Ganley on Vincient Browne

darkman2

Anyone see this tonight? Declan Ganley on TV3 tore lumps out of some FGer and there was a big row. Most entertaining Irish television in quite a while. The Blueshirt accused Ganley of being a "religious fanatic". Ganley gave him an evil "im gonna kill you" look. Thought they were gonna have a fist fight. Very entertaining.


*awaits youtube clip*

ascanbe

darkman2 wrote: »

Anyone see this tonight? Declan Ganley on TV3 tore lumps out of some FGer and there was a big row. Most entertaining Irish television in quite a while. The Blueshirt accused Ganley of being a "religious fanatic". Ganley gave him an evil "im gonna kill you" look. Thought they were gonna have a fist fight. Very entertaining.


*awaits youtube clip*

I saw it.
But, judging from other threads i've seen you start on here, i'd guess that your enthusiasm for it is simply as a result of him attacking FG.
He was attacking them because they are simply going to continue along the same route set down by FF/our government for the time being.
I agreed with him, from that point of view.

Stu

Top Man Ganley, says it as it is. Even Vincent Browne was wary of getting into a row with him. He got Bill Tormey all hot and bothered, what a clown Tormey is. It saddens me that he is still a politician, he couldn't make a cup of tea without ****ing it up.

starbelgrade

darkman2 wrote: »

The Blueshirt accused Ganley of being a "religious fanatic".

I thought he was. Could be wrong though.

KungPao

Any chance of a cold spell?

Dunjohn

Not a fan of Ganley, I didn't see the interview but I can understand the comment. He has a bit of tunnel vision. What's he doing on a politics show anyway? I though he'd retired from politics? Again? How many times is this?

ascanbe

starbelgrade wrote: »

I thought he was. Could be wrong though.

You may well be. I've never heard anything that suggests that he is. If you can provide any kind of proof that backs your claim up, i'd genuinely love to see it.

starbelgrade

ascanbe wrote: »

You may well be. I've never heard anything that suggests that he is. If you can provide any kind of proof that backs your claim up, i'd genuinely love to see it.

I heard him on the radio the other day banging on about "pro-life", & how he wouldn't vote for any party that would allow abortion in any circumstance, so I assumed he was religious.

Might be an unfounded assumption, but hey, what's a boy gonna think when they hear that kinda nonsense?

chalkitdown

People that didn't vote for change should be ashamed of themselves.
Swapping votes between FF and FG has done nothing for their lot. The scaremongering that has gone on around this election has eclipsed the epic bull**** surrounding the Lisbon treaty.

K-9

Did Ganley not stand for election?

Cybertron85

starbelgrade wrote: »

I heard him on the radio the other day banging on about "pro-life", & how he wouldn't vote for any party that would allow abortion in any circumstance, so I assumed he was religious.

Might be an unfounded assumption, but hey, what's a boy gonna think when they hear that kinda nonsense?

Really?! I always thought he was an atheist for some reason.

Have to completely ignore everything he says from now on so, ah well.

ascanbe

starbelgrade wrote: »

I heard him on the radio the other day banging on about "pro-life", & how he wouldn't vote for any party that would allow abortion in any circumstance, so I assumed he was religious.

Might be an unfounded assumption, but hey, what's a boy gonna think when they hear that kinda nonsense?

Well, being 'pro-life', if he is, wouldn't equate with religious fanaticism to me; it's possible to hold that view while being entirely irreligious and he's entirely within his rights to hold that view, if he does.
I'm no supporter of Ganley but have yet to see anyone actually support the constant attacks on him with actual proof that he's as sinister as they make out.

ascanbe

Dunjohn wrote: »

Not a fan of Ganley, I didn't see the interview but I can understand the comment. He has a bit of tunnel vision. What's he doing on a politics show anyway? I though he'd retired from politics? Again? How many times is this?

I'd guess he was on there as a commentator because he has previously involved himself in political issues and has run for election in this country.

starbelgrade

ascanbe wrote: »

Well, being 'pro-life', if he is, wouldn't equate with religious fanaticism to me; it's possible to hold that view while being entirely irreligious and he's entirely within his rights to hold that view, if he does.

True. As I said, I just made the assumption, but as I said, I could have been wrong.

I often am.

ascanbe

starbelgrade wrote: »

True. As I said, I just made the assumption, but as I said, I could have been wrong.

I often am.

And you might be right; even if by happenstance.
I genuinely wasn't disagreeing, per se, with what you stated; i'd geniunely just love to see evidence, for my own edification and to educate myself, from those making attacks on him.

starbelgrade

ascanbe wrote: »

And you might be right; even if by happenstance.
I genuinely wasn't disagreeing, per se, with what you stated; i'd geniunely just love to see evidence, for my own edification and to educate myself, from those making attacks on him.

I would have to agree with you - he gets very little media attention & the internet information on him & Veritas is a little vague.

From what I have heard from him though, some I like a lot, some is a bit meh, and the lack of info annoys me somewhat.

