Illumination of Conscience

Keylem

It seems that there are various prophesies indicating the 'imminent' warning and Illumination of conscience, whereby everyone in the world would in an instant see the condition of their souls before God. Usually this only happens at death, but God will allow the living to see the state of their souls, should they come before His Judgement Seat.

Some links!

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/2007/05/eye-of-the-storm/

http://www.catholicprophecy.info/warning.html

Donatello

Keylem wrote: »

It seems that there are various prophesies indicating the 'imminent' warning and Illumination of conscience, whereby everyone in the world would in an instant see the condition of their souls before God. Usually this only happens at death, but God will allow the living to see the state of their souls, should they come before His Judgement Seat.

Some links!

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/2007/05/eye-of-the-storm/

http://www.catholicprophecy.info/warning.html

I've heard of this, plus the three days of darkness to follow. Seems like any time now would be ideal!

Keylem

The Garabandal seers said that it would happen in their lifetimes, and some of them in there early sixties now!

Also the seers at Medgugorje said pretty much the same thing!

Donatello

Keylem wrote: »

The Garabandal seers said that it would happen in their lifetimes, and some of them in there early sixties now!

Also the seers at Medgugorje said pretty much the same thing!

You might like this. It's a prophecy about the times we are now living in by a famous mystic.

I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps.

I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church ... But God had other designs...

[...]

I saw deplorable things: they were gambling, drinking, and talking in church; they were also courting women. All sorts of abominations were perpetrated there. Priests allowed everything and said Mass with much irreverence. I saw that few of them were still godly... All these things caused me much distress....

[..]

More than ever faithful Catholics need to pray for the Holy Father and for those Bishops, priests and religious who remain faithful to the Magisterium. There is in preparation a schism the likes of which few can imagine. Ecclesiastical masonry seeks to build a counterfeit church within the true Church, one which is based on a humanitarian religion which will serve the Antichrist.

It is so sad that prophets are ignored. Pope JPII also spoke about the anti-Church. Here in Ireland, the ACP embodies this anti-Church. They want gay sex, women priests, and all sorts of other things which Holy Church tells us are immoral, or impossible. They want to build their own church using the current infrastructure of the Catholic Church to do it. Clever and demonic.

If you were to raise this with them, they'd say you were nuts, which only goes to prove that they are the unknowing pawns of Satan, who is the mastermind behind all that they do. They like to think they do a good thing, even as they try to tear down the Church of Christ.

La Salette also addressed this current time of apostasy.

Keylem

Thanks for the link, I will peruse it later!

The world is so steeped in sin that it was inevitable that God would intervene for the sake of His Mercy!

Our Lord said to Faustina, that first would come His Mercy, then Judgement!

Keylem

Donatello wrote: »

You might like this. It's a prophecy about the times we are now living in by a famous mystic.

It is so sad that prophets are ignored. Pope JPII also spoke about the anti-Church. Here in Ireland, the ACP embodies this anti-Church. They want gay sex, women priests, and all sorts of other things which Holy Church tells us are immoral, or impossible. They want to build their own church using the current infrastructure of the Catholic Church to do it. Clever and demonic.

If you were to raise this with them, they'd say you were nuts, which only goes to prove that they are the unknowing pawns of Satan, who is the mastermind behind all that they do. They like to think they do a good thing, even as they try to tear down the Church of Christ.

La Salette also addressed this current time of apostasy.

It certainly describes the way things are today. I'm wondering if the ACP and it's likes are the abomination and desolation described in Daniel and the Matthew:

Daniel 9:27
Matthew 24:15

newmug

This stuff scares me. But the only consolation I have is that I love God, and he loves me. In the end, The Lord triumphs over all evil. All this trial-and-tribulation stuff has to come to pass first however, so keep the light of The Lord burning in your hearts.

Keylem

newmug wrote: »

This stuff scares me. But the only consolation I have is that I love God, and he loves me. In the end, The Lord triumphs over all evil. All this trial-and-tribulation stuff has to come to pass first however, so keep the light of The Lord burning in your hearts.

God would do this for love of us - It would be an act of Mercy on his part to give the human race a wake-up call.

