Skull Girls discussion thread

K.O.Kiki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srasx1s69AM

Helmed by Mike Z.

Would this be the first original fighter from the US since the 90s?

Doctor DooM

I actually thought they were going black and white, and I thought it looked really cool

I'm slightly disappointed it's in colour!

Is this going to be a disc release?

Sairus

Nar, PSN and XBLA I think.

There were a few gameplay vids put up a while back that had less complete sprites. I'm really glad they shaded and coloured them properly - I thought the old ones were the finished product and looked blegh.

It's a shame a game with such nice looking sprites and an apperantly great combat system has a trailer like this that doesn't really flaunt the gameplay much.

Placebo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z2RdES7Xew

they all look the same to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-SVRBY667k

chaos code looks nice

also this
http://www.the-magicbox.com/1102/game110214c3.shtml

erinsoup

They just keep popping up lately..
Don't forget:
http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/19/the-two-types-of-fighters-in-phantom-breaker/
and
http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/2/21/aquapazza-debut-trailer.html
This actually took an SBO main slot too for 2011 without even being released yet. Up there with ST and SSF4 AE (Although they are actually splitting SBO into two separate events this year)

Chaos code is probably the most anime looking game I've ever seen. That Hisoutensoku CMV was awful too.

Yreval

http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?9000-Skullgirls&p=957545&viewfull=1#post957545

It's okay for me to say this - netcode starts with a G, ends with an O, has a G and a P in the middle. Not "like" it, not "based on" it, really it.

Owwmykneecap

GGPO is the best necode over short distances....but I still don't believemits best over longer laggier connections.

Sairus

An interview with the developers and playtest of Skullgirls is up on Giant Bomb : http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-ex-skullgirls/17-3845/

The game looks better with the HUD and **** in place, but there's still an annoying disconnect between the characters and the backdrops.
I'm still not gone on the art style, but the quality of the sprites is really nice. Cerebella in particular has some sweeeet animations.
Combat also looks fun, nothing too crazy.

EDIT:
Here's an old repository of concept art for the game showing off the characters and extra stuff they've since trimmed from the game.
http://community.livejournal.com/skullgirls/7736.html

I love how they've been slowly developing this game on the net for years, so there's heaps of concept sketches floating around. ****ing love that ****.

D4RK ONION

The comments on that video made my head hurt. So much HERP DERP.

Dunjohn

I see five different games here and every one of them involve a bunch of anime chicks beating each other up in the most improbably ways imaginable. Where's the creativity gone?

K.O.Kiki

Define "anime".

Now go back and play Street Fighter.

SF is "anime".

Dunjohn

I'm aware of what anime is :rolleyes:

Street Fighter isn't just a bunch of generic anime chicks - and I used the term in the most derogatively shallow sense possible, as it's not one I normally use - slapping each other around. The characters in Street Fighter are all very distinct from each other, barring maybe the shoto parade, but they have solid reasons for resembling each other. In all of these new games, it's basically the same cute bouncy bimbos in every shot. The blatant, shameless and over-the-top focus on fan service is what I find hilariously sad.

Maybe the games' mechanics are fine. It's the utter lack of creativity in the characters I'm getting at. Two games at the same time, I could let it slide, but five?

Yreval

While you're at it, don't forget Tekken, King of Fighters, Samurai Shodown, Art of Fighting, Darkstalkers, Virtua Fighter, Toshinden, and so on.

Dreddybajs

Owwmykneecap wrote: »

GGPO is the best necode over short distances....but I still don't believemits best over longer laggier connections.

Longer laggier connections are gonna be laggy no matter what the system so who cares

K.O.Kiki

Dunjohn wrote: »

I'm aware of what anime is :rolleyes:

Street Fighter isn't just a bunch of generic anime chicks - and I used the term in the most derogatively shallow sense possible, as it's not one I normally use - slapping each other around. The characters in Street Fighter are all very distinct from each other, barring maybe the shoto parade, but they have solid reasons for resembling each other. In all of these new games, it's basically the same cute bouncy bimbos in every shot. The blatant, shameless and over-the-top focus on fan service is what I find hilariously sad.

Maybe the games' mechanics are fine. It's the utter lack of creativity in the characters I'm getting at. Two games at the same time, I could let it slide, but five?

All the same, Skull Girls' artstyle is much more Western than "generic anime".

And if you can't see the difference between Touhou's moe-blob style, and Chaos Code's more shounen/Guilty Gear lines... well, more fool you!

Doctor DooM

to be fair Kiki the ameranime style of Skull girls is to me night and day to the other games in this thread but I can also appreciate to someone who didn't read alot of comics or manga they'd look exactly the same. Li,e to an uninitiated person, Joey Mad would definitely look anime.



I actually think the character design is intriguing, they're not all maids or schoolgirls for once.the skull gimmick is cool too.

K.O.Kiki

I WISH manga looked that good...

chueytoo

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I WISH manga looked that good...

It can if you read the less mainstream ones since they have to produce a chapter once a week. usual the slower realase ones have better art and colour :P Kiki thought u knew this.

K.O.Kiki

Well, I do read Claymore & Mahou Sensei Negima...

erinsoup

generic and anime are SRK's favourite two words!

Owwmykneecap wrote: »

GGPO is the best necode over short distances....but I still don't believemits best over longer laggier connections.

It's down to preference really..and in fact GGPO lets you strike a balance between rollback(GGPO code) and input delay(more typical netcode). There is no best when it comes to long distance games..the trade-off is either having a visually jarring game(heavy rollback) or having your inputs later than when you actually press them. The former can cause situations where you'll choose the wrong action based on what you see..the latter leads to dropped combos, more difficulty reacting to high/lows, etc.

