Galway GAA discussion thread

Rosita

The Talking Bread wrote: »

hi guys, can someone answer me a question. I have read somewhere that Cyrill Farrell (and Justin McCarthy) came on as subs in the 1985 All Ireland semi final. This was the match played in treachorous conditions that reulted in only 8000 making the match.

Is this just a fictional legend?

I can't believe you are still peddling this one!!! Just because some guy misinterpreted a match preview from 2012 which said that the managers came on as subs in the 1985 semi final (it was the 2012 managers Barry Murphy & Cunningham who came on!!!!!!!!!!) this has become an issue. There are people out there, like myself, who were around in those days splitting their sides reading this. Can you imagine Mick Ryan & Donoghue coming on as subs today? You couldn't make it up.

Rosita

T0001 wrote: »

They made Tipp look very ordinary at times.

They are very ordinary. Kilkenny will beat seven shades out of them. But then again today's winner was irrelevant to the final outcome.

Diabhal Beag

Tactically our puckouts in the second half were calamitous. Joe Cooney had a good game but he was hung out to dry through pure lack of options and Tipp's biggest scores came from counter attacks directly from losing our own puckouts. Cyril for all his criticisms is the only other option we had and won two clean balls out of nothing.

derealbadger

We gave everything today very unlucky to have the two lads getting injured so early and it had a big effect on the game if they had stayed on the pitch Galway would have won. One thing at the game was that Connor Whelan should have been taken off he just wasnt up to the pace of the game he seems to have lost a lot of pace this year. I think it is a good thing for us to be in 1B for the league gives the opertunity to try out some new players in 1A every game is so important that you have to put out your strongest team looking forward to next year

cosatron

very disappointed for the lads as they gave it everything, but id accredit this loss to the line more so than anything else. Smith on for touhy was a joke, coen and burke were on top at midfield and they changed it, why didn't he bring on Killeen as o meara wasn't up to much. Same goes for donnellan, great servant but bring on a young lad and see what his made off, as the management had a built in excuse with the two boys going off injured. Mannion and Whelan weren't on form and left them on way to long, Maloney was on for 10 mins and got a point and looked busy. there is plenty of positives and they are very close to an all Ireland, they just need to do a cull, moore, Collins, smith, tannion, donnellan, glennon and r burke and give more game time to dean Higgins, eanna burke, brehony, shane cooney,maloney, killeen, molloy and hopefully johnny Glynn and greg lally will be back next year and try and get Eugene Cloonan back involved with the forwards next year.

Moo Moo Land

cosatron wrote: »

very disappointed for the lads as they gave it everything, but id accredit this loss to the line more so than anything else. Smith on for touhy was a joke, coen and burke were on top at midfield and they changed it, why didn't he bring on Killeen as o meara wasn't up to much. Same goes for donnellan, great servant but bring on a young lad and see what his made off, as the management had a built in excuse with the two boys going off injured. Mannion and Whelan weren't on form and left them on way to long, Maloney was on for 10 mins and got a point and looked busy. there is plenty of positives and they are very close to an all Ireland, they just need to do a cull, moore, Collins, smith, tannion, donnellan, glennon and r burke and give more game time to dean Higgins, eanna burke, brehony, shane cooney,maloney, killeen, molloy and hopefully johnny Glynn and greg lally will be back next year and try and get Eugene Cloonan back involved with the forwards next year.

Johnny Glynn was a big loss. He would have won more possession at half forward and provided an option for those 2nd half aimless balls from our backs.

You're right on the bench - a serious cull needed. Some of the older players are not intercounty standard anymore. Donoghue has had a good look at them now since January and I expect a new squad as we look to get back to Div 1A.

I just wonder with Waterford coming on strong and Clare to come again when they offload Davy, have we missed a good window for AI success. KK are there for the taking, especially without Fennelly.
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The Talking Bread

Rosita wrote: »

I can't believe you are still peddling this one!!! Just because some guy misinterpreted a match preview from 2012 which said that the managers came on as subs in the 1985 semi final (it was the 2012 managers Barry Murphy & Cunningham who came on!!!!!!!!!!) this has become an issue. There are people out there, like myself, who were around in those days splitting their sides reading this. Can you imagine Mick Ryan & Donoghue coming on as subs today? You couldn't make it up.

