Logically Sinn Fein are right

jimaneejeebus

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

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Anyway, who cares if SFs default policy is closest to McWs ideas? T

....you said in your last post that david mc williams policies are nothing like sinn feins.

Now you are saying they are?

At least we can finally agree on something.

So my initial point was that granted sf may not be ideal, [and I know you know this!] but they are at least talking about the €200,000,000,000 that we are going to have to default on eventually

What are the other parties proposing on this? 10 years of drudgery...default....5 more years of drudgery. They are keeping their mouths shut about this when it should be the focal point of our election. I guess it doesn't sit well with their neat 5 point plans.

Anyways, I can see we're never going to see eye to eye on this one. I hope your right. I hope FG have a viable policy for the €200,000,000,000 debt we are signing ourselves over to....

namloc1980

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

....you said in your last post that david mc williams policies are nothing like sinn feins.

Now you are saying they are?

At least we can finally agree on something.

So my initial point was that granted sf may not be ideal, [and I know you know this!] but they are at least talking about the €200,000,000,000 that we are going to have to default on eventually

What are the other parties proposing on this? 10 years of drudgery...default....5 more years of drudgery. They are keeping their mouths shut about this when it should be the focal point of our election. I guess it doesn't sit well with their neat 5 point plans.

Anyways, I can see we're never going to see eye to eye on this one. I hope your right. I hope FG have a viable policy for the €200,000,000,000 debt we are signing ourselves over to....

Sinn Féin voted in the Dáil in 2008 in favour of supporting the Bank Guarantee scheme when it was first mooted. Interesting change of heart they've had.

KELTICKNIGHTT

KIERAN1 wrote: »

China has a socialist economy but is fast becoming a Capitalist country, the political structures are reforming in China in the last decade, plus there the second largest economic power in the World, in ten years, will replace United States as the only superpower. Europe has not been nice to us, so why should we sit on there knees, and thank them for the presents we got? You have odd outlook to me, friends treat you well.

my friend,weather china this or not,it will want something and ireland has given up enough,we been in europe along time and have benifited from it in long run
we export and import through europe,theres no option in pulling out,anyone who thinks this is living in middle ages which sf is and supporters are ,most of what said here by sf and its supporters,its about time maybe for sf wakes up from its old republican guff if they ever want people too be taking serious and come straight with people about things on both sides of the border,it be a good start but dont think they can tell the truth,which is very obvious

KELTICKNIGHTT

Euroland wrote: »

Wake up, nobody wants to leave the EU, we just want to eliminate bank debt and leave the Euro zone, which created all these problems.

As regards to China, they are open-minded and their economy now is pretty much a market economy, they like making $.

the eu is looking at doing somethings with interest rate like for all eu contries like ireland and greece,so its await and see on that,

jimaneejeebus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Interesting change of heart they've had.

Because they're the only party with any bit of balls to do so.

namloc1980

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

Because they're the only party with any bit of balls to do so.

Well if they did a full u-turn on this issue then how they be trusted not to do so on other issues?

jimaneejeebus

For all you people who just this afternoon were talking about how we CAN afford the bailout, here is the MAINSTREAM media talking about it. I'm not just talking about those imposters in tv3. I'm talking about the real deal. Welcome to the bigtime RTE 2's Prime Time.
It's got the mothering face of Miriam and the grandfather-like familiarity of Noonan to help y'all through it. Nice flashy graphic presentation which draws an analogy between the office of hogwarts and the ministry of finance.
Might finally persuade the doubters here today that WE CANNOT AFFORD IT

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1092031

I dunno guys.....if you can't believe these people who else? Gay Byrne, Joe Duffy, The Pope?

jimaneejeebus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well if they did a full u-turn on this issue then how they be trusted not to do so on other issues?

Boooh! Remember we did a U-turn on using DDT on out crops or lead in our petrol?
You can do better than that namloc!

namloc1980

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

Boooh! Remember we did a U-turn on using DDT on out crops or lead in our petrol?
You can do better than that namloc!

Strawman argument. Typical.

jimaneejeebus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Strawman argument. Typical.

reductio ad absurdum. Well if you make a stupid argument.....

namloc1980

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

reductio ad absurdum. Well if you make a stupid argument.....

