For people who make less than those on the dole...

ebixa82

Dravokivich wrote: »

The bit I crossed out is irrelevant to what you are doing now.

Work Placement schemes are there to get people looking for work, into the environment they are looking to work in.

OP is suggesting that if you don't get a spot in your choosen carrer or earn less then what benifits provide, you should ditch the job and claim benifits under the guise of using the "free time" for voluntary work.

Sorry you seem to have misunderstood the OP. There were two options, you should have a look at the first one!

Millicent

ebixa82 wrote: »

If you are in a recession there is no employment out there. And if you were to spend your time productively giving something back by doing voluntary work I'm sure you could still find time to look for a job.

I recently applied for an internship with an NGO and had to turn down the interview because I would lose my dole. And yet, if I was on a WPP, I could.

OP, people cannot do what you are proposing without losing their entitlements.

Newaglish

Gummy Panda wrote: »

So you are saying these people are too good for these jobs?

Who are these jobs good enough for?

It's a thing called unskilled labour. It's for people who do not have any specialised skills.

Everyone enters the working world as a minimum wage unskilled employee. Some people decide to go and get skills (either through work, training or education) and then look for jobs that are suitable for their level of skill. Once these people are skilled it's perfectly valid for them to look for a job appropriate to their level and yes, they are then "too good" for minimum wage jobs.

GeorgeBailey

Gummy Panda wrote: »

So you are saying these people are too good for these jobs?

Who are these jobs good enough for?

Well people with qualifications ARE too good for those jobs. Goes without saying I would have thought.

People who are good enough for those jobs are those without qualifications/discernible skills

common sense brigade

Well people with qualifications ARE too good for those jobs

Not something i would ever have expected George Bailey hero of the underdog to say:)

Jim

Newaglish wrote: »

It's a thing called unskilled labour. It's for people who do not have any specialised skills.

Everyone enters the working world as a minimum wage unskilled employee. Some people decide to go and get skills (either through work, training or education) and then look for jobs that are suitable for their level of skill. Once these people are skilled it's perfectly valid for them to look for a job appropriate to their level and yes, they are then "too good" for minimum wage jobs.

What do you mean by "too good"? Too good as in they shouldn't take those jobs if they are offered them even if they can't get work in their chosen field?

If that's the case then we should start restricting education lest we run out of people to do those jobs.

gosuckonalemon

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Well people with qualifications ARE too good for those jobs. Goes without saying I would have thought.

People who are good enough for those jobs are those without qualifications/discernible skills

Totally agree.

I spent years busting my ass in college, my parents invested alot of hard earned money in my education and as a result I've got a stable job and have been paying taxes for the last 10 years or so.

There is no fcukin way I'm gonna go working in a crap minimum wage job just for the sake of it. I've paid my taxes long enough, if I find myself jobless I'll bide my time, do something constructive with it until a job that matching my qualifications comes up, however long it takes..

gosuckonalemon

Jim wrote: »

What do you mean by "too good"? Too good as in they shouldn't take those jobs if they are offered them even if they can't get work in their chosen field?

If that's the case then we should start restricting education lest we run out of people to do those jobs.

No need to restrict education, there will always be people who never become skilled and are willing to do these jobs, sadly mostly from lower socio-economic groups or immigrants, but they will ALWAYS exist.

Jim

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

No need to restrict education, there will always be people who never become skilled and are willing to do these jobs, sadly mostly from lower socio-economic groups or immigrants, but they will ALWAYS exist.

No they wont. They'll start leaving as soon as the economy goes to ****. Just like they're doing now. What we're left with is a highly skilled workforce who wont do jobs they see as below them.

gosuckonalemon

Jim wrote: »

No they wont. They'll start leaving as soon as the economy goes to ****. Just like they're doing now. What we're left with is a highly skilled workforce who wont do jobs they see as below them.

You are talking about migrant workers only there.

Firstly, not all migrant workers are going to leave, and secondly we will always have an indigenous unskilled workforce.

Think about it, as if any nation would ever find themselves in a situation where they have to high a skilled workforce..nonsense!

Naikon

Some people are just deluded. Just because you have a degree, does not mean you are entitled to anything. It's not even a sign of anything very special anymore, since plenty of people have a degree in some useless tripe like social sciences or whatever.

