Placebo fraud

whiteonion

http://www.annals.org/content/153/8/532.abstract
You hear frequently about "medical research" being done where they say pill X performs much better than placebo, but what if all this medical research is just a big fraud?

In the reports being released they don't have to tell what the actual placebo is. The placebo itself can affect the outcome of the clinical trials.
http://www.naturalnews.com/030209_placebo_medical_fraud.html
http://www.annals.org/content/153/8/532.abstract

Conventional medicine is all a big fraud.

Retrovertigo

Very interesting.

Now go outside and enjoy the sunshine.

enda1

If it wasn't for conventional medicine, I would now be in total kidney failure and die of blood poisoning. So in as kind a manner as I can manage,
OP,
Go fuck yourself

Mod
User Banned.

Captain_Generic

Retrovertigo wrote: »

Very interesting.

Now go outside and enjoy the sunshine.

Forget the suncream, its all a big conspiracy, there's no such thing as skin cancer

Sonics2k

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Forget the suncream, its all a big conspiracy, there's no such thing as skin cancer

The Sun itself is part of the conspiracy!

whiteonion

enda1 wrote: »

If it wasn't for conventional medicine, I would now be in total kidney failure and die of blood poisoning. So in as kind a manner as I can manage,
OP,
Go fuck yourself

Did you even bother reading the articles?

Joey the lips

I agree with the OP. Dr Richard Kimble discovered that they switched the samples. Provasic was not the wonder drug and there really was a man with a mechanical arm.

:pac:

pow wow

whiteonion wrote: »

Did you even bother reading the articles?

Do you ever bother starting threads about things that aren't some corporate conspiracy in your head?

smk89

The more you know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfRVCaA5o18

kieran26

There is a conspiracy theory forum for a reason OP! (winky face)

scum01

that is slightly worrying, but at the same time all it really means is that the drugs are slightly less effective than what was previously thought?

once the drugs are doing what it says on the tin who really cares?

whiteonion

This is not a conspiracy theory it's a fact.

Donny5

enda1 wrote: »

If it wasn't for conventional medicine, I would now be in total kidney failure and die of blood poisoning. So in as kind a manner as I can manage,
OP,
Go fuck yourself

You know, I don't agree with the Op's nutcasery, but there is a lot of obfuscation and poor research methadology in a lot of the Big Pharma studies. It's not, at least not in my opinion, a conspiracy, but it is the profit motivation making itself felt in the sciences.

It's almost expected, to be honest. The pharmaceutical companies exist to generate profit, and, like man industries, that's doesn't always lead to the best outcomes for their customers, but there's also government failures here. Research should be repeatable, but clinical trials are very expensive, and no one in the private sector can afford to rerun them just to check results, but government could. A Europe-wide collaboration could make it almost affrodable, too, and would root out a lot of junk science in the medical field.

Conventional medicine is all a big fraud eh?

Let's take a minute to consider what we are referring to when we say "conventional medicine".

It consists of treatments that have been shown to be effective. If a new treatment comes along and can be shown to be effective it becomes a part of conventional medicine.

Treatments that cannot be shown to be effective are left outside and form what we call "alternative medicine".

Now remind us which one is the big fraud?

dvpower

whiteonion wrote: »

Conventional medicine is all a big fraud.

whiteonion wrote: »

This is not a conspiracy theory it's a fact.

'course it is.;)

Super-Rush

Moved from After Hours.

upandcumming

OP, your threads, as well as UsernameInUse's, need to be moderated before being allowed to go up.

Donny5

enda1 wrote: »

If it wasn't for conventional medicine, I would now be in total kidney failure and die of blood poisoning. So in as kind a manner as I can manage,
OP,
Go fuck yourself

You know, I don't agree with the Op's nutcasery, but there is a lot of obfuscation and poor research methadology in a lot of the Big Pharma studies. It's not, at least not in my opinion, a conspiracy, but it is the profit motivation making itself felt in the sciences.

It's almost expected, to be honest. The pharmaceutical companies exist to generate profit, and, like man industries, that's doesn't always lead to the best outcomes for their customers, but there's also government failures here. Research should be repeatable, but clinical trials are very expensive, and no one in the private sector can afford to rerun them just to check results, but government could. A Europe-wide collaboration could make it almost affrodable, too, and would root out a lot of junk science in the medical field.

fontanalis

When someone used the prefix big for their bogeyman of choice, it's usually a sign to ignore them.

Donny5

fontanalis wrote: »

When someone used the prefix big for their bogeyman of choice, it's usually a sign to ignore them.