Donatello

Keylem wrote: »

It certainly describes the way things are today. I'm wondering if the ACP and it's likes are the abomination and desolation described in Daniel and the Matthew:

Daniel 9:27
Matthew 24:15

Possibly. The way some priests treat the Mass, it is an abomination, and such Masses may well be invalid if the priest does not have the intention, as defined by the Council of Trent, to do what the Church does in the confection of the Sacraments. With Barney and Batman on the altar, it is questionable if they mean to offer a valid Mass. Scary stuff, and reason why good Catholics should not attend Masses said by dissenting priests - not only are you supporting them with your presence, but you may also be partaking of invalid sacraments and sacrilege. It is for this very reason that I stopped confessing to a certain priest. His dissent on various doctrines led me to doubt that he means to do what the Church does in the sacrament of confession. Support holy priests and holy parishes with your presence and your money. Starve dissenters of money and pew-sitters.

It troubles me that in my local area, there are those who see themselves as 'faithful Catholics' but who see no issue with attending sacrilegious Masses. They do not realise the danger they place their own faith in, nor the scandal caused by their presence which supports the renegade priest by granting him an audience. No audience, and he might amend his life. With an audience, he carries on what he is doing, the presence of the people would give him confirmation that what he is doing must be good, at least in the eyes of those present. This is a crisis of formation in our laity who do not and will not understand these things, for I have tried to explain this to them but to no avail.

newmug wrote: »

This stuff scares me. But the only consolation I have is that I love God, and he loves me. In the end, The Lord triumphs over all evil. All this trial-and-tribulation stuff has to come to pass first however, so keep the light of The Lord burning in your hearts.

This is it - as long as one is in a state of grace, and remains faithful, there is no cause for alarm - these things must happen before the end.

Keylem

Also the Catholic Doctrine of Hell isn't preached often enough from the pulpits!

http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/hell.htm

Donatello

Keylem wrote: »

Also the Catholic Doctrine of Hell isn't preached often enough from the pulpits!

http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/hell.htm

I find it very interesting that, not only do most priests not preach about hell, but they don't preach about heaven either. It's as if they do not believe, or that they only have a very superficial understanding of Catholic doctrine. I blame the problem on the appalling formation received, primarily at Maynooth Seminary.

I also find that the priests do not preach about the love of God. Sure, they preach about a fluffy, nebulous 'love' in the worldly sense, but they don't preach the God Who IS charity, Who is love and what all that means.

Ah well. There's always EWTN.

Keylem

EWTN is Awesome!

Keylem

St. Faustina describes a vision of this "warning" as well:

Before I come as the just Judge, I am coming first as the King of Mercy. Before the day of justice arrives, there will be given to people a sign in the heavens of this sort:
All light in the heavens will be extinguished, and there will be great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and the feet of the Savior were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day. —Divine Mercy in My Soul, Diary, n. 83
Suddenly I saw the complete condition of my soul as God sees it. I could clearly see all that is displeasing to God. I did not know that even the smallest transgressions will have to be accounted for. What a moment! Who can describe it? To stand before the Thrice-Holy-God! —St. Faustina; Divine Mercy in My Soul, Diary, n. 36

Donatello

Keylem wrote: »

Suddenly I saw the complete condition of my soul as God sees it. I could clearly see all that is displeasing to God. I did not know that even the smallest transgressions will have to be accounted for. What a moment! Who can describe it? To stand before the Thrice-Holy-God! —St. Faustina; Divine Mercy in My Soul, Diary, n. 36
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I get the odd, fleeting glimpse of my own soul the odd time. Mostly darkness and despair, from what I've seen. This wretched little creature has in Christ its only hope.

Keylem

Donatello wrote: »

I get the odd, fleeting glimpse of my own soul the odd time. Mostly darkness and despair, from what I've seen. This wretched little creature has in Christ its only hope.

I've had a few moments of anguish also, and helplessness, but I've had moments of happiness and joy too!

Sgt Hartman

Donatello wrote: »

I get the odd, fleeting glimpse of my own soul the odd time. Mostly darkness and despair, from what I've seen. This wretched little creature has in Christ its only hope.

I've looked into my own soul recently and I see a complete mess. Constant and persistent lapses into vices and indifference is my main problem. I lose focus and fall into sin way too easily. Since the start of the year I've decided to try and cast aside the things which have been dragging me down. I've had success with certain things but complete failure so far with others. I'm in dire need of a good confession also.

I'm just going to continue praying and hoping that Jesus will help me to have and to keep the willpower and strength necessary to defeat my vices and live a more righteous life.

