Declan Ganley - Todays Mail on Sunday article

Ash.J.Williams

I am sitting here now on the best possible broadband connection available to me ( a 3e dongle showing one bar of connection). I am infuriated after reading Declans article today. I do not have it with me so I am posting this from memory as best I can. He pitched for the esat licence back in the day, along with some very powerful people in the industry. He went to them with an idea, and they believed in him enough to finance his bid, €80m approx. Their aim was to create the most powerful communications company in Europe, based here in Ireland. The bid, he reckoned was so good, that he was in shock on receiving the news that his consortium was unsuccessful.
If all this is true, along with the findings of the moriarty tribunal, then Lowery and his band of treasonous friends could well have deprived this country of technology that would have given us a far greater competitive edge then we currently have, providing us with more jobs nationwide. All for the sake of greed, personal gain and cronyism. How many other contracts were awarded to weaker bids?
Michael Lowery at least deserves to be charged and brought to trial for his alleged crime. At least then we will truely know if he is as innocent as he is making out, or if he's a greedy, gombeen, treasonous snake.
Tipperary can shove it's casino up it's hole too.

joshrogan

You probably have better internet connection available to you but your dongle can't withstand googling them so you're stuck with it. I'm sure they were designed with that in mind.

galwayrush

Welcome to Ireland, where vested interests always come before the good of the country.

Coriolanus

Declan Ganley?

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Ash.J.Williams

joshrogan wrote: »

You probably have better internet connection available to you but your dongle can't withstand googling them so you're stuck with it. I'm sure they were designed with that in mind.

A satalite is my only other option, and it isn't great to be honest. Perhaps if the best people won "our" national contracts then things would be different.

syklops

Declan Ganley and Mail on Sunday in one sentence.

/me awaits thread filled with lies, damned lies and statistics.

99% of the World read the Mail on Sunday - FACT! reports the Mail on Sunday.

ejmaztec

Ireland, the only country where the cnuts end up running the asylum.

OutlawPete

I hear ya. Watching a movie on Videobox is almost impossible for me somedays. I have to switch from HD quality down to just bog standard HQ most days. Infruiating mess these people have left this country in when a man can't fap to Hi Def vagina poundings in the peace and quiet of his own home.

Ash.J.Williams

syklops wrote: »

Declan Ganley and Mail on Sunday in one sentence.

/me awaits thread filled with lies, damned lies and statistics.

99% of the World read the Mail on Sunday - FACT! reports the Mail on Sunday.

the fact is a judge ruled the contract was awarded in an incorrect manner. Thus our nation was deprived of something better.

jimthemental

Mail on Sunday + Declan Ganley. The thread title has legitimacy wrote all over it.

AskMyChocolate

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I am sitting here now on the best possible broadband connection available to me ( a 3e dongle showing one bar of connection). I am infuriated after reading Declans article today. I do not have it with me so I am posting this from memory as best I can. He pitched for the esat licence back in the day, along with some very powerful people in the industry. He went to them with an idea, and they believed in him enough to finance his bid, €80m approx. Their aim was to create the most powerful communications company in Europe, based here in Ireland. The bid, he reckoned was so good, that he was in shock on receiving the news that his consortium was unsuccessful.
If all this is true, along with the findings of the moriarty tribunal, then Lowery and his band of treasonous friends could well have deprived this country of technology that would have given us a far greater competitive edge then we currently have, providing us with more jobs nationwide. All for the sake of greed, personal gain and cronyism. How many other contracts were awarded to weaker bids?
Michael Lowery at least deserves to be charged and brought to trial for his alleged crime. At least then we will truely know if he is as innocent as he is making out, or if he's a greedy, gombeen, treasonous snake.
Tipperary can shove it's casino up it's hole too.

He needs his kneecaps blown off as a lesson to the next sleveen,gombeen little traitor that would try to emulate him. Both of my parents are Tipp people, my dad from Thurles (deceased) and my mam from Nenagh, and they'd both say the same. "If Dan Breen was alive today, I can assure you Michael Lowery wouldn't be."

Avns1s

If Lowry saved us from Declan Ganley, I am starting to change my opinion of him!!

Guy:Incognito

Just because Declan Ganley says he would have done things brilliantly doesnt make it true.

Has he voiced these opinions before or is he hopping on the coattails of the moriarty tribunal to tell us how great he is?

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the fact is a judge ruled the contract was awarded in an incorrect manner. Thus our nation was deprived of something better.

How do you make that jump? it's not automatically better because Ganley says so, how do you know it actually wouldnt have been worse?

The Waltzing Consumer

Yeah beside the lowry thing. Is it not very easy to write an article promising the moon and the stars when Ganley never had to deliver on any of it?