Having one makes you more marketable, sure. The "harder" the degree, the better. Does not mean you have the ability to demand a job though.
I am nearly finished my degree, but I would never consider myself below working minimum wage positions. Some people have an awful sense of entitlement. Really, REALLY pisses me off. You get places by working hard and having some initiative, not by possessing delusions of grandeur.

Naikon

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

No need to restrict education, there will always be people who never become skilled and are willing to do these jobs, sadly mostly from lower socio-economic groups or immigrants, but they will ALWAYS exist.

You are suffering from a delusion, my friend.

Nolanger

Lambsbread wrote: »

If you are on the dole you are supposed to be looked for employment. Not spending 30-35 hours doing volunteer work per week.

Unless it's abroad and then you can claim dole credits while doing voluntary work.

Mike 1972

saywhatyousee wrote: »

Why not just work a job that does not suit your quailifaction till a suitable job comes up?

Because an employer with such a job will despite hundreds of other applicants being available have no problem offering you such a job and training you up in the full knowledge that once a suitably job comes up elsewhere youll be out of there like shyte from an elephants @r$€;

Lambsbread wrote: »

If you are on the dole you are supposed to be looked for employment. Not spending 30-35 hours doing volunteer work per week.

Even if you have this crazy idea that it might give you this silly thing called "experience" which for some reason potential employers seem to like ?

gosuckonalemon

Naikon wrote: »

You are suffering from a delusion, my friend.

Why so, my friend?

bmarley

As a post grad myself I have never thought of myself as too well educated or too clever to do any job that was not my first/second preference. Unfortunately, mortgage and other bills have to be paid so I would not be in a position to take up a volunteer position (no matter how much I would love it and be able to offer) and claim rent allowances and other entitlements instead. Currently working 2 part-time jobs, which are fairly intense, but poorly paid just to pay the bills at the end of each week.

Anyone who wishes to volunteer should look at all the volunteering jobs on the fas website (in the form of 9 month work placements). Of all the jobs currently on offer, in all areas of the country the majority of these are work placement opportunities. Many of these are for graduates and some have requirements such as vast experience in the area of work. It is my opinion that many of these companies/employers are trying to take advantage of the many people who are currently unemployed. The more people that take up these positions, the less paid jobs will be on offer in the future. There are other posts on boards in relation to this which state that at the end of 9 months their placement is finished and a new candidate is found. Say no to these placements!

3DataModem

Job hunting is almost a full time occupation, if done optimally.

If you dont think you can spend 25-30 hours per week job hunting, you are not doing it right.

It is not just about searching 3 websites and sending two or three emails each day. Plugging contacts, meeting agents (to get industry info, etc), searching employers websites, etc.

I did six weeks hard graft last Oct/Nov. Never let up until I had the offer I wanted.

mickdw

Cause when you are a self employed professional, you dont get dole and have to keep plugging away at the very poorly paid work.

Wagon

Can we ban these fúcking threads?

Seriously, they keep appearing! At least once a fúcking week, we all see this ****e and about how people on the dole should work for it.

Let's clear something up. Most people on the dole want to work. The one's that don't existed before the crash and long before that again. These are the people that you should be bitching at. Now, the working man who was laid off is having trouble finding a job because the unemployment rate in Ireland is among one of the highest in Europe. So they decide to use their hard earned PRSI contributions to get some benefits so they can put food on the table. They aren't all bloody wasters.

Working for your dole isn't an option either. Because a company will see this, not as an opportunity to let someone gain experience, but to exploit them for cheap labour. Before I left Ireland, i was offered a "work experience" position. I'm not exactly short on work experience either. I'd get the dole for a 40 hour a week position while the rest of the office got a full time wage. That wouldn't be a problem as such for me, but I'd also have to pay for transport and lunch which will be coming out of my dole anyway. I'm not the only one who was offered such a scheme. It's a joke. Most people on the dole would like to earn a living. Hell, most people need to.

So now that we've cleared that up, can we delete or at least merge all these threads into one? I'm not exactly one for demanding anything of boards mods but AH is supposed to be fun right?

Onikage

Wagon wrote: »

So now that we've cleared that up

Must have missed the part where you wrapped up all the loose ends, maybe that's why these threads keep appearing.

ebixa82

Wagon wrote: »

Can we ban these fúcking threads?

Seriously, they keep appearing! At least once a fúcking week, we all see this ****e and about how people on the dole should work for it.

