Footballer kills owl during football match

tiger55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZtVeTyDl0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZtVeTyDl0

GLaDOS

He didn't kill him

tiger55

ScienceNerd wrote: »

He didn't kill him

An owl that was viciously kicked by professional soccer player Luis Moreno during a Colombian first division game died early Tuesday as a result of the brutal attack that has outraged animal rights activists.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2011/03/01/2011-03-01_owl_kicked_by_soccer_player_luis_moreno_during_game_in_colombia_dies_as_a_result.html#ixzz1FTzmKbIk

Basq

That's a shame!

Last I read it had it's wing in a sling, and was recovering well.

Any more news on what will happen to Luis Moreno?

tiger55

Basq wrote: »

That's a shame!

Last I read it had it's wing in a sling, and was recovering well.

Any more news on what will happen to Luis Moreno?

Doubt the player will get punished.

I hope that owl was a pet of some drug cartels boss

Taco Corp

What a prick

strokemyclover

Just be thankful this wasn't on RTE: they would have replayed the player kicking the owl over and over - similar to when Frank Rijkaard spat on Rudi Voeller in the last 16 of Italia '90!

GLaDOS

tiger55 wrote: »

An owl that was viciously kicked by professional soccer player Luis Moreno during a Colombian first division game died early Tuesday as a result of the brutal attack that has outraged animal rights activists.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2011/03/01/2011-03-01_owl_kicked_by_soccer_player_luis_moreno_during_game_in_colombia_dies_as_a_result.html#ixzz1FTzmKbIk

Ah fair enough, I heard it was recovering

steddyeddy

tiger55 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZtVeTyDl0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZtVeTyDl0

Absolutly low, that scum better not have kids. people who enjoy inflicting suffering on animals are more likely to inflict suffering on those weaker than them

smokie2008

No respect for animals, obviously doesn't give a hoot...














**gets coat**

Basq

tiger55 wrote: »

Doubt the player will get punished.

Turns out he got suspended for two games, and a fine of $560.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/soccer/wires/03/02/2020.ap.soc.colombia.owl.dies.1st.ld.writethru.0217/

Not nearly harsh enough, but it's something - the principle that this sort of behaviour should not be tolerated.

tiger55

Been reported that the owl was the mascot of the other team, that player was lucky to get out of there alive.

Zombienosh

tiger55 wrote: »

Been reported that the owl was the mascot of the other team, that player was lucky to get out of there alive.

I was wondering where the owl would randomly appear from.
What a ****, should have been punished more.

kowloon

Apparently he has received threats. Good.

dannydiamond

ScienceNerd wrote: »

He didn't kill him

Oh yes he did.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/top-story/the-colombian-soccer-owl-has-died/

steddyeddy

well hopefully more death threats to follow not that I want them followed through but maybe the scum involved will cop on and get help.

Fight_Night

Jaysus who cares its only an owl. He hardly deserves to get death threats for kicking a bird.

markok84

wish i didn't watch that

Basq

Fight_Night wrote: »

Jaysus who cares its only an owl. He hardly deserves to get death threats for kicking a bird.

And their lives are worthless, are they? Cop on! :rolleyes:

If Moreno treats animals like that, he deserves punishment. Death threats are maybe a step too far, but this sort of thing should not go unpunished!

steddyeddy

Fight_Night wrote: »

Jaysus who cares its only an owl. He hardly deserves to get death threats for kicking a bird.

numerous studies have been done indicating that people with an inclination towards animal abuse have tendencies towards child and spousal abuse. Putting the phrase "its just a" in front of the subject of the violence makes it any more acceptable, in the past "its only a" has been used to justify everything and anything that has been seen as inferior and fair game for violence. The more enlightened amongst us recognise that the will it takes to inflict pain on an animal is interchangeable with the will required to inflict pain on any living thing!

Bosco boy

He shouldnt have done it but I think it was a spur of the moment thing that he probally regretted straight away when he realised what he had done. I doubt he meant to kill it and it was just to put it off the pitch so the match could continue, I'd like to hear what he had to say about it. The death threat stuff is pathetic.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

FOWL!