Ignoring the fact that you haven't bothered to answer the question put to you what do make of SFs proposal to give members of a foreign parliament the right to have an input into drafting a new constitution for this state? Or what about their desire to give automatic membership in our Dáil to members of a foreign parliament? Or what do you think of their plan to take €7bn from the NPRF when there is only €4.9bn left in it?

KELTICKNIGHTT

jimaneejeebus wrote: »

For all you people who just this afternoon were talking about how we CAN afford the bailout, here is the MAINSTREAM media talking about it. I'm not just talking about those imposters in tv3. I'm talking about the real deal. Welcome to the bigtime RTE 2's Prime Time.
It's got the mothering face of Miriam and the grandfather-like familiarity of Noonan to help y'all through it. Nice flashy graphic presentation which draws an analogy between the office of hogwarts and the ministry of finance.
Might finally persuade the doubters here today that WE CANNOT AFFORD IT

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1092031

I dunno guys.....if you can't believe these people who else? Gay Byrne, Joe Duffy, The Pope?

more republician guff,but no policys that work from sf ,no solutions that work from sf
sf is like a parrot ,still same bull talk as 40 years ago

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sinn Féin voted in the Dáil in 2008 in favour of supporting the Bank Guarantee scheme when it was first mooted. Interesting change of heart they've had.

i'm guessing you weren't watching Vincent Browne tonight

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

i'm guessing you weren't watching Vincent Browne tonight

Pray tell

MidgetWrestler

Ah election time.. I'd like to say I don't care, but I do.
What i want to hear from the politicians is the truth. Whether it be FF, FG, Green, Labour, SF, Independents.. they spend more time telling people spin and these magical projections than the truth. We all know taxes will rise, and spending will be cut, and the price of everything will go up, and it's going to be hard.. I know it and you know it, and 100s of 1000s of people will emigrate, our future, off away to NZ or Aus or Canade, our best and brightest, the very people we need with the skills and motivation to get us out of this hole are leaving in droves, and it seems that the political establishment couldn't care less.

I'd vote for someone if they stood up and said, listen, this is where we stand... spell it out in plain language, What it means, and why, and how they intend to get us out of it.. what they really intend to do now, not this sugar coated electioneering crap they been spouting.

KELTICKNIGHTT

MidgetWrestler wrote: »

Ah election time.. I'd like to say I don't care, but I do.
What i want to hear from the politicians is the truth. Whether it be FF, FG, Green, Labour, SF, Independents.. they spend more time telling people spin and these magical projections than the truth. We all know taxes will rise, and spending will be cut, and the price of everything will go up, and it's going to be hard.. I know it and you know it, and 100s of 1000s of people will emigrate, our future, off away to NZ or Aus or Canade, our best and brightest, the very people we need with the skills and motivation to get us out of this hole are leaving in droves, and it seems that the political establishment couldn't care less.

I'd vote for someone if they stood up and said, listen, this is where we stand... spell it out in plain language, What it means, and why, and how they intend to get us out of it.. what they really intend to do now, not this sugar coated electioneering crap they been spouting.

so have you decide who too vote for ?
for me ,i havent but know i wont vote for

will say this
5 way debate
where gormely,geeen party leader said something but who i dont like
when he said if all partys where serious ,all come together for few years too help the country, form a national goverment too ireland back on track and then after that ,all go there different party ways
no one agreed or even said anything,sums it up
all changed the subject
that says it all in irish politics ,all partys are in it for power only

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

Pray tell

Colm Keneavny (sp?) tried use the same lies, Vincent Browne put him quickly in his place.

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

Colm Keneavny (sp?) tried use the same lies, Vincent Browne put him quickly in his place.

Please explain. What are you talking about?

PomBear

He tried use that "hurr, Sinn Féin voted for the bank guarantee" Labour BS rhetoric.

Truth is Sinn Féin voted for a blanket guarantee that would let the Minister for Finance more power to deal with the banking crisis, FG voted too.

Labour didn't vote no, they refused to vote.....

namloc1980

PomBear wrote: »

He tried use that "hurr, Sinn Féin voted for the bank guarantee" Labour BS rhetoric.

Truth is Sinn Féin voted for a blanket guarantee that would let the Minister for Finance more power to deal with the banking crisis, FG voted too.

Labour didn't vote no, they refused to vote.....

Labour did vote no. SF voted in favour of the Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill. They then u-turned.

PomBear

namloc1980 wrote: »

Labour did vote no. SF voted in favour of the Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill. They then u-turned.

