Would you consider this racist/offensive towards Irish people?

Downlinz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7rsrKQtvYQ



Thoughts? I personally don't care for jokes like that against and sort of felt a bit insulted.

wexfordia

Downlinz wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7rsrKQtvYQ



Thoughts? I personally don't care for jokes like that against and sort of felt a bit insulted.

It doesn't really bother me to be honest

pragmatic1

Meh.

hondasam

NO

bluto63

How utterly offensive! Let's get up in arms over it! Who can we complain to!? :mad:

Jimmy the Wheel

Meh. Just a couple of jokes.

Some people go out of their way to be offended.

Rabble Rabble

Not in the least. Its ironic. Does it have to be explained. Dara is overturning the Irish stereotypes ( says Dee) and while he is over here he is going to tarmac my drive. IRONY!!!

Geez. I blame Alannis

Hurricane-Dean

Cop on

Chaotic_Forces

Jack Dee is a horrible man and cannot tell a joke for the life of him. So no, I pity him. Do I find it offensive, yes. Is he doing it just to get a few laughs from an English audience, yes. So frankly, he's an eejit.

Pauleta

I didnt find it funny but im not offended. I think people who would get offended are insecure.

Tenzing

It's hard to offend us. We love any attention.

Wolf Club

Bloody racist! I can't believe a satirical comedian like Jack Dee would say something like this, it's an outrage!

Downlinz

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Not in the least. Its ironic. Does it have to be explained. Dara is overturning the Irish stereotypes ( says Dee) and while he is over here he is going to tarmac my drive. IRONY!!!

Geez. I blame Alannis

Don't you think its a bit offensive that they'd carry a stereotype like that in this day and age for it to need overturning?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I can't imagine the same kind of "ah sure its only a joke" if he was joking about a black guy doing some kind of slavery for him. :rolleyes:

Mindkiller

No, because its a joke on racism rather than a racist joke. And I lol'd anyway.

ElectraX

Nah, wouldn't be offended by that at all. It's the nature of comedy, I'm sure if a Scottish or Welsh comedian had just walked off the stage, he'd have some stereotypical jokes about them lined up too.

ScumLord

bluto63 wrote: »

How utterly offensive! Let's get up in arms over it! Who can we complain to!? :mad:

I don't know, I usually blamed all these things on Finna Fail, what are we to do now?

DonJose

Pikey lol

Downlinz

ElectraX wrote: »

Nah, wouldn't be offended by that at all. It's the nature of comedy, I'm sure if a Scottish or Welsh comedian had just walked off the stage, he'd have some stereotypical jokes about them lined up too.

In my book theres things thats ok to poke fun at like the Irish being alcoholics or the welsh shagging sheep or something like that. But alluding to colonialism and suggesting the Irish are inferior or thieves or stuff like this particularly in the atmosphere of making it against a lone Irish person towards an English audience just seems in bad taste.

Tenzing

Just watched it there, seems to be joking about travellers rather than the Irish.

Irish jokes are fair game now as the Irish are not discriminated against like in the past.

Jesus Wept

Not a single original joke though, which is more alarming.

Galway K9

We make racist jokes all the time, has to go both ways, cant just give and not take a slaggin.

hatrickpatrick

Who. Gives. A sh!te.

Seriously, it's stuff like this, and stuff like say the Andy Gray incident, which actually makes the 'offended' group look bad. LEARN TO TAKE A JOKE, PEOPLE!

questionmark?

*Post reserved for suitable Joe Duffy reference/snid remark or bleeding hell Joe comment*

Chaotic_Forces

Galway K9 wrote: »

We make racist jokes all the time, has to go both ways, cant just give and not take a slaggin.

Except that racism is generally wrong. Picking up on a sterotype is one thing (like slagging the Irish when the audience is Irish) but come on, all he did was the same as going to a KKK meeting and getting a bunch of cheap laughs by making racist jokes towards blacks.

Sonics2k

People need to stop being so sensitive.

AnonoBoy

You see a joke works like this:

You say a thing and then you say another thing that goes against the first thing you said and the incongruity of it makes people laugh.

In this instance Jack Dee says that Dara goes against the stereotypical Oirish Paddy image and then says that he is going to do something that is a stereotypical Oirish Paddy thing.

Sonics2k

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Except that racism is generally wrong. Picking up on a sterotype is one thing (like slagging the Irish when the audience is Irish) but come on, all he did was the same as going to a KKK meeting and getting a bunch of cheap laughs by making racist jokes towards blacks.

Considering an Irishman had just walked off stage, Jack Dee has a huge Irish fanbase stretching back over 20 years, and it's very likely there was Irish people in the audience, then it's safe to say Jack Dee was not being directly racist.

We make jokes about Britain all the time, as a Corkman I make jokes about Kerry and Dublin frequently.

