 1945.


  • #56
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    whiteonion wrote: »
    ...Therefore Ireland should be governed by rational people from Germany.
    I'll tell you one thing - you make me laugh! :pac:


  • #57
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    We are some little 'democracy' alright, we vote no to Lisbon the first time around. But oh no, our vote wasn't acceptable to our overlords so we had to have a second vote. That's real democracy in action :rolleyes:.


  • #58
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    whiteonion wrote: »
    It's obvious that democracy in Ireland has failed because of irrational voters and because of corrupt politicians. Therefore Ireland should be governed by rational people from Germany.

    Id be happy if we were governed by rational irish people, but it seems irish people are not rational, just selfish and short sighted, in its absence Id accept being governed by rational people from anywhere
    ejmaztec wrote: »
    They've only been rational since 1945.

    Thats good enough for me, Im not trying to hold a nation to account for what happened 78-66 years ago, when most of the people around then are not even alive now.


  • #59
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    We are some little 'democracy' alright, we vote no to Lisbon the first time around. But oh no, our vote wasn't acceptable to our overlords so we had to have a second vote. That's real democracy in action :rolleyes:.

    And the fact that it wasn't even the first time that happened makes it even funnier..


  • #60
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Merch wrote: »
    Id be happy if we were governed by rational irish people, but it seems irish people are not rational, just selfish and short sighted, in its absence Id accept being governed by rational people from anywhere...
    In fairness, some me rational people that exist entirely in any country and you will be showing me utopia.

    Nice idea and one to head towards in aspiration, we are however human and thus fallible.


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  • #61
    Merch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Merch


    Biggins wrote: »
    In fairness, some me rational people that exist entirely in any country and you will be showing me utopia.

    Nice idea and one to head towards in aspiration, we are however human and thus fallible.

    I agree that that cannot exist, we seem to be the polar opposite to some continental nations, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, maybe I have a romantic view of them, but while we seem short sighted, they seem to have a social conscience.


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