Wrong.

Would you like to post the Dáil transcripts where this apparently happened?

joesoap007

oh dear look at all the pro FFpeople debunking on another sinn fein thread. keep up your good work sheeple.your selling your children and grand children to the imf, oh thanks for voting yes to lisbon aswell your just a great bunch,whats next making farmers buy death seeds from monsanto like the imf done africa forced vacations abortions all imf policy.what happens to the interest on the bail out WHEN inflation rises? 5 years 10 years extra to pay it back,inflation in the uk is rising 4% a month for the last 4 or 5 months and thats their own cooked numbers.the fed and the euorpen bank are flooding the world with money they have made out tinn air that will start hyper inflation why are they doing this?and the derivatives market that irish and euro banks lost all there money in thats a scam if i ever did see one.why would you buy a bunch of dodgy mortgage and car lones from the US?AND WHY DO ME AND MY FAMLIY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK WHEN IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US ,IT WAS THE BANKS CALL IT WAS F.F CALL THERE OWED BY THE BANKS jail them seize there assets dont rob your own people ,vote sinn fein and lets stop these fools in FF FG AND LAB from killing whats left of this great counrty rich in farming gold dimonds oil gas wind power fishing grounds that our own fleet can even fish cuz FF sold out again to europe.lets lead the way by telling the uaas fed and imf to fcuk off others will follow.,,,,sinn fein all the way

KELTICKNIGHTT

joesoap007 wrote: »

oh dear look at all the FF debunkers on another sinn fein thread. keep up you good work sheeple.your selling your children and grand children to the imf, oh thanks for voting yes to lisbon aswell your just a great bunch,whats next making farmers buy death seeds from monsanto like the imf done africa forced vacations abortions all imf policy.what happens to the interest on the bail out WHEN inflation rises? 5 years 10 years extra to pay it back,inflation in the uk is rising 4% a month for the last 4 or 5 months and thats their own cooked numbers.the fed and the euorpen bank are flooding the world money they have made out tinn air that will start hyper inflation why are they doing this?and the derivatives market that irish and euro banks lost all there money in thats a scam if i ever did see one.why would you buy a bunch of dodgy mortgage and car lones from the US?AND WHY DO ME AND MY FAMLIY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK WHEN IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US ,IT WAS THE BANKS CALL IT WAS F.F CALL THERE OWED BY THE BANKS jail them seize there assets dont rob your own people ,vote sinn fein and lets stop these fools in FF FG AND LAB from killing whats left of this great counrty rich in farming gold dimonds oil gas wind power fishing grounds that our own fleet can even fish cuz FF sold out again to europe.lets lead the way by telling the uaas fed and imf to fcuk off others will follow.,,,,sinn fein all the way

more sf guff,no policy's that work,just Republican party guff

joesoap007

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

more sf guff,no policy's that work,just Republican party guff

yeah yeah yeah


love your pointless reply ,your like an oap lost in time.you will find facts in the post not guff .

KELTICKNIGHTT

joesoap007 wrote: »

yeah yeah yeah


love your pointless reply ,your like an oap lost in time.you will find facts in the post not guff .

lets see,NO VOTE FOR SINN FEIN

MidgetWrestler

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so have you decide who too vote for ?
for me ,i havent but know i wont vote for

will say this
5 way debate
where gormely,geeen party leader said something but who i dont like
when he said if all partys where serious ,all come together for few years too help the country, form a national goverment too ireland back on track and then after that ,all go there different party ways
no one agreed or even said anything,sums it up
all changed the subject
that says it all in irish politics ,all partys are in it for power only

Half way decided.. I have an idea in my head of who I want in power but there's no one there. On the radio this morning the Trade Union lad is threatening FG, and want's Kenny to explain what he meant by the unions' vested interests contributing to the mess... If he folds under pressure and bows to the TU people, FG will have lost my vote.
I couldn't give a rats arse about the name of the party, I care about having a strong, honest, intelligent representative, with integrity and values, who puts the people first. As far as I can see, they're all more interested in power grabbing, and lining their own pockets, and no one does that better than FF.
Labour sitting on the fence, FG maybe, but i don't see any strength in them, FF no, never, SF unlikely, Greens, no - they slept with the devil and will go the way of the PDs, none of the independents or united left right middle will get a vote. I understand that strength is in numbers, so they need to be a party to get anything done.
Looking at FFs new leader, Martin, I'd vote for him, but (like someone on the telly said) it's like his girlfriend caught him cheating, and he's really sorry, and he says he'l never do it again.. and he'll be good for now, till after the election, but if they get in, i'd expect they go back to the old ways of lining their pockets, running us into the ground, looking after union top brass to keep the sheep in line, vintners and all their other buddies.
Will vote FG if they show some bottle

jimaneejeebus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ignoring the fact that you haven't bothered to answer the question put to you