If you read an article by Michael Martin saying "if you had elected us instead of FG/LAB, we would have 100% employment, monkey butlers and everything would be fantastic", would you believe it? Eh no. So why believe Ganley? Plus, how long has the market been open now, what has stopped him delivering all this now or in the last decade?

Ash.J.Williams

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just because Declan Ganley says he would have done things brilliantly doesnt make it true.

Has he voiced these opinions before or is he hopping on the coattails of the moriarty tribunal to tell us how great he is?

I take your point, but that fact is the best bid, whomever that may be....lost

Ash.J.Williams

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just because Declan Ganley says he would have done things brilliantly doesnt make it true.

Has he voiced these opinions before or is he hopping on the coattails of the moriarty tribunal to tell us how great he is?





How do you make that jump? it's not automatically better because Ganley says so, how do you know it actually wouldnt have been worse?

because the bidding process was corrupt and had it been fair then the best company would have one.

amacca

OutlawPete wrote: »

I hear ya. Watching a movie on Videobox is almost impossible for me somedays. I have to switch from HD quality down to just bog standard HQ most days. Infruiating mess these people have left this country in when a man can't fap to Hi Def vagina poundings in the peace and quiet of his own home.

a peace and quiet interrupted by orgasmic moans and high pitched screams?

or do you watch with the sound off?

(thin walls in the apartment - nosey neighbours - what what is it goddamnit?)


I find this more interesting than even contemplating the existence of someone like Ganly or Lowery or a possible fcuking casino in Tipp for that matter.

Guy:Incognito

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I take your point, but that fact is the best bid, whomever that may be....lost

Again, how do we know that? The ESAT bid may have worked out the most successfull in the long run anyway. The fact that it was won corruptly doesnt mean we are better or worse off. Without at least haveing all the details of the other bids, its unfounded opinion based on the words of a shyster.

RachaelVO

Ganley is probably right, and yes this does highlight the cronyism that is rampant all over Ireland. From the Mail???? Serious anti irish bias and will look for anything to slag us off. As for Declan Ganley... People in Glass Houses should NEVER throw stones!

Ash.J.Williams

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Again, how do we know that? The ESAT bid may have worked out the most successfull in the long run anyway. The fact that it was won corruptly doesnt mean we are better or worse off. Without at least haveing all the details of the other bids, its unfounded opinion based on the words of a shyster.

If a company required inside information and cash to get the bid it is open to assume they may not have had the best bid.

Mike 1972

The mid 1990's licence round was a GSM 2G licence.

Regardless of who secured that particular franchise if the OP was dependent on 2G for their net conection they would have been barely able to get on USENET nevermind Youtube.

prinz

Ganley is a mouthpiece in love with the sound of his own voice, and a shady shady businessman in his own right. He got some very, very lucrative deals land in his own lap which I am sure were all totally above board.

hardCopy

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If a company required inside information and cash to get the bid it is open to assume they may not have had the best bid.

Quite possibly, but Ganley's an even bigger sh1tehawk than O'Brien so I'd take anything he says with a few bags of salt

Guy:Incognito

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If a company required inside information and cash to get the bid it is open to assume they may not have had the best bid.

Not nessescarily, maybe they were all throwing money around and the ESAT one was the highest. It's possible they were so confident of succeeding once they won it that they "outbid" the others.Mybe Declan Ganley is just bitter he didnt offer Lowry enough?

As one of the posts above, if his bid was so good, what happened to it when other licenses came up?

Blobby George

Declan Ganley and The Mail on Sunday. Nah, you're alright.

Ash.J.Williams

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The mid 1990's licence round was a GSM 2G licence.

Regardless of who secured that particular franchise if the OP was dependent on 2G for their net conection they would have been barely able to get on USENET nevermind Youtube.

Much of my point is based on what could have been. If our governments were not currupt, then little things like national contracts going to the right people would have had massive effects on how we operate, sadly we will never know what could have been.

Krusader

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

He needs his kneecaps blown off as a lesson to the next sleveen,gombeen little traitor that would try to emulate him. Both of my parents are Tipp people, my dad from Thurles (deceased) and my mam from Nenagh, and they'd both say the same. "If Dan Breen was alive today, I can assure you Michael Lowery wouldn't be."

Unfortunately until something like this happens to one of them, they'll still be at it

Bozacke

It's strange that you're laughing at Declan Ganly, where Michael Lowry is a much bigger joke. Ben Dunne paid IR£395,000 for an extension to Lowry's Tipperary home, he scammed the country with not just the Esat license but the Dublin Light Rail System and the the closure of rural post offices. Despite all of this, the people of Tipp continue to elect him and you think Ganly's a joke!!!!