James T Kirk

Tormey came across like a hopping nutter on that show.

Libertas: 1

FG: 0

Seaneh

starbelgrade wrote: »

I would have to agree with you - he gets very little media attention & the internet information on him & Veritas is a little vague.

From what I have heard from him though, some I like a lot, some is a bit meh, and the lack of info annoys me somewhat.

veritas is a christian discussion and theological teaching platform.


Ganely is/was involved with Libertas.

darkman2

KungPao wrote: »

Any chance of a cold spell?

Maybe.

Esel

James T Kirk wrote: »

Tormey came across like a hopping nutter on that show.

Good old Wild Bill! The women folk had a job keeping out of range of his flailing arms when he got going. Sheriff Browne wasn't really up to keeping Bill in the corral.

James T Kirk

Esel wrote: »

Good old Wild Bill! The women folk had a job keeping out of range of his flailing arms when he got going.

Not to mention spittle. A fleck of which landed on his left shoulder. :pac:

wyndham

James T Kirk wrote: »

Tormey came across like a hopping nutter on that show.

Libertas: 1

FG: 0

I agree with this. Ganley was remarkably restrained when faced with the tirade of nonsense coming from Tormey. Ignorant and arrogant. When he started singing Waltzing Matilda when Ganley was trying to answer a question, he made himself look like a petulant 5 year old. Lucinda Creighton, his party colleague, was embarassed by him and was visibly cringeing, as was I.

wyndham

Seaneh wrote: »

veritas is a christian discussion and theological teaching platform.


Ganely is/was involved with Libertas.

I thought Veritas is the publishing arm of The Catholic Church in Ireland?

Trophywife

How could anyone presume there is religious issues involved just because someone is "pro-life". Its more of a moral issue than a religious one. I'm an agnostic myself, choosing not to marry in the catholic church and when I have children they won't be christened, have communion etc. and I'm pro-life! What an unfounded assumption to make!!

Bosco boy

Lucky for Fine Gael Vincent browne put Tormey on when the voting was over. I was sitting there last night cringing at what I had just done in the ballot box. I hope he isnt a sign of things to come from the new government. I felt sorry for "lucy Lou" creighton, she was mortified. No fan of Ganley but he won hands down!

3ndahalfof6

I was watching this online and half way through I lost the live feed as did all boards members who were watching it online,

I tried to watch the rest of it about 10 mins ago but I see TV3 still have not got it up,

so did something happen I am not aware of, I did think at one stage MMA were going to burst through the door to sign both of them up.

3ndahalfof6

Bosco boy wrote: »

Lucky for Fine Gael Vincent browne put Tormey on when the voting was over. I was sitting there last night cringing at what I had just done in the ballot box. I hope he isnt a sign of things to come from the new government. I felt sorry for "lucy Lou" creighton, she was mortified. No fan of Ganley but he won hands down!

The unfortunate thing Bosco is that we saw the way all FG will be reacting inside and some on the outside,

power is the only thing they were looking for, it is the reason parties will drop there policies to form a coalition,

nothing will change till they get economists to do the job on the economy,

let the politicians work on the local issues, let business people who are successful and run large companies run the country.

Sticky_Fingers

Poor old Bill Tomney thought it was going to be a bit of a light hearted Friday fun as they usually are, he started off joking and being all jovial. You should have seen his face when Ganley decided to weigh in and burst his ego bubble with some very pertinent points. Also the fuss they all made about Ganley spoiling his ballot really showed the others up for what they are, he stated very clearly why he did what he did and they were shocked that he didn't give anyone a preference. IMO the other panelists showed an awful sense of entitlement thinking they could put any old fart in front of the people and they should vote for them out of civic duty.

I don't like Ganley, he reminds me a lot of McDowell but I agree with him on how the bondholder situation should have been handled and that FG have basically given away the best card we had in the ECB renegotiations by saying bondholders are going to be protected no matter what.

Seaneh

wyndham wrote: »

I thought Veritas is the publishing arm of The Catholic Church in Ireland?

Im not Catholic so I dont know. But there is a website of that name which is as I described.

Xivilai

Bill Tormey was so annoying. He kept throwing his arms around the place and shouting indignantly. If i'm not mistaken he also couldn't remember the name of his running partner

th3 s1aught3r

The FG guy was a complete dick and looked a bit drunk also tbh

socheallaigh

Notwithstanding the fact that Declan Ganley was in the studio (and they very obviously loathe the man) I've rarely witnessed such a pair of numbskulls as Bill Tormey of Fine Gael and his sidekick whoever she is.
Tormey lost the run of himself completely, a total clown spitting venom. Your woman wasn't far behind. A pair of muppets.

One of the better Vincent Browne shows. For once he could sit back and let the guests wind each other up. Ganley, whether or not you agree with him was much more impressive.

socheallaigh

Re earlier post. When I mentioned Tormey's "sidekick" I wasn't referring to his party colleague Lucinda Creighton who looked uncomfortable anytime Tormey opened his mouth but the twit sitting to his left...

