Declan Ganley - Todays Mail on Sunday article

prinz · 27-03-2011 09:19PM

Bozacke wrote: »

It's strange that you're laughing at Declan Ganly, where Michael Lowry is a much bigger joke. Ben Dunne paid IR£395,000 for an extension to Lowry's Tipperary home, he scammed the country with not just the Esat license but the Dublin Light Rail System and the the closure of rural post offices. Despite all of this, the people of Tipp continue to elect him and you think Ganly's a joke!!!!

The two of them are jokes, but compared to Ganley's worldwide business deals Lowry is small fry.

gosuckonalemon · 27-03-2011 09:21PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I take your point, but that fact is the best bid, whomever that may be....lost

Esat was the best bid, irrespective of corruption.

Bozacke · 27-03-2011 09:23PM

The sad thing is, ESAT didn't necessarily have the best bid anyway, despite any inside information. If my memory serves me correctly, the bid selection process was never revealed. I remember being shocked at the time, but somehow allowed to select the winning bid without and justification or documentation.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-03-2011 09:25PM

Bozacke wrote: »

The sad thing is, ESAT didn't necessarily have the best bid anyway, despite any inside information. If my memory serves me correctly, the bid selection process was never revealed. I remember being shocked at the time, but somehow allowed to select the winning bid without and justification or documentation.

According to the article there was all sorts of rule changes etc favouring ESAT throughout the process.

ilovesleep · 27-03-2011 09:33PM

Phew! Thank god i'm not the only one without internet. Well i have the internet on the mobile but its sh1te.

And FG want to introduce a content tax to pay for rte and internet and broadband! (Have a huge problem with this because seriously i have no tv - its broken and i use it as a picture frame now. have no radio, and no computer).

Ash.J.Williams · 27-03-2011 09:37PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Phew! Thank god i'm not the only one without internet. Well i have the internet on the mobile but its sh1te.

And FG want to introduce a content tax to pay for rte and internet and broadband!

I would love to seem them try and call here looking for that tax money!!

OutlawPete · 27-03-2011 09:42PM

I know we may moan about speed and when our particular area be connected to Broadband etc, but lets not forget that elsewhere in the world there are far bigger things to be worrying about than the Internet. Wouldn't hurt us every once in a while if we spared out thought for them. Can't be easy down in Leitrim these days knowing that only an two hours trek away on a donkey and people are complaining about something called Broadband, sure they'd only love to have that problem.

biko · 27-03-2011 09:44PM

http://www.galwaynews.ie/18502-esat-%E2%80%98deal%E2%80%99-may-have-cost-city-1200-jobs
The controversial decision to award the country’s second mobile phone licence to Esat Digifone in 1995 may have cost Galway at least 1,200 jobs as one of the rival bidders intended to locate its national headquarters in the city.

Following this week’s publication of the Moriarty Tribunal, which found that then Minister for Communications Michael Lowry TD “secured the winning” of the competition for Esat Digifone, it has emerged that Galway was one of the big losers from the process.

North Galway businessman Declan Ganley, part of the Cellstar consortium which lost out to Esat Digifone and Denis O’Brien, confirmed to the Galway City Tribune yesterday that his group had intended to set up their national HQ in the city.

Mr Ganley, who has now called on Michael Lowry to “do the country a service” by resigning his seat in the Dáil, was part of an unsuccessful consortium which included Comcast, RTÉ, Bord na Mona, and CGI Ltd.

PeterIanStaker · 27-03-2011 09:48PM

Declan makes Lowry look like a paragon of virtue.

Only thing worse than a politician like Lowry is a failed wannabe politician like Dec- Boy, who loves the sound of his own voice.

dsmythy · 27-03-2011 09:58PM

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Declan makes Lowry look like a paragon of virtue.

Only thing worse than a politician like Lowry is a failed wannabe politician like Dec- Boy, who loves the sound of his own voice.

The only thing worse than someone who likes the sound of their own voice is someone who likes the sound of their own wallet.

HellFireClub · 27-03-2011 10:00PM

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

cml387 · 27-03-2011 10:11PM

HellFireClub wrote: »

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

You mean five companies all installing their own masts creating five individual GSM systems?

PeterIanStaker · 27-03-2011 10:11PM

dsmythy wrote: »

The only thing worse than someone who likes the sound of their own voice is someone who likes the sound of their own wallet.

Dec-boy is both, unfortunately.

