Youths Rugby

irishfan9

a leinster u19 youth side lost 52-0 to st. michaels college

not surprising given they are a rep side who have just came together for one game against potentially the best schools side in the country who have been playing and training together for months.

still not a great scoreline to see

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

a leinster u19 youth side lost 52-0 to st. michaels college

not surprising given they are a rep side who have just came together for one game against potentially the best schools side in the country who have been playing and training together for months.

still not a great scoreline to see

Not surprising at all. And were you at the Shane Horgan cup games or just see results.

Munster phase 2 competitions start this weekend.

The Lost Sheep

https://munsterrugby.ie/domestic_news/munster-age-grade-clubs-competitions-preview/

The Lost Sheep

Some decent games in the Munster cups this weekend.
Games not played will be played next week or week after as round 2 games are not scheduled to be played for 3 weeks

The Lost Sheep

Mainly catch up games from those postponed last week in Munster cups 16s/18s.

Leinster leagues started this week after ranking games were played up until now.

The Lost Sheep

Lots of league semi finals in Connacht this weekend. While In Munster the Phase 2 competitions continue and in Leinster the cups begin

Quin_Dub

Results from Munster U16 & U18 Cup this weekend.

Munster U16 Cup

Tralee 12 Ennis 13.
Mallow vs Midleton - postponed.
Thurles 10 Skibbereen 19.
Ballincollig 10 Kilfeacle 10.
Nenagh 20 Sunday's Well 24.
Killarney vs Cobh - postponed.
Abbeyfeale 0 Young Munster 5.
Douglas/Carrigaline 19 Waterpark 10.
Kinsale 19 Clanwilliam 14.

U18 Munster Cup

Bruff 15 Muskerry 5.
Midleton 31 Young Munster 7.
Clonakilty 0 Cork Con 19.
Cobh 23 Clanwilliam 0.
Bandon 38 Castleisland/Abbeyfeale 0.
Skibbereen 16 Waterford City 8.
Ennis 15 NCW/Estuary 10.
Nenagh 9 Waterpark 15.
Cashel/Fethard vs South Kerry - postponed.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Results from Munster U16 & U18 Cup this weekend.

Munster U16 Cup

Tralee 12 Ennis 13.
Mallow vs Midleton - postponed.
Thurles 10 Skibbereen 19.
Ballincollig 10 Kilfeacle 10.
Nenagh 20 Sunday's Well 24.
Killarney vs Cobh - postponed.
Abbeyfeale 0 Young Munster 5.
Douglas/Carrigaline 19 Waterpark 10.
Kinsale 19 Clanwilliam 14.

U18 Munster Cup

Bruff 15 Muskerry 5.
Midleton 31 Young Munster 7.
Clonakilty 0 Cork Con 19.
Cobh 23 Clanwilliam 0.
Bandon 38 Castleisland/Abbeyfeale 0.
Skibbereen 16 Waterford City 8.
Ennis 15 NCW/Estuary 10.
Nenagh 9 Waterpark 15.
Cashel/Fethard vs South Kerry - postponed.

Some decent games. Nenagh Waterpark was excellent game real high quality but few injuries to both sides with key players possibly out for a while on both sides.
Cork Con, Waterpark, Skibbereen, Cobh, Bruff and Bandon are all unbeaten in the under 18 cup after 2 rounds and leading way for quarter final places.

The Lost Sheep

Munster Phase 2 competitions. 2 rounds left before knockout stages. Games continue this weekend

As its mid term there is some screening games for provincial teams. In Leinster the under 18 clubs and under 19s had training games/session in Donnybrook this morning

irishfan9

Shane Horgan cup yesterday

South East have won 3 of 3 and defeated North East 22-21 yesterday in Ashbourne.

North Midlands defeated Midlands 7-0 yesterday also.

South East P:3 W:3 L:0
Midlands P:3 W:2 L:1
North East P:4 W:2 L:2
North Midlands P:3 W:1 L:2
Metro P:3 W:0 L:3

The Lost Sheep

2 weeks of games in Phase 2 of Munster competitions to go before knockout stage begins.

In the under 18s Cup Bandon lead group one on sixteen points with four wins from four. Next are Midleton and Bruff on three wins from four with Muskerry on eight points. Next weekend in final round is Bandon v Muskerry, Bruff v Midleton. Bandon should win to top the group with winner of other game deciding second and who automatically makes the quarter finals while the loser will either get a quarter final spot or be in a playoff.

