New Channels (possibilities)

lucernarian

Tarquin1970 wrote: »

Why is Saorview even being discussed in a Cable Tv forum?

Because the new channels as part of Saorview may make their way onto UPC. I believe RTÉ have to offer the channels to other carriers if they are interested in broadcasting them.

Antenna

Infoanon wrote: »

Its in Saorview's intersest to keep the services off UPC -

On the other hand such a policy would significantly limit the viewership of RTE News Now and RTE1 +1, these channels would have to bring in a reasonable amount of viewers to justify the cost of running the channels into the future.

Subscribers who are staying with UPC anyway are very unlikely to fork out money for the cost of Saorview box (es) and the cost of an aerial, (not too many long-term cables subscribers have a functioning TV aerial) just to get the two channels that are RTE News NOW and RTE1+1/junior (they already have 3e). They could be spending hundreds of Euro, especially in localities where only a roof-top aerial would do, to get only two extra channels with output they might only sometimes watch.

Infoanon

Antenna wrote: »

RTE News Now and RTE1 +1, these channels would have to bring in a reasonable amount of viewers to justify the cost of running the channels into the future.

Subscribers who are staying with UPC anyway are very unlikely to fork out money for the cost of Saorview box (es) and the cost of an aerial,

The cost of carrying RTE News now and RTE1+1 is minimal - its all about RTE2 HD - eg sports fans will be willing to buy saorview boxes to get this service.

The natural progression is that these buyers then realise that the majority of their other favourite channels are available for free (and the sales staff will encourage this process) and UPC start losing customers, the commercial muxs become a vaible option and RTE get some payback from commercial operators for their initial investment.

Saorviews ace is RTE2 HD - you don't give that trump card to your rivals imho.

Antenna

Infoanon wrote: »

- its all about RTE2 HD - eg sports fans will be willing to buy saorview boxes to get this service.

Are they? (viewers who are inclined to stay with UPC/Sky anyway)

Lets say a soccer match (or other programme) is available on both RTE2 and a UK channel in HD - these UPC/Sky viewers without RTE2HD will watch it on the UK HD channel instead.

On the one hand what you are saying yes it might make it a bit more attractive to existing UPC (or Sky) viewers to dump it and go Saorview/FTA satellite combo

On the otherhand it could significantly reduce RTE's viewer numbers of certain bought-in programmes and hurt advertising revenue.

My point is viewers who are staying with UPC anyway are unlikely to be minded to spend money on extra STBs, cabling, UHF aerials, SCART switchers etc (where necessary), so as to get Saorview as well.

Infoanon

Antenna wrote: »

Are they? (viewers who are inclined to stay with UPC/Sky anyway)
Lets say a soccer match (or other programme) is available on both RTE2 and a UK channel in HD - these UPC/Sky viewers without RTE2HD will watch it on the UK HD channel instead.

Champions league final on RTE2 HD - one off cost Vs €180 premium for HD pa (plus €396 for Sky Sports sub) - its a no brainer, then take into account GAA is only on RTE2 - no UK HD channels carries

'On the otherhand it could significantly reduce RTE's viewer numbers of certain bought-in programmes and hurt advertising revenue'.
- How ??

My point is, it is in Saorviews interest to keep RTE2HD off UPC for as long as possible

patrickmooney

Saorview is NOT competing against UPC. It's an analogue replacement, paid for and by tax payers. They should not have the power to keep free to air channels exclusive to DTT.

Infoanon

patrickmooney wrote: »

Saorview is NOT competing against UPC. It's an analogue replacement, paid for and by tax payers. They should not have the power to keep free to air channels exclusive to DTT.

The long term aim is still that Saorview will have a pay element (it was the original plan) and this will be competing against UPC.
Thus it follows why should saorview give a commercial operator ie UPC, an advantage.

Ultimately the taxpayer benefits if Saorview is a success.

Back to the posting - new channels on UPC are still coming soon !

Unregistered.