Krusader · 27-03-2011 10:13PM

HellFireClub wrote: »

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

maybe only 1 was issued to protect eircom from an overcompetive market

Capt'n Midnight · 27-03-2011 10:30PM

Eircom were fattened up before privatisation. If it wern't for internet they woundn't have hat to invest in the voice side of the system for ages. They stalled ADSL rollout for many years (tests in RTE) and when NTL tried to roll out broadband NTL were forced to roll out Digital TV instead (when SKY already had the market sown up and NTL wouldn't have made much money since they basically hand over the royalties anyway) Eircom have been hemoraging customers ever since they have voted with their wallets and decided that mobile phones were cheaper than line rental. What % of eircom residential lines are paid for by the government ???

As for data, when eircom ADSL was first made public it cost EXACTLY the same as downloading the cap with off peak ISDN.

Since then the mobile providers have all been raping us on mobile charges at twice the EU average. In part subsised by the high cost of eircom. In the light of hard evidence and due to the nature of our liable laws I couldn't possibly suggest there was any form of cartel.

A license to print money can attract the worst people.

The worst part about all of the tribunarls is that they could have made recomendations that if implimented earlier could have prevented the banking scandal - if they had any purpose other than stalling

HellFireClub · 27-03-2011 10:41PM

cml387 wrote: »

You mean five companies all installing their own masts creating five individual GSM systems?

If you want to be a mobile operator, you need mobile masts! If you haven't the financial back up to put the infrastructure in place, then just don't bother wasting your money applying for a license...

How many operators have we now in the market??? Vodafone, O2, Meteor, Three and Eircom are now in the mobile market, that's 5 mobile operators who I'm sure all have their own business infrastructrure in place now, including the masts. Why not set the required standard and give a license to those that have demonstrated the competency required to make money at it while operating a credible and usable service???

But the smart money in this backwater kip was obviously on protecting the semi state that was Eircom, the old, "let's protect our own" dysfunctional mentality that runs right across the public sector in this country, more of the same, and then we are all amazed when a balls is made of it and a 150 million Euro legal bill lands in 15 years later???

Lowry should have every asset he owns sold and it used to offset the massive legal outlay that he has cost the state.

Rhys Essien · 27-03-2011 11:20PM

prinz wrote: »

Ganley is a mouthpiece in love with the sound of his own voice, and a shady shady businessman in his own right. He got some very, very lucrative deals land in his own lap which I am sure were all totally above board.

+1.

Gigiwagga · 27-03-2011 11:30PM

prinz wrote: »

The two of them are jokes, but compared to Ganley's worldwide business deals Lowry is small fry.

Please explain.... no, Please explain...I'd say you know loads...

ascanbe · 27-03-2011 11:37PM

prinz wrote: »

Ganley is a mouthpiece in love with the sound of his own voice, and a shady shady businessman in his own right. He got some very, very lucrative deals land in his own lap which I am sure were all totally above board.

Did he? Perhaps he did, i genuinely don't know. Is there any chance you could provide examples and evidence to substantiate your claim?
Without evidence or even potential examples, your comment would just seem to be the kind of unsubstantiated attack that any mention of Declan Ganley's name seems to illicit from many, for whatever reason.
I'll just leave this disclaimer here, tiresome as it is, so as to dissuade any ad-hominem attacks: i am in no way connected to Declan Ganley nor am i in any way a supporter of his; i'm just tired of the way he seems to be fair game for the kind of unsubstantiated attacks that would be frowned upon by many in here if directed towards anyone else.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-03-2011 12:53AM

Did Ganley ever reveal the source of funding for the anti-Lisbon campaign ?

120_Minutes · 28-03-2011 01:02AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, I hook my Laptop up to my projector and so then I can enjoy Videobox (online adult DVD collection of over 10,000 DVDs) in all it's glorious splender.

Well, the house is silent .. yes - but only because I stream the audio via Bluetooth to these bad boys, so then I can enjoy the slaps and screaming )Sophie Dee is particularly vocal) without the neighbours thinking I've lost the plot and starting wailing on some girl I met in a nightclub .. again.

Indeed and AH threads are always at their best when a serious debate is taking place between one half of the thread and the how best to enjoy HD porn on the other.

Damn you Lowery.