Did you seriously want me to answer that? Ok the reason I believe that it's not wrong for a party [or anyone for that matter] to change their mind about something is because when there is evidence to suggest that changing your mind (u-turning) is the right thing to do>you should do it!
As in crossing the road but a car comes....you change your mind.....or you give a blanket guarantee because your told with very little evidence that it needs to be done to save the country.....then on further evidence, you find that it's totally the wrong thing to....what do you do...you change your mind. If anything, it shows flexibility in leadership...[not distrust as you were implicating]

namloc1980 wrote: »

what do make of SFs proposal to give members of a foreign parliament the right to have an input into drafting a new constitution for this state? Or what about their desire to give automatic membership in our Dáil to members of a foreign parliament?

Where does it say that?

namloc1980 wrote: »

Or what do you think of their plan to take €7bn from the NPRF when there is only €4.9bn left in it?

Is it really down to €4.9bn? Can you cite me some reference to it?
Perhaps their manifesto was released into the public domain before they heard news of the remaining €4.9bn. I'm not saying your wrong. But I'd like a citation or reference?
If it is I obviously don't think it's very realistic to take 7bn out of 4.9.....

I'm not saying they're perfect by any stretch, but they stand closest to how I feel about this http://thepeopleseconomy.com/roadmap-to-recovery/ [/QUOTE]

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

more republician guff,but no policys that work from sf ,no solutions that work from sf
sf is like a parrot ,still same bull talk as 40 years ago

Hi Keltic Knight
Since when was Michael Noonan and Miriam O Callahan, republican? And when was the last time you heard them spewing republican guff?
You'll note noonan was talking about fg policies and you'll also note that he said we cannot afford the bail-out. Something-if I'm not mistaken- you were saying yesterday would never happen!!!

Dubol

MidgetWrestler wrote: »

Half way decided.. I have an idea in my head of who I want in power but there's no one there. On the radio this morning the Trade Union lad is threatening FG, and want's Kenny to explain what he meant by the unions' vested interests contributing to the mess... If he folds under pressure and bows to the TU people, FG will have lost my vote.

Non of the parties are telling the truth so I have listened to and read the reports by the financial "experts" and not just from Ireland. Putting party politics aside I have made my decision based on the advice and solutions put forward by independant financers. SF,Labour will be my Number 1 and 2.
As one expert said on TV, why should someone who never had any money in that bank be punished and have to bail out that bank. Why should multi millionairs be compensated by me. I use my local credit union and they have no problems.
When you have a bet in the bookies and lose do you get compensated? Thats what the banks and bond holders are asking us to do. FG/FF/GP are willing to hand over part of my wages/savings to gamblers who have lost.

randomhuman

joesoap007 wrote: »

whats wrong with you?derivatives market got your tongue
im sure they wont need your vote anyway.thats if your even irish id say your just another paid debunker

Does anybody know where I can sign up to be paid to disagree with people on the internet? Sounds like a sweet job, right up my alley (since I disagree with pretty much everyone), but I've never seen anything like that in the jobs listings

Dubol

Dubol wrote: »

so I have listened and read the reports by the financial "experts" and not just from Ireland. Putting party politics aside I have made my decision based on the advice and solutions put forward by independant financers. SF,Labour will be my Number 1 and 2.

So you are voting on the imf/eu deal only?
You do realise that Constantin and others do not agree with most of the rest of SF economic policy.In fact they think it's Daft.

Why do you feel happy to take their view on one subject and not the whole thing? Thats selective and in fact not being true with yourself in my opinion.

Theres no doubt that we can't pay the rushed and ill thought out FF deal.
But we have to be realistic and deal with our lenders or else run the country from next year on circa €30 billion.
Implimenting SF policies in full as is,would mean a €20 billion cut in jobs and services in one year when the money ran out.

Is that what you want to vote for?