Gummy Panda

Any clips of it up yet?

Alter-Ego

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Any clips of it up yet?

Nope. Its should be up on the TV3 website soon enough.

Badgermonkey

Tormey appeared petty, whingey and out of control.

Ganley's an interesting character with some charisma and his point concerning the bailout was well made.

If he wishes to run for office again, then he needs to free himself from alleged shadowy associations which are unproven but have stuck.

Morlar

I caught the end of this, Ganley tore strips out of that numpty, only pausing to give the idiot more rope to hang himself with. I was embarrassed for Lucinda Creighton due to the behaviour of her party colleague. That other elderly woman panelist (whose name I don't recall) was an embarrassment also.

Ganley and Creighton were the only ones to come out of that with any sense of credibility intact.

Sticky_Fingers

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Tormey appeared petty, whingey and out of control.

Ganley's an interesting character with some charisma and his point concerning the bailout was well made.

If he wishes to run for office again, then he needs to free himself from alleged shadowy associations which are unproven but have stuck.

RTE have a lot to answer for in this regard, their Prime Time piece they did on him during Lisbon 2 was a pretty lame attempt to paint him as some kind of sock puppet for other interests. Unfortunately the public seemed to have bought it being swayed by the ominous music they played over the frankly underwhelming "dirt" they dug up on him.

Tar.Aldarion

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

RTE have a lot to answer for in this regard, their Prime Time piece they did on him during Lisbon 2 was a pretty lame attempt to paint him as some kind of sock puppet for other interests. Unfortunately the public seemed to have bought it being swayed by the ominous music they played over the frankly underwhelming "dirt" they dug up on him.

Would his blatant lies for months not be enough dirt on him?
here wait til I dig out his pamphlets for a good laugh.

Morlar

I think the biggest lie of the lisbon campaign was the scaremongering 'Vote yes for Jobs'. I think a reasonable approach is to be extremely wary of the EU/ECB etc.

3ndahalfof6

I see TV3 still have not put it up, does anyone know why?

Sticky_Fingers

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Would his blatant lies for months not be enough dirt on him?
here wait til I dig out his pamphlets for a good laugh.

How about the blatant lies and fear mongering spun by all the other political parties who were backing the Yes campaign? The people voted Yes to Lisbon because they were promised ruination and isolation from Europe if they didn't, kinda like the exact situation we find ourselves in now as it happens.

Berti Vogts

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I see TV3 still have not put it up, does anyone know why?

Maybe it's a Monday to Friday-er whose job it is to upload the show?

M cebee

http://www.billtormey.ie/2011/02/26/thoughts-on-the-election-and-tonight-with-vincent-browne/

apparently they're obsessed on politics.ie

K-9

Morlar wrote: »

I think the biggest lie of the lisbon campaign was the scaremongering 'Vote yes for Jobs'. I think a reasonable approach is to be extremely wary of the EU/ECB etc.

Yep, no jobs announced at all since Lisbon 2!

The biggest increase in unemployment was after Lisbon 1 so the No vote cost far more jobs.

martyboy48

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Any clips of it up yet?

http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

Geez, that tormey is a headcase:eek:

Ronin247

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Would his blatant lies for months not be enough dirt on him?
here wait til I dig out his pamphlets for a good laugh.

Bit like the Fianna Fail ones

" A yes vote is the best vote for workers rights and jobs"
They cut the minimum wage and unemployment keeps breaking new records


"Yes for the Economy"
They brought in the IMF

"Yes for Irelands Future"
We have massive emigration


But the No side were Liars???

Tar.Aldarion

Who ever said the other side were saints? Look up straw man. They had a nonsensical campaign too. Apart from their wishy-washy 'yes for good things!!!!' they still werent nearly as bad as the malicious lies he told.

Gummy Panda

martyboy48 wrote: »

http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

Geez, that tormey is a headcase:eek:

He seems drunk or something

Ronin247

Anyone who is not from the political establishment in this country gets the full treatment from the state sponsored television and the "independent" media companies.

Look at all the completely unproven allegations against Gerry Adams and the likes.Ganley fought a good campaign and won.The government then decided to run another vote on the exact same question and brought out as much smear and fear as they could.
I have doubts about the constitutionality of the second vote but a lot of people got the message....we will keep doing this till we get the result we want.

We now see how good Europe is for us and a lot of the stuff Ganley "lied" about is starting to come true with a challenge to our abortion laws which started 2 months after Lisbon 2.......

Oh and what particular Malicious lies did he tell??

ctrl-alt-delete

That Bill fella is an absolute idiot,

What sort of way is that to behave? Ganley pulled him up on it straight away, he is a joker, making light of the situation, everything had to be a joke to him - in my opinion because he has little or no knowledge to have a decent conversation.

Bill:"Can I address this Vincent"

The guy couldn't address an envelope.

The embarrassment was written all over Lucinda's face throughout the whole thing to be associated with that guy, even Vincent looked embarrassed.


The programme would have been great with Just Vincent, Lucinda and Declan.