Fight_Night

steddyeddy wrote: »

numerous studies have been done indicating that people with an inclination towards animal abuse have tendencies towards child and spousal abuse. Putting the phrase "its just a" in front of the subject of the violence makes it any more acceptable, in the past "its only a" has been used to justify everything and anything that has been seen as inferior and fair game for violence. The more enlightened amongst us recognise that the will it takes to inflict pain on an animal is interchangeable with the will required to inflict pain on any living thing!

For all we know this is a once off incident and when playing football, you get frustrated, should he have kicked the owl? No but he probably didn't mean to kill it. And despite your holier than thou attitude, you're the one who is encouraging him to get death threats, thats hardly the sign of an 'enlightened' empathetic person is it?

steddyeddy

Bosco boy wrote: »

He shouldnt have done it but I think it was a spur of the moment thing that he probally regretted straight away when he realised what he had done. I doubt he meant to kill it and it was just to put it off the pitch so the match could continue, I'd like to hear what he had to say about it. The death threat stuff is pathetic.

In fairness kicking a downed animal isnt a reaction of a stable human being

Pace2008

In all fairness I'd say he has grounds for temporary insanity given the sheer what-the-****-ness of the situation.

I never thought I'd say this, but if ever there were a scenario I'd end up kicking an owl, it'd be if it intercepted my pass in a football match.

steddyeddy

Fight_Night wrote: »

For all we know this is a once off incident and when playing football, you get frustrated, should he have kicked the owl? No but he probably didn't mean to kill it. And despite your holier than thou attitude, you're the one who is encouraging him to get death threats, thats hardly the sign of an 'enlightened' empathetic person is it?

I couldnt care wheter he gets death threats as I said before I wouldnt want them followed through. Wheter or not he meant to kill it is irelevent. He saw a injured creature and his first reaction was to kick it. Truely a depraved man.

Pace2008

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness kicking a downed animal isnt a reaction of a stable human being

In fairness having an owl jump in as twelfth man for the opposition is not a situation you'd ever expect to encounter in your time on earth.

It's not like stuffed it in a cage and plucked its feather out with pliers.

steddyeddy

Bosco boy wrote: »

He shouldnt have done it but I think it was a spur of the moment thing that he probally regretted straight away when he realised what he had done. I doubt he meant to kill it and it was just to put it off the pitch so the match could continue, I'd like to hear what he had to say about it. The death threat stuff is pathetic.

They wont be followed through theres some extremists in animal welfare but saying that If it stops him doing it again good. Frustration during a game is no grounds to kick an injured animal.

Skerries

i thought you scored goals in football not birdies

steddyeddy

Pace2008 wrote: »

In fairness having an owl jump in as twelfth man for the opposition is not a situation you'd ever expect to encounter in your time on earth.

It's not like stuffed it in a cage and plucked its feather out with pliers.

True its not to be expected in any situation but in that situation my instincts dont guide me to kick it, if they did id seek help.

Pace2008

steddyeddy wrote: »

True its not to be expected in any situation but in that situation my instincts dont guide me to kick it, if they did id seek help.

I don't think I'd have done it myself but to go on and imply he might have a predisposition towards violence against children is a bit obscene. This isn't some degenerate who boots his dog when his horses don't come in.

RichieC

"It wasn't my intention to hit the animal. What I tried to do was wake it up so it could fly," Moreno said, according to Reuters.

JFC..

steddyeddy

Pace2008 wrote: »

I don't think I'd have done it myself but to go on and imply he might have a predisposition towards violence against children is a bit obscene. This isn't some degenerate who boots his dog when his horses don't come in.

Actually cruelty to animals and cross species cruelty (ie people who are liable to inflict cruelty on animals dont stop with non human species) is well documented and first noticed and documented by the fbi, animal protection agencies in america report such criminals to the police in a pre emptive effort to prevent their violence crossing species.