Ash.J.Williams

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Not nessescarily, maybe they were all throwing money around and the ESAT one was the highest. It's possible they were so confident of succeeding once they won it that they "outbid" the others.Mybe Declan Ganley is just bitter he didnt offer Lowry enough?

As one of the posts above, if his bid was so good, what happened to it when other licenses came up?

Esats pitch was on the lower scale until they were briefed ilegally on the other bids and then brought in Dermot Desmond.

Ash.J.Williams

Bozacke wrote: »

It's strange that you're laughing at Declan Ganly, where Michael Lowry is a much bigger joke. Ben Dunne paid IR£395,000 for an extension to Lowry's Tipperary home, he scammed the country with not just the Esat license but the Dublin Light Rail System and the the closure of rural post offices. Despite all of this, the people of Tipp continue to elect him and you think Ganly's a joke!!!!

That is ireland all over!

OutlawPete

amacca wrote: »

a peace and quiet interrupted by orgasmic moans and high pitched screams?

Well, I hook my Laptop up to my projector and so then I can enjoy Videobox (online adult DVD collection of over 10,000 DVDs) in all it's glorious splender.

amacca wrote: »

.. or do you watch with the sound off? (thin walls in the apartment - nosey neighbours - what what is it goddamnit?)

Well, the house is silent .. yes - but only because I stream the audio via Bluetooth to these bad boys, so then I can enjoy the slaps and screaming )Sophie Dee is particularly vocal) without the neighbours thinking I've lost the plot and starting wailing on some girl I met in a nightclub .. again.

amacca wrote: »

.I find this more interesting than even contemplating the existence of someone like Ganly or Lowery or a possible fcuking casino in Tipp for that matter.

Indeed and AH threads are always at their best when a serious debate is taking place between one half of the thread and the how best to enjoy HD porn on the other.

Damn you Lowery.

prinz

Bozacke wrote: »

It's strange that you're laughing at Declan Ganly, where Michael Lowry is a much bigger joke. Ben Dunne paid IR£395,000 for an extension to Lowry's Tipperary home, he scammed the country with not just the Esat license but the Dublin Light Rail System and the the closure of rural post offices. Despite all of this, the people of Tipp continue to elect him and you think Ganly's a joke!!!!

The two of them are jokes, but compared to Ganley's worldwide business deals Lowry is small fry.

gosuckonalemon

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I take your point, but that fact is the best bid, whomever that may be....lost

Esat was the best bid, irrespective of corruption.

Bozacke

The sad thing is, ESAT didn't necessarily have the best bid anyway, despite any inside information. If my memory serves me correctly, the bid selection process was never revealed. I remember being shocked at the time, but somehow allowed to select the winning bid without and justification or documentation.

Ash.J.Williams

Bozacke wrote: »

The sad thing is, ESAT didn't necessarily have the best bid anyway, despite any inside information. If my memory serves me correctly, the bid selection process was never revealed. I remember being shocked at the time, but somehow allowed to select the winning bid without and justification or documentation.

According to the article there was all sorts of rule changes etc favouring ESAT throughout the process.

ilovesleep

Phew! Thank god i'm not the only one without internet. Well i have the internet on the mobile but its sh1te.

And FG want to introduce a content tax to pay for rte and internet and broadband! (Have a huge problem with this because seriously i have no tv - its broken and i use it as a picture frame now. have no radio, and no computer).

Ash.J.Williams

ilovesleep wrote: »

Phew! Thank god i'm not the only one without internet. Well i have the internet on the mobile but its sh1te.

And FG want to introduce a content tax to pay for rte and internet and broadband!

I would love to seem them try and call here looking for that tax money!!

OutlawPete

I know we may moan about speed and when our particular area be connected to Broadband etc, but lets not forget that elsewhere in the world there are far bigger things to be worrying about than the Internet. Wouldn't hurt us every once in a while if we spared out thought for them. Can't be easy down in Leitrim these days knowing that only an two hours trek away on a donkey and people are complaining about something called Broadband, sure they'd only love to have that problem.

biko

http://www.galwaynews.ie/18502-esat-%E2%80%98deal%E2%80%99-may-have-cost-city-1200-jobs
The controversial decision to award the country’s second mobile phone licence to Esat Digifone in 1995 may have cost Galway at least 1,200 jobs as one of the rival bidders intended to locate its national headquarters in the city.

Following this week’s publication of the Moriarty Tribunal, which found that then Minister for Communications Michael Lowry TD “secured the winning” of the competition for Esat Digifone, it has emerged that Galway was one of the big losers from the process.