Il discuss group three next as its easier... Waterpark are top with four wins from four. Theyve qualified but may not be top. Nenagh Ormond and Cork Con are on three wins from four. next weekend see's Cork Con host Waterpark. Nenagh travel to Cashel-Fethard and should almost certainly get the win. If Waterpark win it will be Waterpark first, Nenagh second and Con third but if Con win then there could be playoffs for the quarter finalists.

In group two. Skibbereen are top with three from three. Cobh are on three wins from four. Clan have two wins from four. Ennis have one win from three. Skibbereen host Cobh which will decide who will win the group. Ennis two games are against Skibbereen and Waterford City.

The Lost Sheep

In the Under 16 Cup Skibbereen are top with four wins from four, Ennis have three wins from three games. Skibbereen travel to Ennis this weekend. Winner will top the group. Loser of game will qualify for quarter in second place. Any of Mallow, Tralee or Thurles could qualify in third for a playoff/quarter final spot.

In group 2 Cobh are top with three wins from three. Ballincollig also unbeaten in three games but have drawn a game so two points behind Cobh. Kilfeacle have played four games and lost once but two were draws which puts them in third. Cobh Kilfeacle this weekend will be big game in deciding qualifiers.

Young Munster should beat winless so far Clanwilliam in final round to top group 3. Douglas Carrigaline should beat Kinsale which should get them a playoff/quarter final spot while Abbeyfeale v Waterpark will be winner takes all for a knock out spot

irishfan9

Leinster u18 club players who are currently playing pro rugby:

Props
Peter Dooley(Birr) - Leinster
Tadhg Furlong(New Ross) - Leinster
Vakh Abdaladze(Coolmine) - Leinster
Adam Coyle(Naas) - Leinster
Jack Aungier(Suttonians) - Leinster

Hookers
Tadhg McElroy(Dundalk) - Saracens

Second Rows
Mark Flanagan(Mullingar) - Saracens
Mick Kearney(Clontarf) - Leinster
Alan O'Connor(Skerries) - Ulster
Jack Regan(Birr) - Ulster

Backrow
Sean O'Brien(Tullow) - Leinster
Conor Oliver(Skerries) - Munster
Eoghan Masterson(Portloaise) - Connacht
Paul Boyle(Gorey) - Connacht
Sean Masterson(Portloaise) - Connacht

Scrumhalf

Outhalf
Joey Carbery(Athy) - Leinster
Ciaran Frawley(Skerries) - Leinster

Outside Backs
Eamonn Sheridan(Navan) - Carcassonne
Tom Daly(Carlow) - Leinster
Adam Byrne(Naas) - Leinster
Conor O'Brien(Mullingar) - Leinster

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Leinster u18 club players who are currently playing pro rugby:

Props
Peter Dooley(Birr) - Leinster
Tadhg Furlong(New Ross) - Leinster
Vakh Abdaladze(Coolmine) - Leinster
Adam Coyle(Naas) - Leinster
Jack Aungier(Suttonians) - Leinster

Hookers
Tadhg McElroy(Dundalk) - Saracens

Second Rows
Mark Flanagan(Mullingar) - Saracens
Mick Kearney(Clontarf) - Leinster
Alan O'Connor(Skerries) - Ulster
Jack Regan(Birr) - Ulster

Backrow
Sean O'Brien(Tullow) - Leinster
Conor Oliver(Skerries) - Munster
Eoghan Masterson(Portloaise) - Connacht
Paul Boyle(Gorey) - Connacht
Sean Masterson(Portloaise) - Connacht

Scrumhalf

Outhalf
Joey Carbery(Athy) - Leinster
Ciaran Frawley(Skerries) - Leinster

Outside Backs
Tom Daly(Carlow) - Leinster
Adam Byrne(Naas) - Leinster
Conor O'Brien(Mullingar) - Leinster

It's a pretty impressive list considering where it has come from. Age profile is pretty young as well which is a good sign of things to come hopefully

irishfan9

Conor Nash(Navan) is an obvious what if player...

The Lost Sheep

Irishfan any thoughts on youths competitions or do you just have an interest in individual players/provincial teams?

Quin_Dub

Munster Club Competitions Update

U16 CUP GROUP 1
1. ENNIS - confirmed.
2. SKIBBEREEN - confirmed.
3. TRALEE OR MALLOW who are level but play each other next week.