In a study of 57 families being treated for incidents of child abuse, 88% also abused animals. In two-thirds of the cases, it was the abusive parent who had killed or injured the animals to control a child. In one-third, the children had abused the animals, using them as scapegoats for their anger. (Quoted from The American Humane Association)

Edit: to reiterate its not a sign of a healthy mind.

tallaghtoutlaws

steddyeddy wrote: »

well hopefully more death threats to follow not that I want them followed through but maybe the scum involved will cop on and get help.

steddyeddy wrote: »

numerous studies have been done indicating that people with an inclination towards animal abuse have tendencies towards child and spousal abuse. Putting the phrase "its just a" in front of the subject of the violence makes it any more acceptable, in the past "its only a" has been used to justify everything and anything that has been seen as inferior and fair game for violence. The more enlightened amongst us recognise that the will it takes to inflict pain on an animal is interchangeable with the will required to inflict pain on any living thing!

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness kicking a downed animal isnt a reaction of a stable human being

steddyeddy wrote: »

I couldnt care wheter he gets death threats as I said before I wouldnt want them followed through. Wheter or not he meant to kill it is irelevent. He saw a injured creature and his first reaction was to kick it. Truely a depraved man.

steddyeddy wrote: »

They wont be followed through theres some extremists in animal welfare but saying that If it stops him doing it again good. Frustration during a game is no grounds to kick an injured animal.

steddyeddy wrote: »

True its not to be expected in any situation but in that situation my instincts dont guide me to kick it, if they did id seek help.

http://www.springer.com/psychology/book/978-0-387-76661-4

May I suggest you read this before you hand out any advice on ones mental condition. For someone condoning death threats you should really look into ones self before sitting up there on your almighty high horse.

steddyeddy

Just a point on the "frustration" (of a game by the way, a bloody game) I dont know how many times has a dog ran on the pitch during a game between friends in my youth and not one of us out of instinct or "frustration" ( if a frustrating game causes animal abuse how will more frustrating situations affect the person) kicked the animal to get of the pitch. Not a normal reaction, the civilised part of me would not see that as viable and im proud of that.

steddyeddy

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

http://www.springer.com/psychology/book/978-0-387-76661-4

May I suggest you read this before you hand out any advice on ones mental condition. For someone condoning death threats you should really look into ones self before sitting up there on your almighty high horse.

Almighty high horse ha ha, if the ability to not kick an animal out of frustration paints me as holier than tho then things are getting bad. As i said i have no problem with the player getting death threats if it prevents him doing it again as i clarified i would have a problem with any violence towards the man.

SV

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

http://www.springer.com/psychology/book/978-0-387-76661-4

May I suggest you read this before you hand out any advice on ones mental condition. For someone condoning death threats you should really look into ones self before sitting up there on your almighty high horse.

To speak of such things is an entirely different thing altogether then to actually be in a position to act on them.
One is of anger and frustration, the other..well, it's of a mental imbalance.
Should do well to not get them mixed up.



As for the player, well, he's a scumbag. What more?

tallaghtoutlaws

steddyeddy wrote: »

Almighty high horse ha ha, if the ability to not kick an animal out of frustration paints me as holier than tho then things are getting bad. As i said i have no problem with the player getting death threats if it prevents him doing it again as i clarified i would have a problem with any violence towards the man.

So rather than use proper methods to work with this man and possible issues he may have you would rather his life threatened and would condone possible threats?

You do realise in spousal abuse death threats are heavily linked right? Many Men use the death threat of a child against their spouse. Whether they ever follow through on hitting the child is another thing but the mere threat alone is enough to keep the spouse in the same house as her abuser out of fear he will bring harm to the child.

That book I pointed to you shows the link between death threats and many different situations that involves abuse or deaths or shootings. So before you condone death threats before more safer methods to deal with the issue of kicking a bird maybe do a bit of research into the affects of said threats.

Sl!mCharles

What a rat.

Bosco boy

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness kicking a downed animal isnt a reaction of a stable human being

Have you ever done something stupid in the spur of the moment that you regretted and that was out of character and ill though out? I have and so have most people I know. If this guy expresses regret then stop the witch hunt, i am an aminal lover but I've seen people do just as bad to other people and the public stood by and did nothing!!

steddyeddy

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

So rather than use proper methods to work with this man and possible issues he may have you would rather his life threatened and would condone possible threats?