Keylem

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

I've looked into my own soul recently and I see a complete mess. Constant and persistent lapses into vices and indifference is my main problem. I lose focus and fall into sin way too easily. Since the start of the year I've decided to try and cast aside the things which have been dragging me down. I've had success with certain things but complete failure so far with others. I'm in dire need of a good confession also.

I'm just going to continue praying and hoping that Jesus will help me to have and to keep the willpower and strength necessary to defeat my vices and live a more righteous life.

Overcoming our faults and failings is a journey, which we can overcome one step at a time -it will always be a constant battle until we meet Our Lord at the end of our earthly life. The Saints in Heaven struggled with much the same when on earth

Baggio1

ah yes "the great warning" as some people are calling it,
yehah its coming alright - did you know it has been postponed twice? was to be in the 80's then the 90's that was a surprise to me, apparantly by all the prayers and offerings and sacrifices made by those who know about it, God delayed it,,,but apprantly there will NOT be a 3rd postsponment..... its gonna be one heck of a day!!!! all those who know of it will have to help all those about us who are stunned by it....

what ive read is the signs that its coming are - for the Pope to leave Rome during the coming revolution and the Comet will be clearly seen day and night, there's supposed to be a combination of things, apparantly the comet to collide with the sun/moon or part of it, causing a massive explosion and effect in the sky at which moment everyone will be brought to the judgement seat, it wont last long maybe 10minutes,,but we will be OUTSIDE of time and we'll see all our UNCONFESSED sins shown to us and we will be warned NOT to take the chip or worship the coming anti christ Maitreya

so there ya go... fascinating stuff alright.....

newmug

Baggio1 wrote: »

ah yes "the great warning" as some people are calling it,
yehah its coming alright - did you know it has been postponed twice? was to be in the 80's then the 90's that was a surprise to me, apparantly by all the prayers and offerings and sacrifices made by those who know about it, God delayed it,,,but apprantly there will NOT be a 3rd postsponment..... its gonna be one heck of a day!!!! all those who know of it will have to help all those about us who are stunned by it....

what ive read is the signs that its coming are - for the Pope to leave Rome during the coming revolution and the Comet will be clearly seen day and night, there's supposed to be a combination of things, apparantly the comet to collide with the sun/moon or part of it, causing a massive explosion and effect in the sky at which moment everyone will be brought to the judgement seat, it wont last long maybe 10minutes,,but we will be OUTSIDE of time and we'll see all our UNCONFESSED sins shown to us and we will be warned NOT to take the chip or worship the coming anti christ Maitreya

so there ya go... fascinating stuff alright.....

Where'd you hear all this? And whats supposed to happen next, the 1000 year reign of the bad fella, or is that gone already? I thought the judgement was supposed to be the VERY last thing that happens?

Baggio1

its all there in the seer's acounts,, am useless at links ahha maybe one of the other guys can show some,,,,:)

following the warning if mankind doesnt change for the better we will recieve the chastisement, war ,famine and the arrival of the anti christ along with his false prophet - the false pope, yeah they will have a new world religeon along with the one world govermant and one world finance,,, traditional catholics and others will reject this guy but the vast majority will follow and worship him, the abomination of desolation is a combination of the mass being completely banned and replaced with worship of this guy and his image being errected in a huge statue, churces themselves will have this image in them not Christs image anymore.... anyway he has 3 and a half years max!
,,, then the ball of redemtion (thats the comet returning folks!) will be sent to wipe out a lot of the worlds population - well ALL Maitreya;s followers, none will escape,,,Christ will have returned also to reclame the world... then after that will come the era of peace 1000 years

will any of us survive whats coming ?? ummm i dunno answer to that one! ahha but it does make yu stop sometimes thinking of this stuff and wonder about all these pensions and stuff hahah dont look like many under 50's will see theirs!

newmug

The only pension I'm worried about is the one in the next world!

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and the Holy Ghost, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

Baggio1

fair point in which case i'm screwed!

then again have to admit the concept of pure peace and people walkin round forever singing psalms really cheeses me off heaven!,, i dont wanna end up with ol' hornhead thats a given! ahah - but man heaven does sound realllyyyy boring what about my drums!? and my horse racing! and my wine!! just walkin round singing hyms,,nooooooooo it cant be!!!!!!!!!!

hahhaha sorry folks i cant control the humour sometimes hah

Keylem

Not everyone will be converted after the 'Illumination', some will still go on they're merry way into oblivion - sure didn't they laugh at Noah when he was builing the ark!