U16 CUP GROUP 2
1. COBH - confirmed.
2. BALLINCOLLIG OR NENAGH depending on results next week.
3. All dependent on results of 2 remaining games next week.

U16 CUP GROUP 3.
1. YOUNG MUNSTER - confirmed.
2. WATERPARK - confirmed.
3. ABBEYFEALE - confirmed.

U18 CUP GROUP 1.
1. BANDON - confirmed.
2. BRUFF OR MIDLETON.
3. BRUFF OR MIDLETON.

U18 CUP GROUP 2.
1. COBH - confirmed.
2. SKIBBEREEN OR ENNIS.
3. DEPENDS ON RESULT OF ENNIS/SKIBBEREEN. IF ENNIS WIN THEY WILL BE 2ND AND SKIBBEREEN 3RD. IF ENNIS LOSE THEN SKIBBEREEN 2ND AND ENNIS, NCW, CLANWILLIAM TIED 3RD.

U18 CUP GROUP 3.
1. WATERPARK - confirmed.
2. NENAGH - confirmed.
3. CORK CON - confirmed.

So Group 2 in both competitions still remain open with several teams still vying for qualification. Several games to be played this coming week-end , all refixed due to the bad weather in recent weeks.

At U18 in Group 2 Skibbereen will qualify regardless of the result - A Win or a draw would give them 2nd place and a loss would give them 3rd place. Ennis need to get something from the game to be certain of qualification - A win gives them 2nd , a draw guarantees 3rd place. A loss however and the 3 way tie along with NCW and Clanwilliam will probably be decided by pulling a name out of a hat as there would be no time for another play-off round.

In Group 1 at U18 , Midleton and Bruff played out a 15 All draw in Bruff , leaving them all square so they play-off again this week-end to decide the group , this time in Midleton.


Overall - All 1st place finishers get a Home QF , the three 2nd place teams go into a hat and one is drawn out for the final Home QF, the others play away . The three 3rd place finishers also go into a hat , 1st name out gets an away QF and the other two teams play-off for the remaining QF place.

Play-off games to be played on 10th/11th March and QF's to be played 17th/18th/19th March.

Semi-Finals set for w/e 24th March with the final 2 weeks later on 7th/8th April.

This year there is also a "Munster Development Cup" for the 10 teams that did not qualify from Phase 2 for the Cup. Depending on how many teams choose to enter this competition (I'd assume all would) there will be a round of playoffs on 10th/11th March with QF/SF and final on the same dates as the Cup.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Munster Club Competitions Update

U16 CUP GROUP 1
1. ENNIS - confirmed.
2. SKIBBEREEN - confirmed.
3. TRALEE OR MALLOW who are level but play each other next week.

U16 CUP GROUP 2
1. COBH - confirmed.
2. BALLINCOLLIG OR NENAGH depending on results next week.
3. All dependent on results of 2 remaining games next week.

U16 CUP GROUP 3.
1. YOUNG MUNSTER - confirmed.
2. WATERPARK - confirmed.
3. ABBEYFEALE - confirmed.

U18 CUP GROUP 1.
1. BANDON - confirmed.
2. BRUFF OR MIDLETON.
3. BRUFF OR MIDLETON.

U18 CUP GROUP 2.
1. COBH - confirmed.
2. SKIBBEREEN OR ENNIS.
3. DEPENDS ON RESULT OF ENNIS/SKIBBEREEN. IF ENNIS WIN THEY WILL BE 2ND AND SKIBBEREEN 3RD. IF ENNIS LOSE THEN SKIBBEREEN 2ND AND ENNIS, NCW, CLANWILLIAM TIED 3RD.

U18 CUP GROUP 3.
1. WATERPARK - confirmed.
2. NENAGH - confirmed.
3. CORK CON - confirmed.

So Group 2 in both competitions still remain open with several teams still vying for qualification. Several games to be played this coming week-end , all refixed due to the bad weather in recent weeks.

At U18 in Group 2 Skibbereen will qualify regardless of the result - A Win or a draw would give them 2nd place and a loss would give them 3rd place. Ennis need to get something from the game to be certain of qualification - A win gives them 2nd , a draw guarantees 3rd place. A loss however and the 3 way tie along with NCW and Clanwilliam will probably be decided by pulling a name out of a hat as there would be no time for another play-off round.