You sir, are a God.

brianthebard · 28-03-2011 02:03AM

Bozacke wrote: »

The sad thing is, ESAT didn't necessarily have the best bid anyway, despite any inside information. If my memory serves me correctly, the bid selection process was never revealed. I remember being shocked at the time, but somehow allowed to select the winning bid without and justification or documentation.

I think the point was that despite not having the best bid esat were awarded the deal.

ElaElaElano · 28-03-2011 02:31AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Did Ganley ever reveal the source of funding for the anti-Lisbon campaign ?

Multi-million dollar contracts with the US military.

Declan Ganley has no political motivations as such, he just set up Libertas to try and damage the EU, because a strong EU is bad news for America, and consequently bad news for his huge bank accounts.

That's not to say a strong EU is necessarily a good thing for the rest of us, but that's another thread altogether.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-03-2011 08:06AM

ElaElaElano wrote: »

Multi-million dollar contracts with the US military.

I know that but did he actually admit it at any stage

prinz · 28-03-2011 09:25AM

Gigiwagga wrote: »

Please explain.... no, Please explain...I'd say you know loads...

He was barely out of school when he was in the Soviet Union making a fortune exporting natural resources. You tell me they let 20-odd year old Declan (who shortly before that was office help in an insurance company in London)into Soviet-era Latvia to deal in exporting aluminium by the tonne. Not long after this he was an economics advisor to the Latvian government when it became independent. Again shortly after that he had a very lucrative contract in forestry in Eastern Europe and the Baltics fall into his lap. Either he has been in the right place at the right time...... many times. Or he has gotten a lot of help along the way.

Of course a lot of his current business dealings we don't know that much about because they are for the US defence and intelligence organisations and are protected as classified.

sensibleken · 28-03-2011 09:28AM

so lisbon II is to blame for the esat fiasco too? stupid time travelling abortionists!!!

prinz · 28-03-2011 09:32AM

ascanbe wrote: »

Did he? Perhaps he did, i genuinely don't know. Is there any chance you could provide examples and evidence to substantiate your claim?
Without evidence or even potential examples, your comment would just seem to be the kind of unsubstantiated attack that any mention of Declan Ganley's name seems to illicit from many, for whatever reason..

As above. A stellar career in the space of 6 or so years from office monkey to advising a national government on economics, via becoming a millionaire by capitalising on the collapsing Soviet Union and ore exporting. Quite a tale for someone before they've hit 25 years old. Of course getting these deals in the collapsing Soviet Union has always been known to be totally honest and above board. Just ask the various other oligarchs who fell into wealth around the same time in the same area.

They should really be making a Hollywood movie out of his life-story.

Ash.J.Williams · 28-03-2011 10:08AM

HellFireClub wrote: »

Can someone explain this to me....

Back when this license was awarded, mobile phone technology was new technology, the state decided to regulate this new market and introduce a licensing system to manage those who operated in this new market.

Can someone explain to me why on earth a decision was made to only award one scabby license, when it was obvious that there were around three bidders fighting for the one scabby license???

Surely the proper approch would have been to offer a license to any business or consortium that could prove that it could run an efficient and proper mobile service, as in a bar would be set and if you can get over the bar, you can offer a mobile phone service???

I think this same scabby attitude with the issuance of "licenses" and the likes is what has this country with the scabby backwater kip reputation that it well known for, we've seen it with taxi's, etc...

Just look at the figures:

1 scabby license offered, 15 Million the state got from Denis O' Brien for their piece of paper/license, deduct that revenue for the state from the 150 million in costs that the tribunal has cost and we have an approximate loss of 135 million Euro...

Now say there were 5 mobile licenses offered, the revenue to the state would have been 75 million, and there would not have been the possibility of a tribunal or this investigative crap that has been necessary...

I have a feeling the tribunal findings leave the government open to a whopper of a lawsuit too, just to add to that loss.

tipptom · 28-03-2011 10:14AM

Where is the evidence that Declan Ganly is a corrupt buissness man,if we had done the right thing during the referendum we wouldnt be paying the corrupt eu their shylock intrest rate but it was all agreed to listen to the proven corrupt Mr Lowry with his backing to the goverment and how we were going gain so many jobs from our "allies" in europe.
Can any one tell me why a licsence cap at 19 million was put on the bids for something that was worth 2.4 billion later

prinz · 28-03-2011 10:16AM

tipptom wrote: »

Where is the evidence that Declan Ganly is a corrupt buissness man...

Who has called him corrupt?

Declan Ganley - Todays Mail on Sunday article

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