RGDATA!

What happens the likes of me who doesn't believe a word of this?
If there is something like an indisputable clear sign where we see the state of our souls in an instant, three days of darkness etc, I would imagine I might come round to it and realise that there is something up there after all - will that be too late for my salvation?
Why wouldn't God have performed a clear demonstration like this 50 years ago say and prevented all the bloodshed in the interim? (I suppose I shouldn't really be questioning him but the thought did occur)

Keylem

RGDATA! wrote: »

What happens the likes of me who doesn't believe a word of this?
If there is something like an indisputable clear sign where we see the state of our souls in an instant, three days of darkness etc, I would imagine I might come round to it and realise that there is something up there after all - will that be too late for my salvation?
Why wouldn't God have performed a clear demonstration like this 50 years ago say and prevented all the bloodshed in the interim? (I suppose I shouldn't really be questioning him but the thought did occur)

Free will!

The whole point of the 'Warning' is to Illumine mankind, and so save souls. If we continue to dismiss the warning, then the chastisment will be inevitable!

I'm currently reading this book! Link

RGDATA!

Keylem wrote: »

Free will!

The whole point of the 'Warning' is to Illumine mankind, and so save souls. If we continue to dismiss the warning, then the chastisment will be inevitable!

I'm currently reading this book! Link

don't understand the argument since after the 'warning' free will will go out the window for the likes of me anyway. I'll be playing the percentages.

newmug

RGDATA! wrote: »

don't understand the argument since after the 'warning' free will will go out the window for the likes of me anyway. I'll be playing the percentages.

What do you mean free will will go out the window? You will still have free will!

RGDATA!

newmug wrote: »

What do you mean free will will go out the window? You will still have free will!

Ok, I accept that but faced with a clear, unambiguous demonstration that there is a God and I do have an immortal soul, then to me there would be no choice but to accept this, start to pray and repent for my sins etc. I'm hardly going to use my free will to choose eternity in damnation am I?

Donatello

Keylem wrote: »

I've had a few moments of anguish also, and helplessness, but I've had moments of happiness and joy too!

There's always the little moments of rainbow/clear sky consolation. As for the rest, it's a big (spiritual) contract!

Keylem

Donatello wrote: »

There's always the little moments of rainbow/clear sky consolation. As for the rest, it's a big (spiritual) contract!

Always a sunny sky after the sacrament of reconciliation!

rockbeer

Do any of you Christians, when looking into your souls and seeing such unmitigated wretchedness, ever reflect on how much better a job god could have made of designing you, had he so desired?

Just wondering.

Keylem

rockbeer wrote: »

Do any of you Christians, when looking into your souls and seeing such unmitigated wretchedness, ever reflect on how much better a job god could have made of designing you, had he so desired?

Just wondering.

God is perfect and He created us in His image and likeness, gave us free will and a set of laws to follow that we may continue to be perfect, and we messed it up!

newmug

RGDATA! wrote: »

Ok, I accept that but faced with a clear, unambiguous demonstration that there is a God and I do have an immortal soul, then to me there would be no choice but to accept this, start to pray and repent for my sins etc. I'm hardly going to use my free will to choose eternity in damnation am I?

Well how many times have clear, unambiguous demonstrations that there is a God and you do have an immortal soul ever happened before? Jesus himself was here, was murdered, and rose from the dead, two more recent examples off the top of my head are Knock and Fatima, witnessed by thousands! WAKE UP!!!

If this happens, maybe you will not see it. There will be people born after it happens who will not see it, there will be there will be people who still explain it away by science (and make no mistake, it WILL be a scientific event, comets crashing into the sun is a big deal, but the fact that this was foretold by a religious vision should wake you up), and there will be people deliberately working for the one with horns saying its nothing to worry about. You still have FREE WILL to purposely choose to apply good in your life for the sake of God. You should be doing that anyway, sign from God or not.

rockbeer

Keylem wrote: »

God is perfect and He created us in His image and likeness, gave us free will and a set of laws to follow that we may continue to be perfect, and we messed it up!

But if we were created 'perfect' we would, by definition, have been unable to 'mess it up'. To mess up is imperfect.