Overall - All 1st place finishers get a Home QF , the three 2nd place teams go into a hat and one is drawn out for the final Home QF, the others play away . The three 3rd place finishers also go into a hat , 1st name out gets an away QF and the other two teams play-off for the remaining QF place.

Play-off games to be played on 10th/11th March and QF's to be played 17th/18th/19th March.

Semi-Finals set for w/e 24th March with the final 2 weeks later on 7th/8th April.

This year there is also a "Munster Development Cup" for the 10 teams that did not qualify from Phase 2 for the Cup. Depending on how many teams choose to enter this competition (I'd assume all would) there will be a round of playoffs on 10th/11th March with QF/SF and final on the same dates as the Cup.

It really is best structured underage competition in the country.

What are your thoughts on the competitions? Winners etc. What club again are you involved in?

The Lost Sheep

Do you know what way the Plate/Bowl are structured now?

Quin_Dub

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Do you know what way the Plate/Bowl are structured now?

I've not been following the results in the Plate/Bowl but the format and dates are exactly the same as the Cup..

The "Development" cup is new this season for the team not qualifying for the knock-out stages from the Cup.

I'd guess most, if not all would go forward for that competition and the standard would be pretty good as if you look at the results from Phase 2 of the Cup there was not a whole lot between top and bottom in the groups , certainly at U18 there were no blow-out results at all , one or two at 16's but generally the teams were all really competitive.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I've not been following the results in the Plate/Bowl but the format and dates are exactly the same as the Cup..

The "Development" cup is new this season for the team not qualifying for the knock-out stages from the Cup.

I'd guess most, if not all would go forward for that competition and the standard would be pretty good as if you look at the results from Phase 2 of the Cup there was not a whole lot between top and bottom in the groups, certainly at U18 there were no blow-out results at all, one or two at 16's but generally the teams were all really competitive.

Hopefully they do.
Yeah real lack of blow outs is good sign. Standards really improving with this competition.
Hopefully we may see more coverage now competitions is getting to end stages

Tim Robbins

irishfan9 wrote: »

a leinster u19 youth side lost 52-0 to st. michaels college

not surprising given they are a rep side who have just came together for one game against potentially the best schools side in the country who have been playing and training together for months.

still not a great scoreline to see

That's a super point. It shows you how much regular coaching of a high standard makes a difference. Would be very interesting if you put the same two teams against each other in three years time.

The Lost Sheep

Tim Robbins wrote: »

That's a super point. It shows you how much regular coaching of a high standard makes a difference. Would be very interesting if you put the same two teams against each other in three years time.

No point. This was a club side playing together for possibly first time ever against guys from one school used to playing same system.
A lot of these players will have been in leinster age grade system for 3/4 years so will have been getting very regular coaching of a high standard

irishfan9

Top underage club prospects:

1. Daragh Bolger(Clontarf/under-19)
2. Declan Adamson(Clontarf/under-19)
3. Conan Dunne(Kilkenny/under-19)
4. Cormac Daly(North Kildare/Clontarf/under-20)
5. Fionn Gilbert(Clontarf/under-18)
6. JJ O'Dea(Navan/Old Wesley/under-20)
7. Martin Moloney(Athy/under-19)
8. Patrick Kiernan(Greystones/under-18)
9. Shane Murphy(Skerries/under-18)
10. Patrick McKenzie(Wicklow/under-18)
11. Ben Jones(MU Barnhall/under-18)
12. Sean O'Brien(Mullingar/Clontarf/under-20)
13. Karl Martin(Boyne/under-18)
14. Thomas Jones(North Kildare/under-18)
15. Conor Dunne(Tullamore/Clontarf/under-20)

Struggle to find many backs who could make the academy.
Leinster underage club game has taken a step back recently in terms of producing academy prospects IMO.

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

Top underage club prospects:

1. Daragh Bolger(Clontarf/under-19)
2. Declan Adamson(Clontarf/under-19)
3. Conan Dunne(Kilkenny/under-19)
4. Cormac Daly(North Kildare/Clontarf/under-20)
5. Fionn Gilbert(Clontarf/under-18)
6. JJ O'Dea(Navan/Old Wesley/under-20)
7. Martin Moloney(Athy/under-19)
8. Patrick Kiernan(Greystones/under-18)
9. Shane Murphy(Skerries/under-18)
10. Patrick McKenzie(Wicklow/under-18)
11. Ben Jones(MU Barnhall/under-18)
12. Sean O'Brien(Mullingar/Clontarf/under-20)
13. Karl Martin(Boyne/under-18)
14. Thomas Jones(North Kildare/under-18)
15. Conor Dunne(Tullamore/Clontarf/under-20)

Struggle to find many backs who could make the academy.
Leinster underage club game has taken a step back recently in terms of producing academy prospects IMO.