We make constant jokes about the Welsh, U.S., Canadians and so on. Is that racism, or just friendly banter.

rossie1977

racist?? since when did the irish become a different race than the british

GLaDOS

I laughed. Stereotypes are funny.

Galway K9

questionmark? wrote: »

*Post reserved for suitable Joe Duffy reference/snid remark or bleeding hell Joe comment*

You mean John Duffy hee hee

Chaotic_Forces

Sonics2k wrote: »

Considering an Irishman had just walked off stage, Jack Dee has a huge Irish fanbase stretching back over 20 years, and it's very likely there was Irish people in the audience, then it's safe to say Jack Dee was not being directly racist.

We make jokes about Britain all the time, as a Corkman I make jokes about Kerry and Dublin frequently.

We make constant jokes about the Welsh, U.S., Canadians and so on. Is that racism, or just friendly banter.

Friendly banter is fine but I'm quite sure if a black guy had done his routine and suddenly Jack Dee comes along and starts spouting out racist material your tone would change. If he wants to rip on Dara, fine, go ahead. If he wants to rip on the Irish in the terms of "Paddy Irishman being the punchline", go ahead. But blatnatly having a go at the Irish is a bit too much.

conti

Don't let yourself be offended by things like this or you'll eventually turn into one of those people who sits at home with Joe Duffy's number on speed-dial just waiting to be offended.

I'll bet Dara O'Brian found it funny, and so would anyone else with a sense of humour.

Dave!

Downlinz wrote: »

Don't you think its a bit offensive that they'd carry a stereotype like that in this day and age for it to need overturning?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I can't imagine the same kind of "ah sure its only a joke" if he was joking about a black guy doing some kind of slavery for him. :rolleyes:

Comedians would probably suffer the wrath of the tabloids if they made that joke in the UK, but check out Bill Maher's show Real Time on HBO in the US. Almost every week he makes several black jokes, whether they're about his guests, Obama, some minister, whoever. Pretty sure he's throw out the old "fried chicken and watermelon" gags a few times. Plenty of gay jokes too.

As long as they're taken in the spirit intended, and in the right context, then anything can be a joke and people can fvck off if they're offended.

I didn't find the Jack Dee jokes at all offensive, no.

mike65

What Key opens every lock? A Pi-key!

geddit?

So Jack Dee is not only anti-Irish he is Pikeyist. Why if I could only summon up enough energy to give a damn.....

Chaotic_Forces

Dave! wrote: »

Comedians would probably suffer the wrath of the tabloids if they made that joke in the UK, but check out Bill Maher's show Real Time on HBO in the US. Almost every week he makes several black jokes, whether they're about his guests, Obama, some minister, whoever. Pretty sure he's throw out the old "fried chicken and watermelon" gags a few times. Plenty of gay jokes too.

As long as they're taken in the spirit intended, and in the right context, then anything can be a joke and people can fvck off if they're offended.

I didn't find the Jack Dee jokes at all offensive, no.

Difference is that it's made with the person there. I'm sure if they get offended they'll say so.

UglyBolloxFace

It doesn't offend me at all.

But what does offend me are people who find this racist...it is not ****ing racist, it's comedy.


(or should that be 'comedy' - it is Jack Dee afterall)

orourkeda

Those who got offended should probably be grateful that it wasnt Frankie Boyle

Dave!

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Difference is that it's made with the person there. I'm sure if they get offended they'll say so.

No it's not always said with the person there. He makes general black, gay, etc., jokes in his monologue all the time. Even if they were offended (though he generally only invites on people with a bit of a sense of humour), I don't they'd kick up a fuss.

The way I see it, jokes of this nature only become sinister if they're accompanied by genuine malintent or if the comedian actually believes the sentiment they're expressing.

I make all sorts of offensive jokes in a certain context, but if I'm being serious then I obviously don't believe the stuff I'm saying.

Chaotic_Forces

Dave! wrote: »

No it's not always said with the person there. He makes general black, gay, etc., jokes in his monologue all the time. Even if they were offended (though he generally only invites on people with a bit of a sense of humour), I don't they'd kick up a fuss.

The way I see it, jokes of this nature only become sinister if they're accompanied by genuine malintent or if the comedian actually believes the sentiment they're expressing.

I make all sorts of offensive jokes in a certain context, but if I'm being serious then I obviously don't believe the stuff I'm saying.

Yeah but try to see it this way: You're an American, doing a live comedy show that will be either shown on TV or released on DVD. Now, you're a white guy and are quite well aware that they're are very different minorites in your country. A black comedian is on, you come out after and say something about him not really working here, he;s just here to rob the place. That's a bit sketchy and very risky. But when you know for a fact that people that could get offended by it will see/hear it, then you're just trying to be offensive.

Dave!

