Social Welfare Fraud

Idbatterim

As anywhere the goverment turns to raise money gets shouted down be it from pensioners, those on welfare, or those in the PS or private sector through PAYE and USC rises etc. Would one of the easiest targets not be welfare fraud? I.e a private company is given the task of tackling this and they would get a % of savings, also people that made tip offs of fraudsters could be financially rewarded, if the claim turns out to be true. I assume welfare fraud runs into the billions? as no one can condone or seem to support welfare fraud, would this not be the easiest way to get a substantial saving, without every vested interest claiming, unfair, unfair? For the government its all about getting the money from where there will be least resistance, regardless of whether its fair or not! Also we know that money saved through cuts is far less damaging than tax rises. An amnesty could be given for those currently engaging in it...

Cookie_Monster

Idbatterim wrote: »

An amnesty could be given for those currently engaging in it...

why?

why not instead make them pay back 150% of what they fraudulently claimed as a penalty

Idbatterim

Im not joking, but when welfare fraudsters here are caught, are they made to pay anything back and if so isnt it from taxpayers money anyway?! I honestly wouldnt be at all surprised if there were no consequences, which would apply to pretty much everything in this country...

bizmark

I think they stop money from your dole for a certain amount of time till the amount is payed off so i guess it is basically like paying themselves from their own money but it is a punishment for the person down money

Idbatterim

ok but if they stop dole, what are they meant to live on? there is no way in the biggest bleeding heart country in the world, that they make someone live on nothing and face consequences!

bizmark

Idbatterim wrote: »

ok but if they stop dole, what are they meant to live on? there is no way in the biggest bleeding heart country in the world, that they make someone live on nothing and face consequences!

Its a small amount over a number of weeks which seems fair enough however from one or two people i know they will cut you off while they "investigate" which can go on for quite a while

sollar

Anyone convicted of welfare fraud should have the money taken back of them + a fine and live of vouchers until its all paid back.

theparish

Welfare fraud is only the tip of the iceberg.People have a very stereotypical view of people on welfare.What about the money owing to poor banking regulation/policies,the money wasted by the previous government,benchmarking etc etc etc.The list is as long as my arm.

danbohan

sollar wrote: »

Anyone convicted of welfare fraud should have the money taken back of them + a fine and live of vouchers until its all paid back.

whats with the vouchers ? , if your caught frauding starve or emigrate !

sollar

danbohan wrote: »

whats with the vouchers ?

Vouchers that can only be spent on essentials. They could be government issued and not be usable in pubs, bookies etc

MagicSean

danbohan wrote: »

whats with the vouchers ? , if your caught frauding starve or emigrate !

It's not the childrens fault that Daddy and Mammy are cheating scroungers.

usamaoreilly

Why is everyone always going on about social welfare this and social welfare that....The biggest fraudsters in the history of the country have just retired and are living in the lap of luxury,either here or in the USA...They are laughing at the likes of us here discussing social welfare fraud...I reckon the amount lost to SW fraud is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the corporate/banking/political fraud which was carried out in this country in the last decade or so...Why are they not made pay it back?

Amhran Nua

theparish wrote: »

People have a very stereotypical view of people on welfare.

Indeed, during the boom we had as near full employment as makes no difference. If the jobs are there people will work.

danbohan wrote: »

whats with the vouchers ? , if your caught frauding starve or emigrate !

There'll be no starving anybody, you create a lot more problems than you fix that way. A starving man imprisoned for stealing food costs the state ten times more than someone on the dole, and you still have to pay for his family.

We need to set our sights a bit higher, methinks.

Oh_Noes

The type of money involved in welfare cuts/fraud is not even flea-sized in comparison to what's being thrown into the big black banking hole. Reforms, changes in fraud policy etc., wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to anything at the moment.

pocketvenus

think the bigger issue is it seems the Gov has no real interest in tacking welfare fraud. For how many years have we heard the usual line being trottted out by Gov they are going to tackle it and what do they do nothing but enforce the same cuts on everyone.

The main problem is until they decided to take a proper appraoch to the issue of fraud then the only people going to suffer are the recently unnemployed. The individuals who are able to play the system and screw it for everything, will still be able to do this.

This was highlighted at height of boom when we still had a fair amount of people on the live register. We were crying out for people to take jobs, who did and we had the Polish etc coming over who were more than willing to do the. Instead of the Gov saying to these people get up of your ass and into work, getting them into FAS etc, what did they do give them even more cash. I mean WTF

Another thing is the Gov & local county/city councils know the whole fraud going on with a % of single mothers who are claiming full allowances and prenteding the boyfriend is not living with them. Our Gov answer turn a blind eye as they are too scared to go after them.