You do realise in spousal abuse death threats are heavily linked right? Many Men use the death threat of a child against their spouse. Whether they ever follow through on hitting the child is another thing but the mere threat alone is enough to keep the spouse in the same house as her abuser out of fear he will bring harm to the child.

That book I pointed to you shows the link between death threats and many different situations that involves abuse or deaths or shootings. So before you condone death threats before more safer methods to deal with the issue of kicking a bird maybe do a bit of research into the affects of said threats.

Well I would rather proper methods be used of course and in fairness its hard for me to have sympathy for a man who does this to another animal but saying that it would be fair to say that someone who sends death threats is of course disturbed but inflicting injury on a creature like this is far worse than sending death threats. Both may have connections to abuse but actual abuse of a living creature is far more pressing.

Kersmash

I coulda sworn that video was fake... It just doesn't look real.

WHY WAS AN OWL ON THE PITCH?

tiger55

Kersmash wrote: »

I coulda sworn that video was fake... It just doesn't look real.

WHY WAS AN OWL ON THE PITCH?

It was the other teams mascot

Metallitroll

steddyeddy wrote: »

Absolutly low, that scum better not have kids. people who enjoy inflicting suffering on animals are more likely to inflict suffering on those weaker than them

incapacitated beauty meets big strapping beast, i've already voiced my grievances about this over in the fifa forum the fella is a complete bobo and an arrogant thicko, no paused football match is more important than that bird's life, not quite a rat with wings its a bizarre act to see, real touching moment of humanity looks all the more epic in slow mo.

i'd have thought he should have his career ended and imprisoned, however the owl was the home side's club mascot also i have heard mumblings of superstition/witchcraft, ju ju mumbo jumbo where it may have been considered bad luck/evil, but the bird had some serious bad luck finding itself incapacitated in the face of evil.

mayordenis

Fight_Night wrote: »

For all we know this is a once off incident and when playing football, you get frustrated, should he have kicked the owl? No but he probably didn't mean to kill it. And despite your holier than thou attitude, you're the one who is encouraging him to get death threats, thats hardly the sign of an 'enlightened' empathetic person is it?

I believe that anyone that removes the life of any creature should or can have the same reciprocated, so while I condemn kicking a bird to death I don't mind if the person who does such faces the same faith.

tallaghtoutlaws

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I would rather proper methods be used of course and in fairness its hard for me to have sympathy for a man who does this to another animal but saying that it would be fair to say that someone who sends death threats is of course disturbed but inflicting injury on a creature like this is far worse than sending death threats. Both may have connections to abuse but actual abuse of a living creature is far more pressing.

Out of interest people who kill animals for game, Do you regard those folk as potential abusers?

NIMAN

tbh, it didn't look overly healthy before the guy kicked it.

Or perhaps it was just having a wee snooze on the pitch, before the guy hit it with the ball?

I'd say the kick didn't kill it, it was on the way out anyway.

bronte

What an absolute asshole.

niallon

NIMAN wrote: »

tbh, it didn't look overly healthy before the guy kicked it.

Or perhaps it was just having a wee snooze on the pitch, before the guy hit it with the ball?

I'd say the kick didn't kill it, it was on the way out anyway.

A nocturnal creature on the middle of a football pitch during the day? I'd imagine it just didn't have a ****ing clue what was going on. this scumbag deserves nothing less than his balls in a vice, pure fúcking animal behaviour, hope he gets a serious taste of his own medicine some day.

markfla

It's a shame as kids look up to footballers...although personally I don't think the majority of them would be great role models outside of owl kicking anyway.

Yitzhak Rabin

mayordenis wrote: »

I believe that anyone that removes the life of any creature should or can have the same reciprocated, so while I condemn kicking a bird to death I don't mind if the person who does such faces the same faith.

Get a grip!

You think he should be kicked to death because he kicked a bird off a pitch. I think I know who is a bigger sociopath.