Let's clear something up. Most people on the dole want to work. The one's that don't existed before the crash and long before that again. These are the people that you should be bitching at. Now, the working man who was laid off is having trouble finding a job because the unemployment rate in Ireland is among one of the highest in Europe. So they decide to use their hard earned PRSI contributions to get some benefits so they can put food on the table. They aren't all bloody wasters.

Working for your dole isn't an option either. Because a company will see this, not as an opportunity to let someone gain experience, but to exploit them for cheap labour. Before I left Ireland, i was offered a "work experience" position. I'm not exactly short on work experience either. I'd get the dole for a 40 hour a week position while the rest of the office got a full time wage. That wouldn't be a problem as such for me, but I'd also have to pay for transport and lunch which will be coming out of my dole anyway. I'm not the only one who was offered such a scheme. It's a joke. Most people on the dole would like to earn a living. Hell, most people need to.

So now that we've cleared that up, can we delete or at least merge all these threads into one? I'm not exactly one for demanding anything of boards mods but AH is supposed to be fun right?

LOL...cleared what up exactly? You had a little rant and demanded the thread be closed...not demanding are we not? Hahahahaha

Chaotic_Forces

common sense brigade wrote: »

Well we can only hope your stamps will run out soon and you will be forced to go out and find work in order to support yourself. and you can do your charity work at weekends and in evenings if you love it so much. i cannot believe i am paying tax in order to keep people like you happy.

Learn what stamps are, learn what they get you and learn what your taxes go to before you act high and mighty.

CorkMan

Lambsbread wrote: »

If you are on the dole you are supposed to be looked for employment. Not spending 30-35 hours doing volunteer work per week.

If you are on the dole you are supposed to work 30 hours a week....oh wait.

ebixa82

3DataModem wrote: »

Job hunting is almost a full time occupation, if done optimally.

If you dont think you can spend 25-30 hours per week job hunting, you are not doing it right.

It is not just about searching 3 websites and sending two or three emails each day. Plugging contacts, meeting agents (to get industry info, etc), searching employers websites, etc.

I did six weeks hard graft last Oct/Nov. Never let up until I had the offer I wanted.

I'm not taking the pi.ss here, you should set up a course in job hunting...

At the same time, it would be difficult to spend 25-30 hours per week looking for jobs that simply don't exist anymore!

Wagon

Onikage wrote: »

Must have missed the part where you wrapped up all the loose ends, maybe that's why these threads keep appearing.

ebixa82 wrote: »

LOL...cleared what up exactly? You had a little rant and demanded the thread be closed...not demanding are we not? Hahahahaha

Patience young grasshoppers. Patience...

gosuckonalemon

Wagon wrote: »

Can we ban these fúcking threads?

Seriously, they keep appearing! At least once a fúcking week, we all see this ****e and about how people on the dole should work for it.

Let's clear something up. Most people on the dole want to work. The one's that don't existed before the crash and long before that again. These are the people that you should be bitching at. Now, the working man who was laid off is having trouble finding a job because the unemployment rate in Ireland is among one of the highest in Europe. So they decide to use their hard earned PRSI contributions to get some benefits so they can put food on the table. They aren't all bloody wasters.

It's true that most people want to work, but that doesn't mean most people are going to take any old crap minimum paid job that arises.

After many years in college, work and paying taxes there's no way I'd go working a minimum paid job just because, as some people seem to think here, it's my patriotic duty.
I will sleep easily at night drawing the dole having paid the guts of 150,000e in taxes to date and wait til a job that suits my qualification comes up. Or else get the fcuk out of this country altogether!

sashafierce

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gosuckonalemon

sashafierce wrote: »

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I don't think anybody would have a problem working a job not related to their qualifications as long as they enjoyed it and it paid well.

I think the OP chose abrakebabra as an example. Working Saturday night in any city centre fast food joint would be pretty crap. Someone has to do it of course, there will always be people willing, but people shouldn't be made out to be elitest or whatever just because they choose not to.

I personally wouldn't. I've paid enough taxes over the years to claim the dole without guilt and use my time more productively.

Motley Crue

Aren't there certain rules as well about volunteer work when you're on the dole?

Chaotic_Forces

Motley Crue wrote: »

Aren't there certain rules as well about volunteer work when you're on the dole?

You can't do it as it interferes in the process of looking for jobs. Yes, we're to spend 39 hours a week job-hunting.