All we hear about tacking fraud is oh it too hard, ssytem won't allow it etc. Never mind say certain bleeding heart interest groups who are enbaling fraud.

The above are only 2 examples of where the Gov should be looking to save money before making cuts. As if you don't well making all the cuts in the world won't help.

And before anyone starts getting on to me about SW and living on it. I know all about it. I was made redundant about 20 months ago and entitled to the basic €188 a week. I am not looking for anything else. I worked all my life from the time I was 16 starting with part-times jobs through school, college and then after I graduated. I have never been unemployed before & after all the taxes I paid, and people in the same situation as myself, we are getting less than people who never lifted a fringer or contributed to the society.
It sickens me and make me so angry at times.

Pauleta

Idbatterim wrote: »

As anywhere the goverment turns to raise money gets shouted down be it from pensioners, those on welfare, or those in the PS or private sector through PAYE and USC rises etc. Would one of the easiest targets not be welfare fraud? I.e a private company is given the task of tackling this and they would get a % of savings, also people that made tip offs of fraudsters could be financially rewarded, if the claim turns out to be true. I assume welfare fraud runs into the billions? as no one can condone or seem to support welfare fraud, would this not be the easiest way to get a substantial saving, without every vested interest claiming, unfair, unfair? For the government its all about getting the money from where there will be least resistance, regardless of whether its fair or not! Also we know that money saved through cuts is far less damaging than tax rises. An amnesty could be given for those currently engaging in it...

I wanted to put this to any politician that knocked on my door during the election but nobody called. Nearly everyone knows somebody who is claiming single mothers allowance despite living with a partner and most likely claiming rent allowance. Off the top of my head i can think of 6 people i know. If i was offered 100 quid a head i would gladly shop them in and it would save the state thousands. Its my moral obligation to inform on them but if they were caught it would be at a disadvantage to me as i would probably have to see them more often. 600 quid would make it tolerable

not yet

Oh_Noes wrote: »

The type of money involved in welfare cuts/fraud is not even flea-sized in comparison to what's being thrown into the big black banking hole. Reforms, changes in fraud policy etc., wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to anything at the moment.

Grand so lets just ignore it then...........

Oh_Noes

not yet wrote: »

Grand so lets just ignore it then...........

Fraud should be investigated like any other crime. I was disputing the idea that making the poor poorer would solve Ireland's woes.

Count Dooku

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Fraud should be investigated like any other crime. I was disputing the idea that making the poor poorer would solve Ireland's woes.

it will make poor less tolerant to crimes committed by rich

Shea O'Meara

It's one kind of fraud for the working class and another for the politicians it seems.
Sure it's easier to put the finger on, but it seems the greater the fraud, the more cost to the tax payer, the less likely we'll see any of it back or anyone paying the price.
Yet, now things are pretty screwed because of such people, we should look at the spongers on the dole:rolleyes:

I suppose someone committing dole fraud can claim a defence of 'monkey see, monkey do'.

not yet

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Fraud should be investigated like any other crime. I was disputing the idea that making the poor poorer would solve Ireland's woes.

Please explain to me how stopping welfare fraud makes the poor poorer.
The dogs on the street know how much cheating is going on, primetime 16 months ago reckon a conservative figure is 2 billion.

Tea drinker

usamaoreilly wrote: »

Why is everyone always going on about social welfare this and social welfare that....The biggest fraudsters in the history of the country have just retired and are living in the lap of luxury,either here or in the USA...They are laughing at the likes of us here discussing social welfare fraud...I reckon the amount lost to SW fraud is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the corporate/banking/political fraud which was carried out in this country in the last decade or so...Why are they not made pay it back?

and the other eejits running around shooting lads up north, biggest treason the country ever faced and they still show how dumb they are.
At least if they were clued in the crooks might be afraid of them, onbviously the gardai and judiciary are their buddies too.

keithcan

pocketvenus wrote: »

it seems the Gov has no real interest in tacking welfare fraud. This was highlighted at height of boom when we still had a fair amount of people on the live register. We were crying out for people to take jobs. Another thing is the Gov & local county/city councils know the whole fraud going on with a % of single mothers who are claiming full allowances and prenteding the boyfriend is not living with them. Our Gov answer turn a blind eye as they are too scared to go after them. All we hear about tacking fraud is oh it too hard, ssytem won't allow it etc. Never mind say certain bleeding heart interest groups who are enbaling fraud.