And if we were created in God's image and we messed it up then he too, by definition, is capable of messing it up.

Keylem

rockbeer wrote: »

But if we were created 'perfect' we would, by definition, have been unable to 'mess it up'. To mess up is imperfect.

And if we were created in God's image and we messed it up then he too, by definition, is capable of messing it up.

By your reasoning yes, but God foreknew that we would mess up, but loved us anyway!

rockbeer

Keylem wrote: »

By your reasoning yes, but God foreknew that we would mess up, but loved us anyway!

That's nice... but then we're not really made in his image are we?

Fanny Cradock

Nowhere does it say that we were made perfect.

Keylem

rockbeer wrote: »

That's nice... but then we're not really made in his image are we?

Read on!

http://www.saintpetercatholic.com/QA_image_of_God.htm

Keylem

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Nowhere does it say that we were made perfect.

Adam and Eve were perfect before sin, and Mary the Mother of God is perfect as she was born IMMACULATE!!

In the beginning God made a perfect world, and you would have to assume everything in it was perfect!

Jesus being both God and Man was perfect!

Fanny Cradock

Keylem wrote: »

Adam and Eve were perfect before sin, and Mary the Mother of God is perfect as she was born IMMACULATE!!

In the beginning God made a perfect world, and you would have to assume everything in it was perfect!

Jesus being both God and Man was perfect!

We are just going to have to disagree. Genesis tells us that creation - which included the creation of man - was very good (Hebrew: towb). Hebrew has a number of different words that can be used to convey perfection (e.g. kalal - think Superman's real name) all of which are distinct from the word used in Genesis to describe creation.

As for the immaculate conception, I see no biblical basis for such a belief. But you are welcome to it, nevertheless.

rockbeer

Keylem wrote: »

Read on!

http://www.saintpetercatholic.com/QA_image_of_God.htm

I'm glad that article wasn't any longer. Life's too short

But I did read it all, and it turns out to support my argument.

The second faculty given to us in the Image of God is the will. <snip> Before the Fall, our wills were perfectly free, meaning that we were able to unfailingly choose the best possible good in every situation.

Except that we didn't, did we? So our power to choose good couldn't have been unfailing, could it. Therefore either our flawed will reflects god's flawed will, or our flawed will doesn't reflect god's perfect will.

But I expect you'll have it both ways regardless.

(By the way, how does Mr Arrowood know all this stuff about what god did and what he intended? Is it in the Bible?)

Keylem

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

We are just going to have to disagree. Genesis tells us that creation - which included the creation of man - was very good (Hebrew: towb). Hebrew has a number of different words that can be used to convey perfection (e.g. kalal - think Superman's real name) all of which are distinct from the word used in Genesis to describe creation.

As for the immaculate conception, I see no biblical basis for such a belief. But you are welcome to it, nevertheless.

Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. John 20:30

Over the following centuries much has been revealed through revelation of the Saints and the Mother of Jesus, and are deemed worthy of belief by the C.C. the custodian of fullness of the Truth.

Note that the angels were also created perfect, yet a third of them rejected God in favor of autonomy. It would appear that Free Will is a greater good than sinlessness. The highest goal of Creation is love of God and love of others. This is not possible without Free Will.

Keylem

Matthew 5:48

Douay-Rheims Bible

Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.

RGDATA!

newmug wrote: »

Well how many times have clear, unambiguous demonstrations that there is a God and you do have an immortal soul ever happened before?

none IMO, not in my lifetimes

the original post talked about an event where everyone would see the state of their souls etc.

This is a whole lot more concrete than having to believe stories told down generations of a handful of people who think they saw a vision.

Donatello

RGDATA! wrote: »

none IMO, not in my lifetimes

the original post talked about an event where everyone would see the state of their souls etc.

This is a whole lot more concrete than having to believe stories told down generations of a handful of people who think they saw a vision.

The Apostles didn't merely see a vision - they spent time with Jesus - they poked Him after the resurrection and had meals with Him. This man was no mere vision.

Juza1973

Donatello wrote: »

Scary stuff, and reason why good Catholics should not attend Masses said by dissenting priests - not only are you supporting them with your presence, but you may also be partaking of invalid sacraments and sacrilege. It is for this very reason that I stopped confessing to a certain priest. His dissent on various doctrines led me to doubt that he means to do what the Church does in the sacrament of confession. Support holy priests and holy parishes with your presence and your money. Starve dissenters of money and pew-sitters.