You are an idiot. Big Pharma is a synonym for the pharmaceutical lobby.

Talk E

Onion has a point....

A senior executive with Britain's biggest drugs company has admitted that most prescription medicines do not work on most people who take them.
Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1208-02.htm

whiteonion

"Five out of six approved drugs offer "few if any new benefits" to patients, according to a leading critic of the pharmaceutical industry. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7950612/Five-out-of-six-new-prescription-drugs-dont-work-doctor-claims.html The facts are obvious that the drugs don't work and the reason that these drugs get good results in clinical trials is because of pure fraud such as using a placebo that will change the outcome of the trial. Why are people so blind? Why do they trust Big Pharma to act in their best interests? With people being so stupid it's no wonder that Ireland is going down the toilet.

Talk E

It's gone quiet in here all of a pudding.

smk89

whiteonion wrote: »

"Five out of six approved drugs offer "few if any new benefits" to patients, according to a leading critic of the pharmaceutical industry. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7950612/Five-out-of-six-new-prescription-drugs-dont-work-doctor-claims.html The facts are obvious that the drugs don't work and the reason that these drugs get good results in clinical trials is because of pure fraud such as using a placebo that will change the outcome of the trial. Why are people so blind? Why do they trust Big Pharma to act in their best interests? With people being so stupid it's no wonder that Ireland is going down the toilet.

Do you really trust the telegraph over say a peer reviewed source? The "leading critic of the pharmaceutical industry" you mention in the article is a professor of sociology! Sociology is the study of society not drug interaction.

The article was written by Stephen Adams a journalist whose used to write for the arts section of the paper. Hardly a qualified source.
Call me a square but I think I'll trust the doctor and my own judgement.

33

People underestimate the inbuilt immune system, some drugs do save lives, some make people worse and dependant for the rest of their lives.
Drugs are over prescribed and pushed on people, and totally over used and over prescribed, such as antibiotics which have created superbugs which are immune to the drugs.
With the ever increasing amount of wonder drugs being invented and pushed by above the law drug pushers will lead to more disease and superbugs.
Everybody has the right to choose whether to take them or not, but people should be aware of the fact that without sickness the pharmacutical companies would be out of business, thats a big no,no in any business.

It's a similar situation to computer antivirus creators, they create the majority of computer virus's, thats business and the pharmacutical business aint any different.

Some drugs are nesessary to heal, but the dangers of most illnesses are hyped up and the body with adequate nutrition, vitamins, minerals and exercise can and does fight almost all illnesses much more effective than any drug, nature has everything required, but big business will rubbish any alternative treatment.

Ignorance is big businesses best friend.

33

I cant thank any posts but there are a few that I would have.

upandcumming

33 wrote: »

People underestimate the inbuilt immune system, some drugs do save lives, some make people worse and dependant for the rest of their lives.
Drugs are over prescribed and pushed on people, and totally over used and over prescribed, such as antibiotics which have created superbugs which are immune to the drugs.
With the ever increasing amount of wonder drugs being invented and pushed by above the law drug pushers will lead to more disease and superbugs.
Everybody has the right to choose whether to take them or not, but people should be aware of the fact that without sickness the pharmacutical companies would be out of business, thats a big no,no in any business.

It's a similar situation to computer antivirus creators, they create the majority of computer virus's, thats business and the pharmacutical business aint any different.

Some drugs are nesessary to heal, but the dangers of most illnesses are hyped up and the body with adequate nutrition, vitamins, minerals and exercise can and does fight almost all illnesses much more effective than any drug, nature has everything required, but big business will rubbish any alternative treatment.

Ignorance is big businesses best friend.

It is the overuse of antibiotics that lead to immunity.

And the bit about the Anti-Virus creators is crap.

33

upandcumming wrote: »

It is the overuse of antibiotics that lead to immunity.

And the bit about the Anti-Virus creators is crap.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, your first line is correct, a runny nose can lead to a course of antibiotics by a doctor, which is wrong as we need infections to build a better immune system, it has learned what is good and what is bad since homosapians existed, but for every minor infection they are not needed at all but are prescribed, we have inside what is needed to fight these without outside help, put it this way, a kid comes up to you with a knife and tries to mug you, if you have the ability and will he's on the deck with his blade up his ass or you can call a gang with glocks to try blast him to death, some will deck him and stick it where the sun dont shine, while others will call in the gang when it's not really necessary.