There's a reality to SW fraud that some of it is harder to catch than other types. Proving the unmarried mother has the boyfriend living in the house is difficult for the very obvious reason that the people involved work hard to NOT get caught. There's a network that will work hard to mess up the SW inspector, so that when s/he arrives in an area, the calls go out to hide the evidence.

Imagine, as comparison, two situations where a robbery was committed, both with several witnesses. In one, the witnesses approach the Gardai and want to identify the culprits and give evidence against them. In another, nobody will assist the Gardai and all claim not to have seen the event and refuse to give evidence. Chances the Gardai will get an early, successful prosecution in the first case, and will most likely struggle or will fail to get one in the 2nd case.

'Bleeding heart interest groups' are not a factor in facilitating fraud. What is the biggest factor is the reality that big numbers of people work hard to cover fraud to the very best of their ability. I accept that the Dept could do better in some cases, but it really is about the behaviour of people.

djpbarry

Idbatterim wrote: »

as no one can condone or seem to support welfare fraud...

Are you kidding? I accept this is purely anecdotal, but from my perspective, welfare fraud is rampant in Ireland. I was unemployed in Ireland last year and virtually everyone I spoke to encouraged me to apply for state benefits that I was not eligible for. I know “long-term unemployed” people who have made virtually no attempt to find work for years. I know of people married to British nationals who travel to the UK to obtain free healthcare. I know at least one person who is claiming a disability benefit, the terms of which stipulate that she live alone (not sure of the particulars), but she lives with her brother. Of course the point is, it’s not just me – we all know these people. Fraud is ubiquitous in Irish society (“Ah, it’s grand – sure isn’t everyone else at it too?”), which is precisely why fraudsters are routinely elected to the Dáil – people get the government they deserve.

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

It's one kind of fraud for the working class and another for the politicians it seems.

No, it’s exactly the same. It’s the acceptance among Irish society of crimes such as welfare fraud that lead to indifference toward political indiscretions.

Idbatterim

I think I read that up to 3 billion may be fraudulent claims! If a private company were hired, and with the help of tip offs, Im sure a fortune could be saved... Look at the companies in the states that insurers hire after an accident, where people say the have bad back, cant walk etc, then they video evidence to the contrary... Also I read a good point about rent allowance, single people should house share, not have their own place...

donkey balls

During the so called boom years fraud should have been the number one priorty for the Dept of Welfare to tackle instead due to the $$$$ floating around they never bothered,I know a person who works in the fraud end of things for the dept who told me that there numbers were/are being cut back due to the mess were in at present.
On the social welfare website there is a link that you can fill out to report bogus claims.

Athlone_Bhoy

If someone is working and claiming they deserve jail IMO.

Tayla

Athlone_Bhoy wrote: »

If someone is working and claiming they deserve jail IMO.

In fairness though, it is not like the way some people worked and claimed during the boom, there are many people now who do it because they have to, they do not have the money to support their families if they don't.

A friend of mine on the dole got 2 days work a few months ago, told social welfare who put her on part time dole, her payments ended up delayed for weeks because of it and she ended up really struggling.

There needs to be another seperate system to the part time dole than the one we have, where someone who maybe gets 'the odd day' here and there can just let them know and get the form stamped and then the day deducted because as it stands if someone got a days work here and there they would have to bring in the form to say they worked 1 day this week and they would be put on the part time dole, then after that they would have to make a new claim and go back on the full time dole, then they get another couple of days another time and it's the same thing all over again, it's not practical and people need the money for food and electricity and the current system of sorting how much money you get is based on people with regular part time work and unfortunately there are a lot of people who may get a little work but it is not regular.

Athlone_Bhoy

Tayla wrote: »

In fairness though, it is not like the way some people worked and claimed during the boom, there are many people now who do it because they have to, they do not have the money to support their families if they don't.

A friend of mine on the dole got 2 days work a few months ago, told social welfare who put her on part time dole, her payments ended up delayed for weeks because of it and she ended up really struggling.

There needs to be another seperate system to the part time dole than the one we have, where someone who maybe gets 'the odd day' here and there can just let them know and get the form stamped and then the day deducted because as it stands if someone got a days work here and there they would have to bring in the form to say they worked 1 day this week and they would be put on the part time dole, then after that they would have to make a new claim and go back on the full time dole, then they get another couple of days another time and it's the same thing all over again, it's not practical and people need the money for food and electricity and the current system of sorting how much money you get is based on people with regular part time work and unfortunately there are a lot of people who may get a little work but it is not regular.