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Yeah but try to see it this way: You're an American, doing a live comedy show that will be either shown on TV or released on DVD. Now, you're a white guy and are quite well aware that they're are very different minorites in your country. A black comedian is on, you come out after and say something about him not really working here, he;s just here to rob the place. That's a bit sketchy and very risky. But when you know for a fact that people that could get offended by it will see/hear it, then you're just trying to be offensive.

Depends how it's phrased really, but that could be a funny joke IMO, as long as it's tongue in cheek.

A recent example that is probably over the line is on Top Gear recently when Richard Hammond made a gag about a Mexican-made car exhibiting the characteristics of its country of manufacture... lazy, smelly, sweaty, etc. In and of itself it's a bit risky, but he went on and made another 2 or 3 jokes of the same nature, and it appeared to me that he did harbour some opinions about Mexicans. Or maybe I just misread it.

Regardless, there's a way to do it, and context matters. Offense for the sake of offense is pointless and not funny.

TeddyTedson

No way it's funny stuff. It's all done in good spirit and more like a bit of banter. As an Irish person I love hearing jokes about us, might be a bit of an ego thing or something.

Chaotic_Forces

Dave! wrote: »

Depends how it's phrased really, but that could be a funny joke IMO, as long as it's tongue in cheek.

A recent example that is probably over the line is on Top Gear recently when Richard Hammond made a gag about a Mexican-made car exhibiting the characteristics of its country of manufacture... lazy, smelly, sweaty, etc. In and of itself it's a bit risky, but he went on and made another 2 or 3 jokes of the same nature, and it appeared to me that he did harbour some opinions about Mexicans. Or maybe I just misread it.

Regardless, there's a way to do it, and context matters. Offense for the sake of offense is pointless and not funny.

And in this case he was just being offensive because he knew (having a mostly English audience) that he would get a cheap laugh. It wasn't even funny; maybe I find Jack Dee to be a completely horrible comedian but he should have a bit more decency about him. But it's just blantly offensive. He could have just ripped on Dara but no, he had to go further to hammer in the offensiveness.

The Brigadier

ElectraX wrote: »

Nah, wouldn't be offended by that at all. It's the nature of comedy, I'm sure if a Scottish or Welsh comedian had just walked off the stage, he'd have some stereotypical jokes about them lined up too.

Welsh are sheep shaggers and the scots are mean.

In other news french like cheese and surrendering and americans are fat and stupid.

ScumLord

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Yeah but try to see it this way: You're an American, doing a live comedy show that will be either shown on TV or released on DVD. Now, you're a white guy and are quite well aware that they're are very different minorites in your country. A black comedian is on, you come out after and say something about him not really working here, he;s just here to rob the place. That's a bit sketchy and very risky. But when you know for a fact that people that could get offended by it will see/hear it, then you're just trying to be offensive.

There seems to be a lot more race related jokes these days, I think it's a lash back at political correctness. Daniel Tosh is a US comedian that's always making racist jokes he kind of has a character as an uptight racist upper class white guy and gets away with saying every racist stereotype going.

Chaotic_Forces

ScumLord wrote: »

There seems to be a lot more race related jokes these days, I think it's a lash back at political correctness. Daniel Tosh is a US comedian that's always making racist jokes he kind of has a character as an uptight racist upper class white guy and gets away with saying every racist stereotype going.

There's a big difference (IMO) between a black comedian saying something like "I saw Dara try to dance, he's got horrible ryhtm even for a white guy" would make me laugh. But if the same guy made fun of white people as a race then it would be offensive.

ScumLord

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

There's a big difference (IMO) between a black comedian saying something like "I saw Dara try to dance, he's got horrible ryhtm even for a white guy" would make me laugh. But if the same guy made fun of white people as a race then it would be offensive.

Black comedians do that all the time. People and cultures are different, that's a fact. It's not racist to poke fun at those differences.

Chaotic_Forces

ScumLord wrote: »

Black comedians do that all the time. People and cultures are different, that's a fact. It's not racist to poke fun at those differences.

Actually, yes it is racist. But that's neither here nor there. The point is I feel that he made those jokes about the Irish people as a people, using Dara as a jump off point which is just horrible.

fonecrusher1

No i don't find it offensive. Also jack dee is a sh!t comedian. His grumpy asshole act is tired.

ScumLord

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Actually, yes it is racist.

So if a German friend makes a joke about Irish drinking habits I can't laugh I'm supposed to be offended?

Chaotic_Forces

ScumLord wrote: »

So if a German friend makes a joke about Irish drinking habits I can't laugh I'm supposed to be offended?

Uh... if your German friend is of another race and making a racist joke against you (assuming you're another race) then no you shoul;dn't laugh.

Duggy747

Richard Pryor took the absolute piss out of white people; How we talk, walk, act, etc. I wasn't offended as he was damn well funny doing it and meant no malice in them.