North Galway businessman Declan Ganley, part of the Cellstar consortium which lost out to Esat Digifone and Denis O’Brien, confirmed to the Galway City Tribune yesterday that his group had intended to set up their national HQ in the city.

Mr Ganley, who has now called on Michael Lowry to “do the country a service” by resigning his seat in the Dáil, was part of an unsuccessful consortium which included Comcast, RTÉ, Bord na Mona, and CGI Ltd.

PeterIanStaker

Declan makes Lowry look like a paragon of virtue.

Only thing worse than a politician like Lowry is a failed wannabe politician like Dec- Boy, who loves the sound of his own voice.

dsmythy

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Declan makes Lowry look like a paragon of virtue.

Only thing worse than a politician like Lowry is a failed wannabe politician like Dec- Boy, who loves the sound of his own voice.

The only thing worse than someone who likes the sound of their own voice is someone who likes the sound of their own wallet.

HellFireClub

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

cml387

HellFireClub wrote: »

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

You mean five companies all installing their own masts creating five individual GSM systems?

PeterIanStaker

dsmythy wrote: »

The only thing worse than someone who likes the sound of their own voice is someone who likes the sound of their own wallet.

Dec-boy is both, unfortunately.

Krusader

HellFireClub wrote: »

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

maybe only 1 was issued to protect eircom from an overcompetive market

Capt'n Midnight

Eircom were fattened up before privatisation. If it wern't for internet they woundn't have hat to invest in the voice side of the system for ages. They stalled ADSL rollout for many years (tests in RTE) and when NTL tried to roll out broadband NTL were forced to roll out Digital TV instead (when SKY already had the market sown up and NTL wouldn't have made much money since they basically hand over the royalties anyway) Eircom have been hemoraging customers ever since they have voted with their wallets and decided that mobile phones were cheaper than line rental. What % of eircom residential lines are paid for by the government ???

As for data, when eircom ADSL was first made public it cost EXACTLY the same as downloading the cap with off peak ISDN.

Since then the mobile providers have all been raping us on mobile charges at twice the EU average. In part subsised by the high cost of eircom. In the light of hard evidence and due to the nature of our liable laws I couldn't possibly suggest there was any form of cartel.

A license to print money can attract the worst people.


The worst part about all of the tribunarls is that they could have made recomendations that if implimented earlier could have prevented the banking scandal - if they had any purpose other than stalling

HellFireClub

cml387 wrote: »

You mean five companies all installing their own masts creating five individual GSM systems?

If you want to be a mobile operator, you need mobile masts! If you haven't the financial back up to put the infrastructure in place, then just don't bother wasting your money applying for a license...

How many operators have we now in the market??? Vodafone, O2, Meteor, Three and Eircom are now in the mobile market, that's 5 mobile operators who I'm sure all have their own business infrastructrure in place now, including the masts. Why not set the required standard and give a license to those that have demonstrated the competency required to make money at it while operating a credible and usable service???

But the smart money in this backwater kip was obviously on protecting the semi state that was Eircom, the old, "let's protect our own" dysfunctional mentality that runs right across the public sector in this country, more of the same, and then we are all amazed when a balls is made of it and a 150 million Euro legal bill lands in 15 years later???

Lowry should have every asset he owns sold and it used to offset the massive legal outlay that he has cost the state.

Rhys Essien

prinz wrote: »

Ganley is a mouthpiece in love with the sound of his own voice, and a shady shady businessman in his own right. He got some very, very lucrative deals land in his own lap which I am sure were all totally above board.

+1.

Gigiwagga

prinz wrote: »

The two of them are jokes, but compared to Ganley's worldwide business deals Lowry is small fry.

Please explain.... no, Please explain...I'd say you know loads...

ascanbe

prinz wrote: »

Ganley is a mouthpiece in love with the sound of his own voice, and a shady shady businessman in his own right. He got some very, very lucrative deals land in his own lap which I am sure were all totally above board.

Did he? Perhaps he did, i genuinely don't know. Is there any chance you could provide examples and evidence to substantiate your claim?
Without evidence or even potential examples, your comment would just seem to be the kind of unsubstantiated attack that any mention of Declan Ganley's name seems to illicit from many, for whatever reason.
I'll just leave this disclaimer here, tiresome as it is, so as to dissuade any ad-hominem attacks: i am in no way connected to Declan Ganley nor am i in any way a supporter of his; i'm just tired of the way he seems to be fair game for the kind of unsubstantiated attacks that would be frowned upon by many in here if directed towards anyone else.

Capt'n Midnight

Did Ganley ever reveal the source of funding for the anti-Lisbon campaign ?