Well I dont know about now but you could a certain amount of hours with out affecting.

Seriously though I know loads of people who write in to SVP they get vouchers for Dunnes, even fuel so nobody is starving.

The dole know if people get offered 1 or two days 2 if they take there dole they just won't take the work.

The whole system needs a big change. GP's etc etc should all be cut and a cap placed. Wages in this country for people in the head of the ESB are way to much.

I was talking if a person was working fulltime and claiming the dole they should get jail not only the person but company for paying cash in hand there should be big fines giving for that not a few thousand Euro.

Chuck Stone

sollar wrote: »

Anyone convicted of welfare fraud should have the money taken back of them + a fine and live of vouchers until its all paid back.

The vouchers would just become an underground currency and people would take them in payment for smuggled cigarettes, drugs and moonshine (yes moonshine).

Idbatterim

as no one can condone or seem to support welfare fraud...

I meant politicians mainly by that point, I mean they will object to everything being cut, but I cant see FG saying they want to tackle welfare fraud, and then the likes of Labor or SF actually being able to have any issue with it...

Ricey1

The problem is how easy it is for foreigners to come here and claim a free house and social welfare. I know a lot of Polish and they say to me your system is too easy, they can fly their parents over sign them on and collect money for them, then they all get free houses and joke about how easy life in Ireland is. The people with rental properties are laughing because the government is paying off their mortgages for them.
If Irish people in the 80s heard that they could go to Italy and get a free house and €200 a week and the best thing is they did not have to work, we would have been all over it, so you can not blame the individuals, its the system
I was renting a house in Dublin and most of the people who turned up were Romanian, I asked were they working and they all said "No our dad have an accident and now the social pay for everything", I asked them all where they where from and some in Romanian gypsy costumes where saying in a Romanian accent that they where Polish. They all know exactly what to say to get the free house and social. The last person to view the house came around with a letter from the social and said he would take the house, the letter was for a woman and when questioned he said, yes this is for my sister. I am getting one of these letters in a few days. Then he came around with his sister who was 18 and holding a baby. So she is 18 and will live in Dublin for the rest of her life with a free house and €200 in her pocket, and probably a few extra bob for christmas by sitting on the ha'penny bridge with a cup
The bottom line is social welfare fraud to me means that the government is frauding the tax payer by giving away our money without concern. What should happen is that if after 6 months people are still unemployed then offer them the free Ryanair flight home, we cant sustain that kind of constant payment while being up to are balls in it

djpbarry

Ricey1 wrote: »

The problem is how easy it is for foreigners to come here and claim a free house and social welfare.

No it isn’t.

Ricey1 wrote: »

I know a lot of Polish and they say to me your system is too easy, they can fly their parents over sign them on and collect money for them...

No they can’t.

Ricey1 wrote: »

then they all get free houses...

No they don’t.

Ricey1 wrote: »

If Irish people in the 80s heard that they could go to Italy and get a free house and €200 a week and the best thing is they did not have to work, we would have been all over it, so you can not blame the individuals, its the system

Can you tell me where I apply for my free house and €200 a week for doing nothing?

Ricey1 wrote: »

I was renting a house in Dublin and most of the people who turned up were Romanian, I asked were they working and they all said "No our dad have an accident and now the social pay for everything", I asked them all where they where from and some in Romanian gypsy costumes where saying in a Romanian accent that they where Polish.

Meaningless anecdotes are meaningless.

Ricey1

Your in London so what would you know about it? I have plenty of Polish friends that would back this up, and further more I have first hand experience of dealing with people through renting property

dan_d

I do, in my time in the SW offices, have to wonder how on earth Romanians/Nigerians etc are entitled to anything.

This is a genuine question. Neither are in the EU. (are Romania in it conditionally?). Poles/Lithuanians/Latvians.....most of them have contributed to the system in some way in the last few years. I am not racist, but I sat in a SW office the other day and watched a Nigerian man roaring at the worker behind the counter about knowing his rights, and demanding his entitlements. He's been 2 years in the country and never worked. (I know this because he shouted it at the top of his voice....). I know there are restrictions on them with visas in a lot of cases.

