Micheal Martin - society to blame for a "lazy" consensus over how the country was run

skelliser

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin today blamed wider society for a “lazy” consensus over how the country was run during recent years.

Insisting Brian Cowen and Bertie Ahern were not culpable either

http://www.breakingnews.ie/election/news/martin-dail-business-ridiculous-493589.html


Just when you though these FF scumbags could get any worse they come out with this!!!
This fool has been in gov. for 14 years and what has he done! nothing, absolutely **** all!!


Fianna Fail - the party which blames everyone else but themselves!!

chin_grin

skelliser wrote: »

Fianna Fail - the party which blames everyone else but themselves!!

What about the gobsh*tes that keep voting for them?

skelliser

chin_grin wrote: »

What about the gobsh*tes that keep voting for them?

well thats it isnt it!
Martin is basically calling the electorate gob****es and "LAZY" for voting him and his ilk in!!

Ickle Magoo

Perhaps he has a point?

charlemont

Martin is really getting on peoples nerves, he is bonkers, thankfully no one I know will vote for that eejit..

dilbert2

skelliser wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/election/news/martin-dail-business-ridiculous-493589.html


Just when you though these FF scumbags could get any worse they come out with this!!!
This fool has been in gov. for 14 years and what has he done! nothing, absolutely **** all!!


Fianna Fail - the party which blames everyone else but themselves!!

Oh go on Micheal, that’s it, keep rubbing it in people's faces. The more of this, the better in my opinion – let Micheal get up even more people's backs, that way he is further ensuring the impending extinction of FFailure.

bonerm

I'm fairly sure FF are trying to lose at this point.

ninebeanrows

FF are getting angry, they now realise their grip on power is well and truly over. What is worse they were secretly expecting the usual FF ascent towards polling day and probably expected they would get near 30% of the vote even on the worst day.

Now they are facing obliteration, 15% nationwide, they still don't believe it. They still expect an extra 10% on that but they are getting edgy.

ilovesleep

'We all partied with Anglo' - as if coming out and telling the nation this wasn't bad enough, they come out and they say that.

It smacks of disbelief. Last time i checked, it wasn't my job to do their fcuking job.

starbelgrade

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

Perhaps he has a point?

He does and he doesn't.

On one hand, the Irish electorate could be accused of taking their eye off the ball for a while.

On the other hand however, most people would expect that while they are busy leading their lives, working, studying, raising families etc., that those who are elected into power as caretakers of the country's economy, will not lead us up shit creek & fuck the whole thing to such an absymal level.

But of course, it's easier to just blame the electorate for being lazy.

The_Minister

In fairness, when the voters all say they want one thing, and the opposition say the same thing, it's a bit hypocritical to turn around and start screaming: "ZOMG!!! We elected you, shouldn't have done what we wanted, you should have done what was right!!!!"



They should have done what was right, even though they wouldn't be re-elected, but if half the people here actually held back then the opinions they hold now, maybe there would not have been a political consensus towards mad spending and continual boom.

They were wrong, and they were in power so they are responsible, but no-one who used, or nodded their head to, the phrase "the government coffers are overflowing" can point fingers.

wee slabber

Martin is beginning to lose it. His worst fear is that SF will pass FF by. He's resigned to opposition (they didn't run enough candidates to do otherwise), but the spectre of "the Republican Party" being passed out "Down here in the Republic" by SF is beginning to eat at him and his colleagues.:)

kincsem

Lehman Brothers did it.
And Goldman Sachs.

squod

chin_grin wrote: »

What about the gobsh*tes that keep voting for them?

They're transferring to FF junior or FG as they're now known.

EggsAckley

There only one thing at this stage the rest of Ireland can say to make amends for all the wrong we have done to FF: Me so solly

Snakeblood

Looking back on it I guess it is all my fault. Sorry everyone. I'd have spoken up sooner but I was sort of thinking it was whoever was in government.

dolphin city

ahh, I see finally Mr. Burns Michael Martin is losing the plot.

did he HONESTLY think that by being "in charge" at the eleventh hour people would be fooled into believing his nonsense

Ickle Magoo

starbelgrade wrote: »

He does and he doesn't.

On one hand, the Irish electorate could be accused of taking their eye off the ball for a while.

On the other hand however, most people would expect that while they are busy leading their lives, working, studying, raising families etc., that those who are elected into power as caretakers of the country's economy, will not lead us up shit creek & fuck the whole thing to such an absymal level.

But of course, it's easier to just blame the electorate for being lazy.

Well, it's political suicide to verbalise it but I think he's only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

Who are these gombeens that keep voting for FF? Ask now and no-one seems to have ever voted for them! Who are so lazy that their voting isn't dependant on examining electoral promises or reading manifestos but on who their mammy/daddy told them to vote for...the country's in a complete shambles and beyond the general grumble, grumble you'd think it was business as usual...gob****es and lazy wouldn't be too far off the mark in a lot of cases, tbh.

dilbert2

Just came across something else there. So now we have,

(a) Micheal making Chinese impersonations in interviews,

(b) blaming the Irish public for the state we are in today.