To me a Priest will always be considered faithful to the Church unless proven otherwise. I don't mind if he is nasty or doesn't share my ideas, he's my Priest. Of course if he indulges in sacrilege it would be wrong to support him in that. These cases must always be treated with prudence but not to the point of codardice. I will stop support him if he is acting against the Church, not because I don't like him. He does not have to please ME, he has to do his Mission, it is not a service provider (not to me at least) that I can discharge because I feel like so.

Donatello

Juza1973 wrote: »

To me a Priest will always be considered faithful to the Church unless proven otherwise. I don't mind if he is nasty or doesn't share my ideas, he's my Priest. Of course if he indulges in sacrilege it would be wrong to support him in that. These cases must always be treated with prudence but not to the point of codardice. I will stop support him if he is acting against the Church, not because I don't like him. He does not have to please ME, he has to do his Mission, it is not a service provider (not to me at least) that I can discharge because I feel like so.

If a priest teaches contrary to the Magisterium, he is wrong and he endangers souls by infecting them with his errors.

If a priest offers the Mass in a sacrilegious way, he is wrong and he endangers souls.

Some priests are so bad they actually offer invalid Masses by changing the words, although I would think that would be quite rare in Ireland.

You can read about the different kinds of liturgical abuse here.

I agree totally - this is not about the priest's personality - whether we like him or not - it is about his fidelity - does he teach and do what the Church does, or does he do his own thing like a Protestant?

Pope Benedict gave a series of Wednesday audiences on this topic entitled 'On the Priest's Mission'. It outlines all this in a most excellent way.

gimmebroadband

Follow up to OP topic.

There is a seer in Europe receiving messages from Jesus to warn the world with great urgency about the coming 'illumination of all conscience', seemingly it is just months away. Same was predicted at Garabandal, Spain, and Medjugorje. Many more messages on the website.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/two-comets-will-collide-my-cross-will-appear-in-a-red-sky/

This site has been set up to publish a series of divine messages received by a married woman and mother of a young family living in Europe who wishes to be known as Maria Devine Mercy (The European Visionary and Seer) since the 9th November 2010.


The messages are still ongoing and, reinforce the Catholic teachings of faith and morals. Maria has been given the support of a number of believers including priests and volunteers from various countries, to enable them to be revealed quickly to the world. They are, she says, being revealed to the world for its own good and that of others.
Whether officially approved by the Church or otherwise, through perchance worthy of pious credence, Catholic individuals are not morally obliged to espouse the messages emanating from any source of private revelation (e.g. apparitions, interior locuations and so forth). Unlike public revelation (i.e. Sacred Scripture & Tradition) the Church herself has no providential protection in the realm of private revelations. However movement are now underway to have these messages evaluated thoroughly through the correct channels at this point in time to ensrue that are in conformity with all aspects of Catholic doctrine and public revelation.
The visionary accepts that in the case of those who claim to receive messages of a divine nature that they need to be treated with extreme caution. She therefore accepts fully that the messages must be examined by qualified theologians. As such she has made them readily available to the Catholic Church for full examination.

antiskeptic

Keylem wrote: »

Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. John 20:30

That verse can be used to support any old tosh you care to insert into the silence left by scripture.

Over the following centuries much has been revealed through revelation of the Saints and the Mother of Jesus, and are deemed worthy of belief by the C.C. the custodian of fullness of the Truth.

Donatelo is dead. Long love Donatello

Note that the angels were also created perfect,

Source?

..yet a third of them rejected God in favor of autonomy. It would appear that Free Will is a greater good than sinlessness.

Which would mean their perfection was their being perfectly fit for purpose. Which involved the ability to choose and live with the consequences. Which makes Hell part of perfection.

No argument there to my mind.

The highest goal of Creation is love of God and love of others. This is not possible without Free Will.

We won't have free will 'in heaven' so love must be possible without freewill

But you probably need to utilise freewill to get yourself 'into heaven' in order to become a person who is able to love but who hasn't freewill anymore.

Bob Cratchet

“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,f but only the Father." Matt. 24:36

gimmebroadband

Bob Cratchet wrote: »

“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,f but only the Father." Matt. 24:36

It's got nothing to do with the end of the world, which no one knows! It's a wake up call!!