I'm NOT racist, but I look at the amount of abuse people on the dole receive on the radios and on forums like around here. People, like me, who are genuinely looking for work everywhere - being accused of bleeding the system, and scamming the state and called wasters and scroungers. And then I look at guys like that, who are shouting their heads off at the SW workers, demanding their rights but who aren't willing to even fill in a lousy piece of paper, or attend a FAS course (the responsibilities that go with those rights, you know, and the origin of the row...), and I wonder wtf is going on here, how are they entitled to (and AWARE of!!) an endless myriad of services and payments...and I'll be means-tested for JSA come July (let's just say I'm praying that I won't be unemployed by then...) and I'll have to make a case just to keep the lousy 188eur a week...

It's completely baffling to watch what goes on in those offices, and the stream of people who seem to be entitled to so much.

However - one question I have regarding the OP - how much money would they recoup through going after sw fraud? I'm not agreeing with it, but the amount of money the SW system would have to put in to do it, would it be balanced by what they'd get back I wonder? And make no mistake...the SW system is creaking along. They can barely process the current payments and problem, without adding extra. The whole place needs to be restructured from top to bottom, in one move, and rearranged. And my God....computerised. It needs to be dragged into the 21st century. Currently, it's still back in the 80's somewhere...

flatulence

There's no need to label all of the unemployed as this type of scum, not all of them have this mentality, there are actually some decent people on the dole you know :rolleyes:

why not give them tasks that would be given to them and collect their dole?. Not every person on the dole is looking to "abuse the system" like you say, there are some decent people on the dole who would happily sweep the streets/pick up shit etc. And keep the streets clean for me and my work colleagues, at least if they are humiliated it makes us all feel they are earning their keep not just receiving free money, unless they are dishonest scroungers, they will agree to work for their dole.

meditraitor

flatulence wrote: »

unless they are dishonest scroungers, they will agree to work for their dole.

And for parents? I'm currently paying €950 per month on childcare(just one kid), if I was on the dole and forced to work for the €180 per week how would I pay for childcare?let alone food and electricity

djpbarry

Ricey1 wrote: »

Your in London so what would you know about it? I have plenty of Polish friends that would back this up, and further more I have first hand experience of dealing with people through renting property

Answer the question - where do I apply for a free house and €200 per week in Ireland?

djpbarry

dan_d wrote: »

I do, in my time in the SW offices, have to wonder how on earth Romanians/Nigerians etc are entitled to anything.

This is a genuine question. Neither are in the EU. (are Romania in it conditionally?).

Romania are in the EU, but at present, Romanian citizens have limited access to the Irish labour market.

dan_d wrote: »

Poles/Lithuanians/Latvians.....most of them have contributed to the system in some way in the last few years. I am not racist...

What you just said is racist. Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians have all contributed to the Irish economy, but Nigerians and Romanians have not?

dan_d wrote: »

...how are they entitled to (and AWARE of!!) an endless myriad of services and payments...

Who are “they” and why are you assuming they are entitled to anything that you are not? Because a black guy was shouting in a SW office?

dan_d wrote: »

It's completely baffling to watch what goes on in those offices, and the stream of people who seem to be entitled to so much.

I’ve highlighted the key word in that sentence – racism is largely fuelled by misconceptions.

flatulence

meditraitor wrote: »

And for parents? I'm currently paying €950 per month on childcare(just one kid), if I was on the dole and forced to work for the €180 per week how would I pay for childcare?let alone food and electricity

So you think you should get free money while us honest people get up in the morning, go out & do an honest days work while you have your lie on, maybe getting up to watch "This Morning" :rolleyes:

People have some sense of self-entitlement these days

flatulence

flatulence wrote: »

So you think you should get free money while us honest people get up in the morning, go out & do an honest days work while you have your lie on, maybe getting up to watch "This Morning" :rolleyes:

People have some sense of self-entitlement these days

Children needing supervision is self-entitlement indeed. Terrible attitude. They should be sent out to work as well and stop scrounging!

HellFireClub

What about the guy who is on the dole for the last few years and goes down every month and signs on, but isn't actually looking for work at all, he's just happy to stay on the dole, waiting for someone to knock on his door with a job???

Is that fraud??? Because as far as I recall, when you sign on, you make a declaration to the effect that you have been unable to find work, which cannot be true if you are not looking for work to begin with???

Ricey1

djpbarry wrote: »

Answer the question - where do I apply for a free house and €200 per week in Ireland?

Sorry I must apologise for making up the entire statement.