Bye bye Fianna Fail (possibly for good).

ninebeanrows

No, FF RTE don't report these type of things so the masses of FF supporters won't know!

wee slabber

Just like Martin's stereotypical, Elton John-loving Chinaman, "Solly Seems to Be the Hardest Word".

ilovesleep

This would be akin to someone eating in a restaurant, receives food posioning, and the chef saying: 'you ate here. its your fault. Will I sh1t on your plate now?'

or a rapist in court blaming his victim because she has a vagina in her pants.

thenutflush

He's right, and I find it refreshing to hear him say it. Nobody gave a sh'it about economics or where the money was coming from during the boom...now everybody seems to be an expert.

Debthree

I'm too angry to type right now. If I know anyone who votes for FF next week I'm going to cut them out of my life. [Okay, I managed to get out a few words, lol]

squod

Dunno about no-body. I did and still do. Put my hands up though, I once voted green. Never again.

Debthree

thenutflush wrote: »

He's right, and I find it refreshing to hear him say it. Nobody gave a sh'it about economics or where the money was coming from during the boom...now everybody seems to be an expert.

Speak for yourself. I always "gave a sh'it" about the economy and money. As a parent of three kids I have to give a ****. Micheal Martin and the rest of his cronies partied at our expense with their back-pocket brown envelopes and their nods and winks to bank shareholders and their completely apathetic approach to leading this country. I have three children who have now inherited a huge debt so the bank shareholders (who invested at their own risk I might add) could be bailed out and the party could continue. When I say goodbye to my two eldest boys in a couple of years at the airport (cause there are NO jobs here) I'll remember that it was all my fault... yeah, right.

Gigiwagga

In 2003, in a private meeting I had with Michael Martin he told me that he held France totally responsible for the invasion of Iraq, and for all the carnage that resulted in it. This is true, he said this to me, nothing he says now would shock me, he's devious.

dilbert2

Gigiwagga wrote: »

In 2003, in a private meeting I had with Michael Martin he told me that he held France totally responsible for the invasion of Iraq, and for all the carnage that resulted in it. This is true, he said this to me, nothing he says now would shock me, he's devious.

Did he do a French accent impersonation while suggesting it?

Snakeblood

thenutflush wrote: »

He's right, and I find it refreshing to hear him say it. Nobody gave a sh'it about economics or where the money was coming from during the boom...now everybody seems to be an expert.

You find it refreshing that it's everyone's fault but his? Have you been paying attention to Fianna Fail for the last 3 years?

thenutflush

Snakeblood wrote: »

You find it refreshing that it's everyone's fault but his? Have you been paying attention to Fianna Fail for the last 3 years?

Its Fianna fail's fault AND our fault (as a collective population .. as an individual, you might never have voted for them and might also have not lived on enormous amounts of borrowed money and so are not culpable) AND the opposition at the time's fault AND the banks.....

old hippy

FF hold electorate in contempt shocker!

Ickle Magoo

Snakeblood wrote: »

You find it refreshing that it's everyone's fault but his? Have you been paying attention to Fianna Fail for the last 3 years?

We live in a democracy - the government only exists for as long as "the people" will it. Had there been mass demonstrations and some effort put in to actually complaining about all the bad decisions that have been made then an election would have been called years ago. How many people took to the streets to vent their frustrations and complain at what FF was doing on their behalf? A handful of OAP's and some students...

DonalK1981

charlemont wrote: »

Martin is really getting on peoples nerves, he is bonkers, thankfully no one I know will vote for that eejit..

Would you put it past them?

bonerm

thenutflush wrote: »

Its Fianna fail's fault AND our fault (as a collective population .. as an individual, you might never have voted for them and might also have not lived on enormous amounts of borrowed money and so are not culpable) AND the opposition at the time's fault AND the banks.....

That's me. Thanks everyone. I'll just go off and feel smug for a while now.

Snakeblood

thenutflush wrote: »

Its Fianna fail's fault AND our fault (as a collective population .. as an individual, you might never have voted for them and might also have not lived on enormous amounts of borrowed money and so are not culpable) AND the opposition at the time's fault AND the banks.....

The people at large were mocked and told to kill themselves by their government if they questioned the economic boom, they were systematically lied to and dissenting voices were shouted down. I don't really think it's their fault. except congenital FF voters.

Edit: Also I'm not culpable under your definition.

dilbert2

It would be interesting to here a FF election song with something along the lines of the Simpson's "It's not the mayor's fault that the stadium collapsed".

bonerm

dilbert2 wrote: »

It would be interesting to here a FF election song with something along the lines of the Simpson's "It's not the mayor's fault that the stadium collapsed".

Under Fianna Fail the stadium doesn't even get built in the first place.

ejmaztec

He can come out with any desperate old cock he likes, and with any luck, they'll be holding the next FF ard fheis in his garden shed, because there will be plenty room.

mikedragon32

bonerm wrote: »

Under Fianna Fail the stadium doesn't even get built in the first place.