The second line is that you called crap isn't, it's business and money, the more viruses the better for makers of antivirus software, if you insist it's crap I'll try show you it's not, I know a bit about it, not from the corporate side like you seem to get your information, but from the real side.

Just download any free virus scan, install it, you will be shown umpteen viruses that are on your computer, the majority of which were slipstreamed in with the install, and low and behold the only way to rid your computer of these is to buy the full version.

Antivirus software is a scam, I and others can create simple viruses or more advanced ones, but it's fairly basic stuff, I can bypass most antivirus software by simply sliding or digging it under the fence that is antivirus, a simple google will show you how to do it. I have installed all the best antivirus software available and created simple viruses using nothing more than notepad and got through them very easily, all operating systems are easily infected, the victim may open a picture and in the back is an attached .bat file, script that is NOT detected.

If you would like me to prove it pm me your email, give me permission to attempt it and open the mail I send you, then do whatever you want on your computer for 15 minutes and then I will show you your activity and tell you to format your computer to erase what I just sent you in disguise.
It's so simple I no longer use antivirus, I just reformat my HDD whenever I feel like it, or switch HDD I have a lot of them.
Every security agency on the planet can do it, so can you, if you take the time to learn it, although they have technology the average user doesnt, but we can get close to what they have.

I went off track there a little, but bottom line is antivirus business create business for them selves, if I created an antivirus software I'd like some customers, no virus no custom.

upandcumming

33 wrote: »

The second line is that you called crap isn't, it's business and money, the more viruses the better for makers of antivirus software, if you insist it's crap I'll try show you it's not, I know a bit about it, not from the corporate side like you seem to get your information, but from the real side.

You can tell from one line where I get my information? Well done.

33 wrote: »

Just download any free virus scan, install it, you will be shown umpteen viruses that are on your computer, the majority of which were slipstreamed in with the install, and low and behold the only way to rid your computer of these is to buy the full version.

No it won't. What you're talking about are those rogue anti-virus programs.
I assume you've never heard of AVG or avast anti-virus?

33 wrote: »

Antivirus software is a scam, I and others can create simple viruses or more advanced ones, but it's fairly basic stuff, I can bypass most antivirus software by simply sliding or digging it under the fence that is antivirus, a simple google will show you how to do it. I have installed all the best antivirus software available and created simple viruses using nothing more than notepad and got through them very easily, all operating systems are easily infected, the victim may open a picture and in the back is an attached .bat file, script that is NOT detected.

Believe it or not, I can too all of that, and have done. And you need nothing more than notepad to create a virus, or most bits of software and scripts.

33 wrote: »

If you would like me to prove it pm me your email, give me permission to attempt it and open the mail I send you, then do whatever you want on your computer for 15 minutes and then I will show you your activity and tell you to format your computer to erase what I just sent you in disguise.
It's so simple I no longer use antivirus, I just reformat my HDD whenever I feel like it, or switch HDD I have a lot of them.
Every security agency on the planet can do it, so can you, if you take the time to learn it, although they have technology the average user doesnt, but we can get close to what they have.

I went off track there a little, but bottom line is antivirus business create business for them selves, if I created an antivirus software I'd like some customers, no virus no custom.

So I did just like you said, I downloaded AVG and I had three things come up. One was BitTorrent's out of date signature, and two were keygens I downloaded! Three nothings are a bit short of umpteen.
That scan just took care of a year and a half of being without anti-virus.
Can you imagine the fall-out if Microsoft, McAfee, Symatec, Eset, Kaspersky were found out to be creating viruses? Think about it. Just think about it!

clever_name

Talk E wrote: »

Onion has a point....



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1208-02.htm

A few points about that link, first it does not state that medicine does not work in general but that different people respond to different medicines better.

also consider that Dr. Roses setup a company to do genetic testing of patients to see what drug would be most effective and wanted the rest of the medical community to join him, this would make a lot of money for his company, possibly a new conspiracy theory for you.

clever_name

whiteonion wrote: »

Conventional medicine is all a big fraud.

Have you ever broken a bone? If so please answer the following

How was it splinting it yourself? unless it was a compound fracture you might have been wrong about it being broken, hard to tell without an x-ray sometimes, so how did you confirm the break?

have you ever had a tooth removed? if so please answer the following

Did it hurt much without the anesthetic? was there any infection and if so what did you treat it with?

I am presuming that if any of these things did happen to you that you did not ask anyone involved in conventional medicine for help?

Do you believe in alternative medicine?

If so it would be useful if you could give a breakdown of what you fell is conventional vs alternative.