Personally I can't stand high input delay and would take my chances with rollback 90% of the time. The biggest issue is that its hard adjusting when your input delay is varying all the time .You need to modify your timing every time it changes. With different levels of rollback, getting used to it is much easier.

Yreval

Two more videos from GDC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3fUAZSuNk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VK7HESsTHo

The ratio system is interesting - first time it's been tried in a tag-team fighter I think.

K.O.Kiki

Dear Capcom:

please observe how 2D art with 3D models SHOULD LOOK.

K.O.Kiki

I have no idea whatsoever in how you think these characters come across as "young"

Western cartoons have a good history of sexually-confident female characters, I'd say.
Even dating back to the earliest days.

Hecatom wrote:

the thing is that none of the chars are lolis

people like to throw the word to much without knowing what it means

loli != female

Dreddybajs

he didn't mention the word loli

stop being a horrible poster kiki

Doctor DooM

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I have no idea whatsoever in how you think these characters come across as "young"

Western cartoons have a good history of sexually-confident female characters, I'd say.
Even dating back to the earliest days.

Lol no they don't, I would say the earliest rumblings of anything even approaching equality for female characters in cartoons/ comic books would be the the 80's but to this day virtually all are highly sexualised and are waaaaaay more likely to get killed off if they're the centre of a storyline then men.

Female characters virtually always appeared as an object of desire, of support, or in some secreatary like capacity for years.

Alias is a great comic as it actually forces you to confront some of your own personal stereotypes about women in pop culture you probably didn't even realise you had.

I would also suggest people interested in gender issues in pop culture perhaps start with the "women in fridges" concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators

Scavenger XIII

**** just got deep.

K.O.Kiki

UberPrinny_Baal

Random feminism in gaming point while we're on the topic, but I'm actually pretty impressed with how much of a female showing MvC3 ended up having: Just over a third of the characters (Assuming Shuma and Sentinel qualify as "guys" and Ammy qualifies as a "girl").

Excluding all-girl titles like Skull Girls, and the "harem fighters"; I think it has one of the better female-to-male ratios of any mainstream fighting game.

Red350

Ammy qualifies as a dog.

Voa

Sent's a robot. So's Zero.

And Shuma is a "spit in the eye of god".

UberPrinny_Baal

Voa wrote: »

Sent's a robot. So's Zero.

Aye, I know plotwise Zero is a robot, but from a design perspective he's clearly a "guy" robot, much in the same way as Roll is clearly a "girl" robot.

The only reason I gave Sentinel the benefit of possible ambiguity is because of his generic robot design and his "Text-as-speech" voice.

K.O.Kiki

Ropedrink, it sounds like this game isn't for you.

Dunjohn

Aw, thanks for that, K.O.Kiki. And I just five minutes ago noticed where Ryu's attention is on the MvC3 main menu. I can't play any of these games ever again!

Placebo

get a girlfriend kiki, jeez

K.O.Kiki

Placebo wrote: »

get a girlfriend kiki, jeez

Hey farz, I didn't draw the OFFICIAL ART for SFIV

Placebo

im just winding u up :pac:

Yreval

http://www.bitmob.com/articles/skullgirls-mike-z-from-tournament-player-to-fighting-game-designer

Good interview with Mike Z.

Sairus

Nice HD look at Skullgirls. Quite looking forward to seeing this game properly in action.
The game screen still feels very empty to me. When they finalise the HUD for the game I reckon it'll start looking much nicer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgtJy7wrAuQ

Yreval

It's been known for over a month now, but here's the official announcement of GGPO in Skullgirls:

http://revergelabs.com/2011/04/let-there-be-no-doubt/

K.O.Kiki

Random video I found.

Also possibly NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzfU2oIB9o

Chris IWS

Most definitely a "random" video. My fetish sense is tingling.

Yreval

Michiru Yamane to compose Skullgirls music

She wrote the music for Castlevania SOTN, by the way.

K.O.Kiki

Koumajou Densetsu II > Castlevania SOTN

Sairus

Some screens of the 50's cartoon character Peacock have surfaced on the Skullgirls Facebook page.

They also put up a nifty little documentary showing the progression from initial concepts to final animation pieces:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VkDXBsIXso

Here's a couple of giant samples from the aforementioned Facebook gallery:

K.O.Kiki

Real cartoon animators making a fighting game.

It's like someone, somewhere heard the wishes of my 12yr old self! :pac:

Sairus

SRK put up a bunch of videos from Gametrailers showing off Peacock in game.
Definitely not the kind of character I'd use, but the effort they put into all her animations and moves is great to see. Little things like her cr.mp, where she uses a magnifying glass heat beam to burn an ant on the ground, but if the animation is interupted the ant continues to run around the screen. Most of her moves are some sort of reference to old cartoons or games too.
Also, when a character is KOd in a tag team game, their body stays on the screen. Never seen that before.

http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/03/skullgirls-peacock-in-motion/

Owwmykneecap

Sairus wrote: »

Also, when a character is KOd in a tag team game, their body stays on the screen.

http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/03/skullgirls-peacock-in-motion/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4gXrTJc1S4

Sairus

Awesome.

Also, the body stays afterwards when you beat one half of a Dramatic Battle team in Alpha 3.

Thomas-G

Really looking forward to this one

Yreval

Looks like 3SOE isn't going to be the only fighter with YouTube functionality:

Bragging Rights : Players can easily share their in-game victories with the rest of the world. Replays and highlights of matches can be uploaded directly to YouTube or Facebook; ideal for tournament recording or simply boasting a successful battle.

http://www.konami.com/games/skullgirls

K.O.Kiki

Didn't realise Konami picked up Skullgirls -- that's great news!