The start of World War 3?

MonTheBiffy

With all the unrest and revolutions over the last few weeks in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya does anybody else think that while it may be the beginning of something big? With all the crazy ass leaders in that area of the world and big ol' weapons of mass destruction(?) s**t could all kick off.

AnonoBoy

Nah, probably not.


Anyone for pints later?

Sykk

No, world war three is when serious countries with a lot of power start arguing. Not revolutions across small African countries that would be squished under the little toe of the likes of China, America, Britain, France etc.

Pauleta

It depends on who takes over these Countries. If its Islamic extremists then we are in trouble. No matter what happens, 2011 is a year that will shape the world for a long time.

brummytom

Sykk wrote: »

No, world war three is when serious countries with a lot of power start arguing. Not revolutions across small African countries that would be squished under the little toe of the likes of China, America, Britain, France etc.

I doubt even that'll happen. Britain doesn't seem to like getting into wars with countries that could actually fight back.

msg11

Thinking the same thing yesterday, alot of war going on at the moment.

FatherLen

nuclear. its pronounced nuclear.:D
ha no more war!
free the whales!

Frank Black

It's actually the beginning of the apocalypse - although admittedly it's easy to confuse with WW3.
The signs have been there for months now. Flooding and tropical storms in Oz, Earthquakes in NZ and a few inches of snow in Ireland.
We're doomed I tell ye - doomed!!!:eek:

MonTheBiffy

Sykk wrote: »

No, world war three is when serious countries with a lot of power start arguing. Not revolutions across small African countries that would be squished under the little toe of the likes of China, America, Britain, France etc.

In fairness WWI started from 1 man being shot, and it was only later that the "serious" countries joined in. And Egypt is far from small its got like 70 million people. America and Britain are already involved down there, who's to say something wont spark in Iran or somewhere similar?

freefone

Why bother, we all gonna die on 2012 anyway unless lucky enough to find those boats. Wait a minute - may be Lybian people already found them but noone is letting them on!

freefone

black francis wrote: »

It's actually the beginning of the apocalypse - although admittedly it's easy to confuse with WW3.
The signs have been there for months now. Flooding and tropical storms in Oz, Earthquakes in NZ and a few inches of snow in Ireland.
We're doomed I tell ye - doomed!!!:eek:

Thats it! Government just using poor people to distract attention from things happening around us.

sunflower27

Yeah, 2012.... thank God tho. My mortgage protection runs out then

Homer

MonTheBiffy wrote: »

With all the unrest and revolutions over the last few weeks in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya does anybody else think that while it may be the beginning of something big? With all the crazy ass leaders in that area of the world and big ol' weapons of mass destruction(?) s**t could all kick off.

Going to war over religion is basically killing one another to see who's got the better imaginary friend...

sunflower27

Homer wrote: »

Going to war over religion is basically killing one another to see who's got the better imaginary friend...

I've heard that before

Not original material alert!!!!

freefone

MonTheBiffy wrote: »

America and Britain are already involved down there, who's to say something wont spark in Iran or somewhere similar?

WW2 actually never stopped in some countries, there always been war somewhere, thats how we are made.
I honestly dont believe anyone will use nuclear, cause even those who will use it, will get poison themselves sooner than later, and they wouldnt like that

FatherLen

sunflower27 wrote: »

I've heard that before

Not original material alert!!!!

unoriginal?

Royal Irish

I'd say no right now, but something could happen if this revolution carry on spreads to Iran and Saudi. We could end up with $250-300 barrel oil, and food prices will sky rocket.

Libya is the 17th largest oil producer in the world, and pumps 1.5 million barrels a day, with most of that bought by the EU.

MonTheBiffy

Royal Irish wrote: »

I'd say no right now, but something could happen if this revolution carry on spreads to Iran and Saudi. We could end up with $250-300 barrel oil, and food prices will sky rocket.

Libya is the 17th largest oil producer in the world, and pumps 1.5 million barrels a day, with most of that bought by the EU.

Thats exactly what I mean, s**t start spreading yo and we be in deep trouble

Sticky_Fingers

Royal Irish wrote: »

I'd say no right now, but something could happen if this revolution carry on spreads to Iran and Saudi. We could end up with $250-300 barrel oil, and food prices will sky rocket.