Talk E

clever_name wrote: »

A few points about that link, first it does not state that medicine does not work in general but that different people respond to different medicines better.

Yeah, it's the patients who are broken, not the prescription.

clever_name wrote: »

also consider that Dr. Roses setup a company to do genetic testing of patients to see what drug would be most effective and wanted the rest of the medical community to join him, this would make a lot of money for his company, possibly a new conspiracy theory for you.

Consider it considered. :rolleyes:

A few points and a consideration all in one, great.

Talk E

Pharmaceutical drugs causing spike in diseases they supposedly treat

(NaturalNews) A recent U.S. News & World Report piece highlights new studies that point to serious problems down the road for the over-medicated population. According to reports, more than 60 percent of American adults now take at least one drug every day for a chronic health problem, and more than half of seniors take at least three medications every day. But the end result is more diseases like diabetes, heart disease, obesity, arthritis and cancer.

While some disease rates have declined over the years, many others have rapidly increased in their place, even though a lot more people take pharmaceutical drugs than they used to. The cause, say many, is the drugs themselves. And experts fear that millions of people are being over-diagnosed and over-medicated due to aggressive, uncontrolled marketing by drug companies, which is exacerbating the problem even more.

Most of the approved drugs on the market today are backed by studies very limited in scope. Besides having been manipulated to show favorable results, most studies evaluate the effects of drugs on a very limited cross-section of people with isolated illness symptoms, and for a very short period of time. Little, if any, consideration is given to the long-term effects of such drugs on a wide spectrum of diverse people.

Another major problem is off-label prescription practices in which doctors prescribe drugs for conditions the drugs were not meant to treat. And drug companies themselves play a major role in making this happen by literally paying doctors to recommend certain drugs to their patients, even if the drugs are unnecessary. A great example of this was identified in a government report back in March that found that 22 percent of Massachusetts nursing home residents had been prescribed antipsychotic medications for conditions they did not have.

Some experts are calling on regulatory reform to end the cozy relationship between agencies like the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and drug companies, which many now recognize as a primary cause of the problem.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032016_pharmas_disease.html
Sources for this story include:
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/diabetes/articles/2010/10/07/overmedication-are-americans-taking-too-many-drugs.html

Talk E

clever_name wrote: »

Have you ever broken a bone? If so please answer the following

How was it splinting it yourself? unless it was a compound fracture you might have been wrong about it being broken, hard to tell without an x-ray sometimes, so how did you confirm the break?

have you ever had a tooth removed? if so please answer the following

Did it hurt much without the anesthetic? was there any infection and if so what did you treat it with?

I am presuming that if any of these things did happen to you that you did not ask anyone involved in conventional medicine for help?

Do you believe in alternative medicine?

If so it would be useful if you could give a breakdown of what you fell is conventional vs alternative.

Some amazing questions there just dying to be answered.

please answer the following

What time is it ?

oh yeah 11:16

doesn't matter

Donny5

33 wrote: »

If you would like me to prove it pm me your email, give me permission to attempt it and open the mail I send you, then do whatever you want on your computer for 15 minutes and then I will show you your activity and tell you to format your computer to erase what I just sent you in disguise.

I'd like you to show me this, please. You can e-mail me at donal@netsoc.com.

Talk E

Talk E wrote: »

http://www.naturalnews.com/032016_pharmas_disease.html

So leaving aside the what the article says, how come you think this site is reliable when it very very clearly has an interest in spreading distrust in mainstream medicine?
How come this crowd are immune to the same accusations of big pharma?

Talk E

King Mob wrote: »

So leaving aside the what the article says, how come you think this site is reliable when it very very clearly has an interest in spreading distrust in mainstream medicine?
How come this crowd are immune to the same accusations of big pharma?

Coz their Natural man

Talk E

Talk E wrote: »

Coz their Natural man

So a serious answer out of the question then?

You'd think this question was a deep philosophical riddle it's so often left unanswered.

clever_name

Talk E wrote: »

Some amazing questions there just dying to be answered.

please answer the following

What time is it ?

oh yeah 11:16

doesn't matter

Why does it not matter?

I was asking whiteonion some questions based on the quote

whiteonion wrote: »

Conventional medicine is all a big fraud.

As a result I tried to find out if whiteonion had ever used "conventional medicine".

I think whiteonions useage (or not) of conventional medicne is at the heart of this thread.

Its not important to you and thats fine but I'm interested and I will allow whiteonion to respond or not.