Infoanon wrote: »

'On the otherhand it could significantly reduce RTE's viewer numbers of certain bought-in programmes and hurt advertising revenue'.
- How ??

If games shown on RTE2HD are on a UK channel in HD. If the viewer wants to watch it in HD, they will. However they will be watching it on the UK channel because they don't have RTE2HD.

gertechhaha

Where are the new channels,its june now and two weeks since upc put that message up saying they will announce the channels in the coming weeks.anyone hear any rumours about what the channels may be?

gertechhaha

Infoanon wrote: »

Champions league final on RTE2 HD - one off cost Vs €180 premium for HD pa (plus €396 for Sky Sports sub) - its a no brainer, then take into account GAA is only on RTE2 - no UK HD channels carries

'On the otherhand it could significantly reduce RTE's viewer numbers of certain bought-in programmes and hurt advertising revenue'.
- How ??

My point is, it is in Saorviews interest to keep RTE2HD off UPC for as long as possible

GAA championship matches are also on tv3,and national league games are on setanta and tg4

forzacalcio

JUNE 13th! STILL NOTHING!

Hylus83

gertechhaha wrote: »

Where are the new channels,its june now and two weeks since upc put that message up saying they will announce the channels in the coming weeks.anyone hear any rumours about what the channels may be?

There's a test channel on ch750 & looks like Eurosport 3D is coming to ch426

ted1

Eurosport 3d has already been on. They showed the us tennis open. It was more of a promotion ran by Panasonic.

dunworth1

i wonder what the test channel on 750 is for

who is this

Infoanon wrote: »

The long term aim is still that Saorview will have a pay element (it was the original plan) and this will be competing against UPC.
Thus it follows why should saorview give a commercial operator ie UPC, an advantage.

Ultimately the taxpayer benefits if Saorview is a success.

Back to the posting - new channels on UPC are still coming soon !

That doesn't make sense. This is your proposal of how things would play out (with the logical flaw highlighted)

1. People get a Saorview box for RTÉ Two HD or whatever that's exclusive to the platform.
2. They realise that there's nothing they really want on UPC/Sky, so become unwilling to pay for it [I will assume for the sake of argument this to be realistic and true]
3. UPC/Sky's subscribers drop consequently.
4. RTÉ/someone else launches the commercial DTTV service (not Saorview since that is, by definition free).
5. Those same subscribers suddenly become willing to pay for TV, even though they previously found they could do without paying for it.

I sincerely hope RTÉ are not really depending on that logic. Also RTÉ aren't guaranteed to run any commercial DTTV platform, so they should not have such an angle anyway (as part of their partnership, they declined to run it previously - they obviously don't think it's a viable business anymore).

Then there's the problem of virtually every other pay-DTTV platform being a failure...

If RTÉ are really witholding channels from UPC (they seem to vary in official accounts what the story on those channels is) then UPC should be up-in-arms complaining to the Department of Communications over RTÉ abusing its monopoly PSB-status.

bk

who is this that isn't quiet how I see it.

How I see it is the more successful Saorview is, the stronger position RTE is in when negotiating carriages rights with UPC and Sky.

Infoanon

CCTv now added on 803 on UPC Dublin.

CCTv - Cork Community Television

Latest from UPC re new channels : we do hope to make an announcement soon / hopefully we will be making an announcement in the near future

Does not sound very promising....

icdg

Odd goings on, on channels 791-796. Some channels that are currently on the EPG, with slightly different names, and the programme information directing you to their actual EPG numbers. Wierd.

thefishone

icdg wrote: »

Odd goings on, on channels 791-796. Some channels that are currently on the EPG, with slightly different names, and the programme information directing you to their actual EPG numbers. Wierd.

Have they not been there for over a year now?

icdg

thefishone wrote: »

Have they not been there for over a year now?