Libya is the 17th largest oil producer in the world, and pumps 1.5 million barrels a day, with most of that bought by the EU.

I don't think there is much chance of revolution in Saudi, any calls for protests there have largely been ignored by the public. I'd say a more pressing concern would be how Israel reacts, if they do something stupid then the whole region could go up dragging everyone into a war that no one wants.

jackiebaron

Sykk wrote: »

No, world war three is when serious countries with a lot of power start arguing. Not revolutions across small African countries that would be squished under the little toe of the likes of China, America, Britain, France etc.

Hmm! WW1 kicked off because some anarchist whacked a Duke in Sarajevo.

MonTheBiffy

It only really takes one of the "bigger" countries to do something stupid to kick it off......*cough* AMERICA *cough*

ReacherCreature

jackiebaron wrote: »

Hmm! WW1 kicked off because some anarchist whacked a Duke in Sarajevo.

Not entirely true, nationalist politics, rivalries, a myriad of alliances that bred mistrust and massive arms buildups meant a conflict of some sort was in my opinion inevitable. Princip's shots only sparked the war.

RichieC

MonTheBiffy wrote: »

With all the unrest and revolutions over the last few weeks in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya does anybody else think that while it may be the beginning of something big? With all the crazy ass leaders in that area of the world and big ol' weapons of mass destruction(?) s**t could all kick off.

The American right are getting bored **** over youtube reruns of brown people getting blown up from the Iraq war. |There will be war soon enough.

MonTheBiffy

RichieC wrote: »

The American right are getting bored **** over youtube reruns of brown people getting blown up from the Iraq war. |There will be war soon enough.

Do many Americans do this?

tallaghtmick

the only war we should care about is with these feckers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ireland_(island) they have been slagging us off for a while now and frankly its game over lads its time to get the shilalies and attack now:mad:

ignore that i just id troll a troll thread:D

MonTheBiffy

tallaghtmick wrote: »

the only war we should care about is with these feckers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ireland_(island) they have been slagging us off for a while now and frankly its game over lads its time to get the shilalies and attack now:mad:

ignore that i just id troll a troll thread:D

not trolling just looking for opinions on a fairly relative subject imo

KeithAFC

No.

St.Spodo

Everyone envisions WW3 as a nuclear war, which it will be. The great powers wouldn't even dream of going to war over a bit of scuffling in Africa. There is no immediate security threat to any of the nuclear countries.

double GG

Perhaps the U.S Government will organize and execute a devious plan. Fly a few airplanes into some important pyramidal shaped buildings in Egypt and blame it on Afghanistan/Iraq. Should get something started.


EDIT: Sorry, Already been done to the twin towers.

Bykobap

It is only the dead who have seen the end of war.

No real chance of a WWIII, but a world of wars (something that's been going on since the beginning of time) is going up a couple of gears. A flurry of overthrows is in progress right now, the main question has to be, just how far "west" will they go.

The wheels are (really) starting to fall off the "infinite" growth economic model, there was a time when the economic cycle involved everything going up, one thing at a time, while the value of money fell at a slightly lower rate. This was so the parasitic sectors (banks etc) of the economy could prosper without killing the host.
Now the costs of basic essentials are rising, but the value of money is falling faster!
With the financial can (of worms) already kicked down the road from 2008, we are about to catch up with it again in 2011, the next kick will open it!

The sovereign defaults that were delayed for the past couple of years, will almost certainly happen this year if oil and food prices continue going north, or even if they don't fall back.

Just how much "demand destruction" can the world create, before the financial sector decide it's time to change the model. Will they wait for China to "pop" first.

mickydoomsux

Deleted User wrote: »

The wheels are (really) starting to fall off the "infinite" growth economic model, there was a time when the economic cycle involved everything going up, one thing at a time, while the value of money fell at a slightly lower rate. This was so the parasitic sectors (banks etc) of the economy could prosper without killing the host.
Now the costs of basic essentials are rising, but the value of money is falling faster!
With the financial can (of worms) already kicked down the road from 2008, we are about to catch up with it again in 2011, the next kick will open it!