First of all I would like to clarify Romanian gypsys would never take social hand outs as it is clearly against their morals and to do so would prevent them from sleeping at night. Romanian gypsys are clearly at the forefront of innovation and technology and therefore taking any time out of their busy schedule to sign on may delay the next space project
I made up the story about the 18 year old Romanian girl with a baby, obviously if you are a single mother in Ireland there is absolutely positively 100% no way the Irish government would give you €200 and a free house, sure if that was the case wouldnt have of eastern Europe turn up for the free hand outs

There is nothing wrong with being on the social as most people (of all nationalities) have more than contributed to this country in years gone by. The point I am making is there is obviously certain people have not contributed to this country nor will they ever, who have come here to take free hand outs and it seems too easy to do so

flatulence

djpbarry wrote: »

Answer the question - where do I apply for a free house and €200 per week in Ireland?

The dole office with rest of the scroungers, or is it too much work for ya to queue up :rolleyes:

Laminations

djpbarry wrote: »

What you just said is racist. Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians have all contributed to the Irish economy, but Nigerians and Romanians have not?

What dan_d said may have been inaccurate but it was not racist. Where was the intolerance, abuse, suggestion of superiority or incitement to hatred that would legitimately make her remarks racist? I guess I'm not down with the kids these days and your new definition of racist. How about rather than reaching for that card you just use the word inaccurate.

djpbarry

Ricey1 wrote: »

Sorry I must apologise for making up the entire statement.

You said that you “know a lot of Polish ... can fly their parents over sign them on and collect money for them.” So if I fly over to Dublin tomorrow, I want to know where I go to get my free house and/or money? And if the state is handing out freebies left, right and centre, then why is Ireland experiencing net emigration at present?

djpbarry

Laminations wrote: »

What dan_d said may have been inaccurate but it was not racist.

Generalisations based on nationality and/or race qualify as racist in my book. Split hairs all you want.

Laminations wrote: »

How about rather than reaching for that card you just use the word inaccurate.

Why? Has “racist” become politically incorrect?

Is it necessary for me to point out that I did not label dan_d a racist, I labelled his post racist?

Laminations

djpbarry wrote: »

Is it necessary for me to point out that I did not label dan_d a racist, I labelled his post racist?

Dan_d is female. Typical sexist post assuming a poster is male

Laminations

djpbarry wrote: »

Generalisations based on nationality and/or race qualify as racist in my book. Split hairs all you want.
Why? Has “racist” become politically incorrect?

It's become an overused and abused term. Generalisations are generalisations. Inaccurate generalisations are inaccurate or ignorant generalisations. And purposely inaccurate and intolerant generalisations (based on race) with an abusive intent are racist.

For your definition the statement 'Generally black people are more prone to sickle cell anemia' is racist.

PUT THE CARD DOWN

petra62

I am a 36 years old romanian women.I live in Ireland from 2 years.After i pay my bills i have 100 euro per week for food and clothes for me and my daughter.she is in 2th class and is one from the best girls in her class.with this 100 euro we live and i say ''GOD THANK YOU!''.In Romania I worked for 200 euro for entire month. i used to buy two carrots,two eggs and one chicken breast for my baby and I ate fried onion with bread.I had to wear a jacket till it had holes sewed an wear again. now I wash toilets,give me as many toilets you want i'll clean.BECAUSE I'M ROMANIAN. I know the life can be worse.

Ricey1

djpbarry wrote: »

You said that you “know a lot of Polish ... can fly their parents over sign them on and collect money for them.” So if I fly over to Dublin tomorrow, I want to know where I go to get my free house and/or money? And if the state is handing out freebies left, right and centre, then why is Ireland experiencing net emigration at present?

Educated and talented people are leaving Ireland because they thrive to make a better life for themselves, they can not see that happening for them here. For some people taking money from the social is not a long term solution so moving abroad is very attractive. If you move to USA, Oz or Canada you can make 100k a year, live like a king in a warmer and more fruitful climate and provide a better standard of life for your children. I am lucky as I have a well paid job and find that in Dublin there is actually an abundance of well paid jobs in my area. This combined with the fact that I have not yet bought a house makes it easy for me to stay here, but if there was no jobs left in Ireland I would not take the dole option, i would move abroad

For some countries the free social hand outs discussed above are very attractive. As you are living in London ask any English person did they see Ross Kemp on gangs in Bulgaria and Romania and ask them what they think about organised crime groups sending an abundance of families to the UK & Ireland to take free social hand outs and beg on the streets to send money back to the criminals

Here is a taster for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVFlAslG5S4

Can you please explain why you are throwing the toys out of the pram, do you think that this does not go on in Ireland?