Not these ones. At least, not in Dublin. UPC have been putting dummy channels up in that range where channels have changed names, such as Sky Three for Pick TV, Hallmark for Universal, and the ITVs (although these were removed). This is as a workaround for the well documented problem where UPC PVRs will no longer allow access to recordings where a channel has changed its name.

These are different though and hae only shown up recently. They are for BBC Three, BBC Four, CNBC Europe, FilmFour +1 and E4+1, none of which have ever changed their name or left UPC. Very strange. They also have slightly different names (eg "BBC Three" instead of "BBC THREE").

thefishone

icdg wrote: »

Odd goings on, on channels 791-796. the programme information directing you to their actual EPG numbers. Wierd.

Agree about the removed channels,but this bit above I know for sure,I have been looking at this a while now.

who is this

bk wrote: »

who is this that isn't quiet how I see it.

How I see it is the more successful Saorview is, the stronger position RTE is in when negotiating carriages rights with UPC and Sky.

I was addressing specifically the issue of pay-muxes.

If you mean in the case of carriage fees to carry them on Sky/UPC (since UPC don't have any channels to be carried by anyone else), do they even get to charge carriage fees? (That's a genuine question, I assumed they don't since people availing of them already have to pay the licence)

Regardless I think witholding them would be a mistake even from that angle since it limits the potential market (and so popularity) of those channels. They're not offering anything so compelling that I would go to the effort of setting up DTT even as a supplement to UPC. Were they on UPC, all well and good, I'm sure I'd make use of them. But I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them.

The only place I use Saorview is on my laptop. And that's for its inherent advantage over Sky and UPC. It's free and easy to set up, but moreover, unlike them I can.

I think the amount of people asking about their availability on Sky and UPC in spite of them being free to receive terrestrially only demonstrates the "would like don't need" nature of them.

If on the other hand you meant RTÉ-carriage of other channels (which I assume you don't since UPC don't have channels) that doesn't seem feasible since as I pointed out RTÉ wouldn't be guaranteed to run any commercial muxes.

Edit: Though to clarify, I'm not saying the above aren't possibly why RTÉ is witholding the DTT channels. In spite of those flaws I fully believe RTÉ could perhaps still be working on that logic :P

devnull

I don't have any of the new 79x range of channels, but then again I don't have Cork Community TV on 803 either.

I'm in Dublin 15 (Ex NTL)

Tarquin1970

These are different though and hae only shown up recently. They are for BBC Three, BBC Four, CNBC Europe, FilmFour +1 and E4+1, none of which have ever changed their name or left UPC. Very strange. They also have slightly different names (eg "BBC Three" instead of "BBC THREE").

Which box is this on? Can't see these channels ^ parked in the 790s on the Thompson DVR!

who is this

Tarquin1970 wrote: »

These are different though and hae only shown up recently. They are for BBC Three, BBC Four, CNBC Europe, FilmFour +1 and E4+1, none of which have ever changed their name or left UPC. Very strange. They also have slightly different names (eg "BBC Three" instead of "BBC THREE").

Which box is this on? Can't see these channels ^ parked in the 790s on the Thompson DVR!

Me neither. Checked the trusty old Pace and the HD box.

Unregistered.

CNN on channel 205. Never had it before on the Select package.

icdg

Tarquin1970 wrote: »

These are different though and hae only shown up recently. They are for BBC Three, BBC Four, CNBC Europe, FilmFour +1 and E4+1, none of which have ever changed their name or left UPC. Very strange. They also have slightly different names (eg "BBC Three" instead of "BBC THREE").

Which box is this on? Can't see these channels ^ parked in the 790s on the Thompson DVR!

Pace DC621KU - UPC Mediabox (non-PVR).

ciaran76

Any word yet on what new channels that are coming ?

patrickmooney

I asked on Saturday when onto sales (re their 2.25 deal). They said soon. Not very helpful really!

Tarquin1970

patrickmooney wrote: »

I asked on Saturday when onto sales (re their 2.25 deal). They said soon. Not very helpful really!

What's the 2.25 deal?