Shame the global recession is over and all the economies that matter have returned to growth. Sort of kills off your theory.

strokemyclover

I think Bryan Dobson's remarks about the Robot Marathon in Osaka, Japan is more likely to cause a major international incident tbh. After reporting on the event he commented "I can't think of anything I'd rather not do than that!"

Japan will obviously be outraged by Dobson's flamboyant remarks about one of their most cherished annual events and will demand an apology while pointing all nuclear weapons available to 53° 19' 16" North, 6° 12' 55" West (Donnybrook, Dublin).

Thank god I built that bomb shelter last week!

imme

they don't have weapons of mass destruction,

only good old weapons of conventional destruction (a lot of which were sold to them by the west),

which are still pretty good at killing a **** load of people.

bonerm

MonTheBiffy wrote: »

In fairness WWI started from 1 man being shot, and it was only later that the "serious" countries joined in. And Egypt is far from small its got like 70 million people. America and Britain are already involved down there, who's to say something wont spark in Iran or somewhere similar?

That happened because all the major world powers had signed treaties to back up particular countries in case of a war. So if two mickey mouse countries have a scrap over some regional issue then before you know it superpowers are fighting each other over something that essentially had nothing to do with them.

Not so sure if countries subscribe to alliance treaties today or even who is one which side. I suppose Israel would be ground zero if such a thing was to happen today and it'd be the West against the Arabs+Middle East. Which side would China and Russia be on cos they'd be big players and no doubt. Stay tuned.

Seloth

Lads whats happening in the arab world is what happened in the 60's in the western. Just different parts of the world and cultures experiencing it at different times.Kinda like how china is and many asian countrys are going through their industrial revolutions now.

And lads World war one didnt just kick off as of Franz Ferdinand being shot.
There was already huge tensions built before hand and war was inevitable.The main reason following this is because at one stage following the assassination reserves from once side were being transported up a boarder river and troops from the other side began to open fire on them as they thought it was an invasion force.

The larger countries joined in as of a series of treaties etc.

mickydoomsux

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Shame the global recession is over and all the economies that matter have returned to growth. Sort of kills off your theory.

LOL: Welcome to the world of the Wile E. Coyote economy

Humans eh!

Deleted User wrote: »

No real chance of a WWIII, but a world of wars (something that's been going on since the beginning of time) is going up a couple of gears. A flurry of overthrows is in progress right now, the main question has to be, just how far "west" will they go.

The wheels are (really) starting to fall off the "infinite" growth economic model, there was a time when the economic cycle involved everything going up, one thing at a time, while the value of money fell at a slightly lower rate. This was so the parasitic sectors (banks etc) of the economy could prosper without killing the host.
Now the costs of basic essentials are rising, but the value of money is falling faster!
With the financial can (of worms) already kicked down the road from 2008, we are about to catch up with it again in 2011, the next kick will open it!

The sovereign defaults that were delayed for the past couple of years, will almost certainly happen this year if oil and food prices continue going north, or even if they don't fall back.

Just how much "demand destruction" can the world create, before the financial sector decide it's time to change the model. Will they wait for China to "pop" first.

I agree, all our anger about wage/social welfare cuts and higher taxation to pay for the bank bailout may pale into insignifigance as prices, esp oil, spiral due to upheaval in the middle east. If Saudi Arabia falls then its big trouble as they are huge suppliers to the west's oil needs.
Libyan opposition fighters were on sky news today condemning the west for its inaction against the slaughter unleashed by Gadaffi's thugs, and see the west as only interested in their oil. I believe that a major ideological conflict is looming and Iran's president may kick something off with Israel to diffuse dissent internally by focusing the population against a common foe.
Our dependence on oil must be downgraded and fast, electric cars and safe cheap electricity is our only hope to keep the train a rollin'
Ireland is smothering its future by a burden of debts that we can only pay if our economy jumps off the floor and starts running very fast, which sadly I don't see happening.

I am very pessimistic about the next few years and I think that the world will be a much more dangerous place very soon for all.

Sanjuro

I dunno what will spark World War 3, but World War 4 will kick off when the tribe of three arm mutants steals the sex cattle from the tribe of five eyed mutants in the great radiation wasteland.

mickydoomsux

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL: Welcome to the world of the Wile E. Coyote economy

One guy vs. the IMF, the OECD, most economists and pretty much every major credit agency.