Karl Martin is only an under 16
Not so sure underage club game has taken step back even if numbers making academy are as high as before.

Any thoughts on other provinces?

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

Top underage club prospects:

1. Daragh Bolger(Clontarf/under-19)
2. Declan Adamson(Clontarf/under-19)
3. Conan Dunne(Kilkenny/under-19)
4. Cormac Daly(North Kildare/Clontarf/under-20)
5. Fionn Gilbert(Clontarf/under-18)
6. JJ O'Dea(Navan/Old Wesley/under-20)
7. Martin Moloney(Athy/under-19)
8. Patrick Kiernan(Greystones/under-18)
9. Shane Murphy(Skerries/under-18)
10. Patrick McKenzie(Wicklow/under-18)
11. Ben Jones(MU Barnhall/under-18)
12. Sean O'Brien(Mullingar/Clontarf/under-20)
13. Karl Martin(Boyne/under-18)
14. Thomas Jones(North Kildare/under-18)
15. Conor Dunne(Tullamore/Clontarf/under-20)

Struggle to find many backs who could make the academy.
Leinster underage club game has taken a step back recently in terms of producing academy prospects IMO.

Karl Martin is only an under 16
Not so sure underage club game has taken step back even if numbers making academy are as high as before.

Any thoughts on other provinces?

The Lost Sheep

All games off this weekend

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Top underage club prospects:

1. Daragh Bolger(Clontarf/under-19)
2. Declan Adamson(Clontarf/under-19)
3. Conan Dunne(Kilkenny/under-19)
4. Cormac Daly(North Kildare/Clontarf/under-20)
5. Fionn Gilbert(Clontarf/under-18)
6. JJ O'Dea(Navan/Old Wesley/under-20)
7. Martin Moloney(Athy/under-19)
8. Patrick Kiernan(Greystones/under-18)
9. Shane Murphy(Skerries/under-18)
10. Patrick McKenzie(Wicklow/under-18)
11. Ben Jones(MU Barnhall/under-18)
12. Sean O'Brien(Mullingar/Clontarf/under-20)
13. Karl Martin(Boyne/under-18)
14. Thomas Jones(North Kildare/under-18)
15. Conor Dunne(Tullamore/Clontarf/under-20)

Struggle to find many backs who could make the academy.
Leinster underage club game has taken a step back recently in terms of producing academy prospects IMO.

Nice to see so many Tarf lads in there. Not long ago you wouldn't have included many. Nice to see the work being put into creating a better coaching structure is paying off.

Tim Robbins

irishfan9 wrote: »

Top underage club prospects:

1. Daragh Bolger(Clontarf/under-19)
2. Declan Adamson(Clontarf/under-19)
3. Conan Dunne(Kilkenny/under-19)
4. Cormac Daly(North Kildare/Clontarf/under-20)
5. Fionn Gilbert(Clontarf/under-18)
6. JJ O'Dea(Navan/Old Wesley/under-20)
7. Martin Moloney(Athy/under-19)
8. Patrick Kiernan(Greystones/under-18)
9. Shane Murphy(Skerries/under-18)
10. Patrick McKenzie(Wicklow/under-18)
11. Ben Jones(MU Barnhall/under-18)
12. Sean O'Brien(Mullingar/Clontarf/under-20)
13. Karl Martin(Boyne/under-18)
14. Thomas Jones(North Kildare/under-18)
15. Conor Dunne(Tullamore/Clontarf/under-20)

Struggle to find many backs who could make the academy.
Leinster underage club game has taken a step back recently in terms of producing academy prospects IMO.

Fair play for having such knowledge of the grass roots scene. Very impressive.

The Lost Sheep

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Nice to see so many Tarf lads in there. Not long ago you wouldn't have included many. Nice to see the work being put into creating a better coaching structure is paying off.

Yeah ye've done a lot of work. Seen/reffed quite a few of ye're teams over years. Great to see club fielding so many teams at all grades

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Fair play for having such knowledge of the grass roots scene. Very impressive.

Any thoughts on youths rugby yourself tim? Like competitions/standards?