Talk E

I hope it's ok if I answer this.

clever_name wrote: »

Have you ever broken a bone? If so please answer the following

no

clever_name wrote: »

How was it splinting it yourself? unless it was a compound fracture you might have been wrong about it being broken, hard to tell without an x-ray sometimes, so how did you confirm the break?

no

clever_name wrote: »

have you ever had a tooth removed? if so please answer the following

no

clever_name wrote: »

Did it hurt much without the anesthetic? was there any infection and if so what did you treat it with?

no

clever_name wrote: »

I am presuming that if any of these things did happen to you that you did not ask anyone involved in conventional medicine for help?

no

clever_name wrote: »

Do you believe in alternative medicine?

no

clever_name wrote: »

If so it would be useful if you could give a breakdown of what you fell is conventional vs alternative.

and no.

Talk E

King Mob wrote: »

So a serious answer out of the question then?

You'd think this question was a deep philosophical riddle it's so often left unanswered.

Ok i'll go along with this for a minute..

So leaving aside the what the article says, how come you think this site is reliable when it very very clearly has an interest in spreading distrust in mainstream medicine?
How come this crowd are immune to the same accusations of big pharma?

You are suggesting that the website that is warning us of the dangers associated with big pharma and their products are actually benafitting from the same agenda as big pharma ?

Now who's the conspiracy theorist ?

I think it's clear to see what's going on here.....

Talk E

Talk E wrote: »

Ok i'll go along with this for a minute..

You are suggesting that the website that is warning us of the dangers associated with big pharma and their products are actually benafitting from the same agenda as big pharma ?

Now who's the conspiracy theorist ?

I think it's clear to see what's going on here.....

Still not an answer to the question.

I'm suggesting that they are spreading fear and uncertainty which causes people to loose confidence in mainstream medicine, and that they are also selling their own products as an alternative to mainstream medicine.
I doubt you'll dispute these facts.

Now given that this clearly shows they would have a reason to make up or distort information, just as you believe that Big Pharma does, aren't they vulnerable to the same corruption as mainstream doctors thus untrustworthy?
If not, why not?

Talk E

King Mob wrote: »

Still not an answer to the question.

King Mob wrote: »

I'm suggesting that they are spreading fear and uncertainty which causes people to loose confidence in mainstream medicine, and that they are also selling their own products as an alternative to mainstream medicine.
I doubt you'll dispute these facts.

If it werent for these damned sites we'd all love big pharma !!

Have you listened to yourself ?

Those words, are the words of a fanatic.

King Mob wrote: »

Now given that this clearly shows they would have a reason to make up or distort information, just as you believe that Big Pharma does, aren't they vulnerable to the same corruption as mainstream doctors thus untrustworthy?
If not, why not?

If you ! have to make up and distort information at times, dont you think they have the ability to do it too ? Maybe the ones who are really good at it collaborate at it.
They might be, and most likely are, better than you at it.

Talk E

And still haven't answered the question.

Talk E wrote: »

If it werent for these damned sites we'd all love big pharma !!

There's plenty of watchdogs out there on various levels, all of which use actual facts and science. And most importantly, don't sell you anything at the same time.

Talk E wrote: »

Have you listened to yourself ?

These are the words of a fanatic.

Why? What have I said that's fanatical?
That they are saying things that shake people's confidence in mainstream medicine?
That they sell alternatives to conventional medicine on that same site?
That there might be a conflict of interest because of these facts?

Talk E wrote: »

If you ! have to make up and distort information at times, dont you think they have the ability to do it too ? Maybe the ones who are really good at it collaborate at it.
They might be, and most likely are, better than you at it.

So anyone can be faking and distorting information however they want.
Then how do you know exactly that the guys at natural news aren't distorting and faking information?

Talk E

King Mob wrote: »

And still haven't answered the question.

King Mob wrote: »

There's plenty of watchdogs out there on various levels, all of which use actual facts and science. And most importantly, don't sell you anything at the same time.

Facts and science ? sounds all very serious now lol, Facts and science

King Mob wrote: »

Why? What have I said that's fanatical?
That they are saying things that shake people's confidence in mainstream medicine?
That they sell alternatives to conventional medicine on that same site?
That there might be a conflict of interest because of these facts?

If you have proof of this conspiracy theory you should start a new thread. Inform and alert the public, it's your duty.

King Mob wrote: »

So anyone can be faking and distorting information however they want.
Then how do you know exactly that the guys at natural news aren't distorting and faking information?

Take from NN what you will, which is nothing; by the sounds of it.

Talk E

Yet again, failing to answer the question.

Talk E wrote: »

Facts and science ? sounds all very serious now lol, Facts and science

Yea, novel concepts around here alright.