GoldRush4821

Bykobap wrote: »

It is only the dead who have seen the end of war.

Great saying! As for WW3, I can't see anything of the sort being sparked by localised revolutions in Africa/Mid East. A world war will only occur when you've got two "superpowers" on different sides of a conflict. IMO Gaddafi is much more resilient than Mubarak and it may very well take aggressive action to depose him, but nothing to the extent of world wars or nuclear stand offs. It will more than likely be an internal plot worked by defected and aggrieved soldiers. Surely he can't extend his reign much longer right? As for Saudi Arabia, that could prove more problematic, but the majority of protests here are low key to say the least.

ReacherCreature

St.Spodo wrote: »

Everyone envisions WW3 as a nuclear war, which it will be. The great powers wouldn't even dream of going to war over a bit of scuffling in Africa. There is no immediate security threat to any of the nuclear countries.

You can't really say that it's going to be a fully fledged nuclear war. It was the threat of nuclear holocaust that deterred the Soviet Union and the United States from lobbing warheads at each other. I'd hedge my bets on it being conventional.

double GG wrote: »

Perhaps the U.S Government will organize and execute a devious plan. Fly a few airplanes into some important pyramidal shaped buildings in Egypt and blame it on Afghanistan/Iraq. Should get something started.


EDIT: Sorry, Already been done to the twin towers.

Step away from the keyboard Jim Corr.

orourkeda

I cant wait.

Especially when Dublin goes all Baghdad and ****.

Orando Broom

Pauleta wrote: »

It depends on who takes over these Countries. If its Islamic extremists then we are in trouble. No matter what happens, 2011 is a year that will shape the world for a long time.

How so?

We've had upheavel of far greater consequence in the past. This is just stirring the pot in a tiny theatre in the geo-political sense.

Look at the spring riots of 1967. Look at the fall of communism. every so often there is a seismic shift in political establishment. When it happens in the west we can take note. Tin pot ****holes like Yemen and Tunisia and even Lybia are inconsequential. Hell only that **** loads of westerners go to Egypt it too would be relatively inconsequential.

Jamiekelly

The only way I see WW3 starting is if China and the USA get a little paranoid.
With 1 billion people in China still under communist rule I can see a revolution coming some time in the near future since history tends to repeat itself and countries like China are still under communist rule even after their so called revolution of 1949 between communists....and communists. If once charismatic person decides they want something other than communism then imagine the people who agree with him since there are 1 billion people there. Which will lead to civil unrest, then economic problems for the whole world, and finally war.

Thats just the way I think it will go.

hardcore

I cant see world war 3 happening, there is tensions in some small countries but not the main world superpowers, only country I could see causing riot in years down the line is Russia under new leadership

vampire of kilmainham

Yep there'll definetley be a world war the super powers will launch a few nucs an we are all fcuked so put ur head between ur legs an kiss ur ass bye bye enter the spirit world mighty craic :D:D:D:D:D

Sticky_Fingers

mickydoomsux wrote: »

One guy vs. the IMF, the OECD, most economists and pretty much every major credit agency.

Your actually listening to those clowns, their recent track record in predicting anything has been poor at best. While this Rosenberg fella may be a bit of a chicken little thats not to say that his concerns are completely unjustified.

sheesh

Lads Lads you are not looking at the big picture with all these small wars going there are going to be loads of guns and bullets bought.

Thank god for arms companies!!! the recesson will be over in no time!!!

liah

I don't know how credible this source is, but apparently there's even protests in North Korea: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/First-public-protests-against-the-Kims%E2%80%99-regime-20861.html

That cannot end well..

swarm.of.bees

A WW3 thread and not one mention of the mad elephant in the room - what about North Korea peoples? That guy is madder than Mad Frankie Frasier, and he (by his own admission) is "mad as a lorry".
L'il Kim is fond of the aul postering in a mad attempt to bring 'the other side' to the table for talks. His philosophy seems to be one of I'll scare the fúckers into having a chat. Now who is to say that one day he might just go that little bit too far and before you know it - we're all look back to the economc crisis with fond memories!!