And that is their biggest regret...

KrazeeEyezKilla

He's never explained who it was that drove this consensus in the first place and why he didn't challenge it. It's easy to say that the public would have turned on them but in the long run they would have been better off losing the last election. People didn't ask for a property bubble in the first place and a competent government wouldn't have had to rely on it to survive. Most people who got themselves into debt during the boom are paying for it now, as are the people who didn't "party". The Government, & Regulators whose job is to run the economy and the Bankers & Developers who are the most responsible for the mess and have largely gotten away with it.

Gunsfortoys

Sure me ma voted for them, I am not going to change now.

Snakeblood

KrazeeEyezKilla wrote: »

He's never explained who it was that drove this consensus in the first place and why he didn't challenge it. It's easy to say that the public would have turned on them but in the long run they would have been better off losing the last election. People didn't ask for a property bubble in the first place and a competent government wouldn't have had to rely on it to survive. Most people who got themselves into debt during the boom are paying for it now, as are the people who didn't "party". The Government, & Regulators whose job is to run the economy and the Bankers & Developers who are the most responsible for the mess and have largely gotten away with it.

Governments are supposed to give people what they need not what they want. That defence is bollocks and makes the seem like the weak willed ****s that they so truly are.

Hank_Jones

They are to blame though.

They managed the country's finances, not us.
I don't expect them to have a crystal ball, but the country should be run like a business, don't overstretch or you will go bankrupt.

How he can say anything like that after all the money that was thrown around is nonsense.

The amount of quangos they created was outrageous.

"Do we really need another seperate body for that?"
"Sure we do, don't worry we're loaded, let the good times roll."

Sanjuro

Fianna Fail should change their election slogan to 'Fuck off. We don't want power.'

steddyeddy

skelliser wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/election/news/martin-dail-business-ridiculous-493589.html


Just when you though these FF scumbags could get any worse they come out with this!!!
This fool has been in gov. for 14 years and what has he done! nothing, absolutely **** all!!


Fianna Fail - the party which blames everyone else but themselves!!

I never thought fianna fail couldnt get worse!

KrazeeEyezKilla

Snakeblood wrote: »

Governments are supposed to give people what they need not what they want. That defence is bollocks and makes the seem like the weak willed ****s that they so truly are.

Huh!!!! Where did I defend them?

Snakeblood

KrazeeEyezKilla wrote: »

Huh!!!! Where did I defend them?

Sorry, wasn't on at you. I was thinking of Bertie saying he couldn't deflate the economy because he'd be crucified. I have so much rage.:(

super_furry

Micheal Martin is 100% correct. Society IS to blame.

We had three elections, THREE, when we voted in that bunch of incompotent crooks. A people get the government they deserve and we got what we deserved by putting Fianna Fail into power.

parker kent

The brainless mob mentality that is shown in threads like this is the same brainless mentality that contributed to the downturn. People were not just idly enjoying the boom, there were many who were actively upset that the government was not being generous enough. Every budget was not complete until newspapers, TV etc had the usual "a great opportunity wasted" whingebag stories.

Basically some people can be short sighted, selfish and ignorant of what is the right thing to do. Sadly we have a political system which rewards short term politics and panders to these short sighted, selfish and ignorant traits. Of course FF made disastrous mistakes. Of course they should have made the right decisions and ensured the country remained somewhat stable. Of course they should have responded to warnings of a property bubble which were flagged as early as 2000. The failure to implement sufficient regulation and accountability in the financial sector is a terrible, terrible error which we will suffer from for a long time.

But to do the right thing all the time would have meant political suicide and brought in a different set of similar self-serving politicians who would have made similar poor decisions. Maybe not the same poor decisions, but they would have responded to the whims of the public or suffered defeat in the next election.

Until we get true electoral reform and get local BS out of national politics, we won't have true change. There should be more people coming up with arguments like the one Dermot Desmond recently published and which was reprinted in Saturdays Irish Times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0212/1224289635945.html

skelliser

your having a laugh! Dermot Desmond!!

he did nicely out of the boom but unlike the vast majority isnt suffering now!

he is a prime example of how you say it

short term politics and panders to these short sighted, selfish and ignorant traits.

and who was one of Desmonds best friends? None other then Charles J Haughey!

oh and afaik Desmond isnt primarily resident in ireland so doesnt pay any tax here!

oh least we forget who is stalling and messing at the mahon tribunal!!

squod

parker kent wrote: »

The brainless mob mentality that is shown in threads like this is the same brainless mentality that contributed to the downturn...........

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0212/1224289635945.html

Read the article. Mr Desmond makes alot of changes and dosn't seem to notice that the politics we have wouldn't work in any bluddy parliament. There is no debate, all decisions are made behind closed doors among party members and then statements are released in a performance piece in the Dail. The Dail has little or no real function anymore, that's the fault of the people who keep electing corrupt cronies.

The answer to our problems is to stop electing these bluddy cronies. Judging by the polls people have not learnt one iota in the last few years.