Talk E wrote: »

If you have proof of this conspiracy theory you should start a new thread. Inform and alert the public, it's your duty.

Now you see I'm just showing how your logic should also apply to these guys. But there's a reason you aren't. This is what I'm trying to figure out.

Talk E wrote: »

Take from NN what you will, which is nothing; by the sounds of it.

And this isn't an answer.
You seem to have no issue ignoring anything from mainstream medicine because they have something to gain, there should be no difference for this crowd, if you're being consistent that is.

So how do you know that anything at all is reliable from Natural News?
Do you believe they give any false or distorted information?

clever_name

Talk E wrote: »

I hope it's ok if I answer this.


no


no



no

no


no


no


and no.

Answer away but without context its pointless, do you believe, as whiteonion does, that all conventional medicine is a fraud?

If you do believe its a fraud would you do in the event of a suspected broken bone or problem tooth.

I am curious about what peoples perception of what conventional medicine is.

33

Donny5 wrote: »

I'd like you to show me this, please. You can e-mail me at donal@netsoc.com.

I said pm me it, theres bots sending allsorts to it already open them all, take all the deals and free viagra, then do a scan.

But actually I shouldn't and wouldn't do it, you can google it and try it out on your self, it's grey area material but a lot more simple than you would think.

Look at some of the more underground sites, I wont link them, google is your friend, it could be a crime to do what i proposed so I wouldn't do it after a little advice.

33

clever_name wrote: »

Answer away but without context its pointless, do you believe, as whiteonion does, that all conventional medicine is a fraud?

If you do believe its a fraud would you do in the event of a suspected broken bone or problem tooth.

I am curious about what peoples perception of what conventional medicine is.

What medacine heals bones and solves problem teeth?, a broken bone and a plaster of paris, or if you want to stay away from the conventional a splint and some vine will solve your broken bone and a little pain making sure its a good reconnection of the bone before splinting it.


Problem teeth, probably a pliers would be the less painful in the longrun, medication is available to kill the pain but not extract the tooth or repair it, good old natural vitamins, minerals, nutrient's would help a speedy recovery from the broken bone, and less crap and better dental hygiene would do beter for your teeth.

But the majority of medicine is a fraud and totally unnecessary, some has it's benefits of course, but natural is always better, good hygiene and sanitation, vaccines have done a lot more damage than good, but it's covered up, so I wont bother putting in a link, healthy people make bad customer for one of the biggest businesses in the world.

Don't anybody ask me to prove it, if people want answers to what I just said they can look themselves, I am just expressing my opinion, which I'm entitled to, and you yours.

upandcumming

33 wrote: »

I said pm me it, theres bots sending allsorts to it already open them all, take all the deals and free viagra, then do a scan.

But actually I shouldn't and wouldn't do it, you can google it and try it out on your self, it's grey area material but a lot more simple than you would think.

Look at some of the more underground sites, I wont link them, google is your friend, it could be a crime to do what i proposed so I wouldn't do it after a little advice.

No surprises here...

clever_name

33 wrote: »

What medacine heals bones and solves problem teeth?, a broken bone and a plaster of paris, or if you want to stay away from the conventional a splint and some vine will solve your broken bone and a little pain making sure its a good reconnection of the bone before splinting it.

And you would do all this yourself?, as you stated

33 wrote: »

But the majority of medicine is a fraud and totally unnecessary

So doctors spend almost all their time dealing in the unnecessary, there is no way you would trust them if thats the case, right?

33 wrote: »

Problem teeth, probably a pliers would be the less painful in the longrun

Try it and let us know how it goes, joking, pulling your own teeth can be pretty dangerous if you mess it up.

33 wrote: »

But the majority of medicine is a fraud and totally unnecessary, some has it's benefits of course, but natural is always better

So all of the doctors are in on this scam?, I mean they would have to be, if none of their patients get better as a result of the treatment they provide they must know that its all a sham.

Please let us know the natural cures and treatments (and how they compare to medical treatment) for the following;

cataracts, appendicitis, ulcers, gallstones, renal failure, septicemia, heart failure, severe burns, brain herniation & lymphoma.

33 wrote: »

healthy people make bad customer for one of the biggest businesses in the world.

Dead people are the worst customers for any business.


Lastly please answer the following questions,

If as you say "the majority of medicine is a fraud" and "natural is always better" then why are people who forsake "natural" treatment for "conventional" treatment living longer than at any time in history?

Surely if you were correct most people would be dying younger?