Maybe read my posts and stop taking whatever vented up anger you have out on Boards.ie forums!! I never insisted anything! I replied on the All Ireland thread when YOU brought it up again to me, yes YOU even though we had already gone through the rigma roll Saturday night! It was clear you were just trying to start an argument.

This was my reply then and this is my reply now!:


"why did you reply again to that post............. We had this discussion last night so why are you replying to exact same post 12 hours later bringing it up again!! you are a very tetchy poster!!!

Listen, I couldn't give a rats arse whether Cyril Farrell came on or even whether John Doe finally togged out and got a game for his county! I can only go by what I read and thats why I posted it! I wasn't there but it was referenced in a few articles so I thought i'd mention it when we were discussing the 1985 final! I thought it was a fun fact, No need to take it so seriously!

As I said I dont care whether it happened or not, but you seem obsessed with sarcastic posts telling me it didnt!
I honestly dont find it improbable at all that it happened to be honest but whether it did or not makes absolutely no difference!!"


As I keep saying, I was not insisting on anything, when I read it myself I thought it was a strange and fun "fact" (that is now established as fiction) as were talking at the time as we were talking about the 1985 final. I read it a couple of times, can you blame me for believing it?? Is it that far off the realm of possibilities that it may have happened?

I wasn't arguing with anyone. Nor insisting my views. Yesterday I just popped over here and asked the Galway guys to confirm that it WASNT true. What is the big deal there. I didnt think you would be lurking about spoiling for a row!

It gets you nowhere being so hostile and argumentative on an internet forum and all your posts seem thus! Its a sport, yes debate but try not come across as such an $rsehole with your smart alec, sarcastic driven "i'm right, you are wrong" stylistic replies.


FIN.

MfMan

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Johnny Glynn was a big loss. He would have won more possession at half forward and provided an option for those 2nd half aimless balls from our backs.

You're right on the bench - a serious cull needed. Some of the older players are not intercounty standard anymore. Donoghue has had a good look at them now since January and I expect a new squad as we look to get back to Div 1A.

I just wonder with Waterford coming on strong and Clare to come again when they offload Davy, have we missed a good window for AI success. KK are there for the taking, especially without Fennelly.
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Maybe. But KK will have to wane sometime, I do think they're close to running on empty now, and the replacements just aren't as readily available now. Waterford will have some great players coming to the fore in the next few years, Gleeson, Pauric Mahony, De Burca, but they might need more. Men like Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran aren't getting younger and will need replacing sometime, and like KK, the replacements, especially for the forwards, mightn't be as close to hand as they would wish. Hard to know what to make of Clare; how could they be so good to win an AI in 2013 and fall off a cliff since? Maybe it is Davy that's restricting them. Based on this year's c'ship, Limerick, Cork and Wexford still have an amount of ground to cover to make up the gap.

The next few years *could* belong to Tipp with a lot of their forwards coming into their prime and the current Minor crop looking ominously good. (What happened our own Minors? How could they be so poor?) But I only say 'could' because Tipp historically don't monopolise titles unlike Cork or KK. (Maybe because everyone dislikes them and tries extra-hard to beat them?!) Also, not their fault, but I think they occasionally become hyped-up media-darlings, mainly on account of eyecatching wins in the Munster c'ship. (A bit like the Galway footballers sometimes.) I think yesterday was a truer reflection of where they are at; a number of very good players but a few ordinary enough journeymen too.

What of ourselves? MD has had quite a good debut year; the changes made for the Clare match after the LF showed a refreshing willingness to learn from mistakes and to set up a team better. Kudos for giving Tuohy and McInerney their places, players who have repaid that trust in spite of many misgivings from supporters. Still a few things to learn though, e.g. Coen's move from midfield yesterday was a glaring error. If Glynn returns from USA, (I have a hunch he will), he will add badly-needed ball-winning heft to the forwards - with the caveat that he sometimes can be a slightly-richer-man's Donnellan in terms of ball use. The other forwards showed yesterday that they can at last live without JC; Joe Cooney has had a better year at last, though still fumbles a bit. Conor Cooney's return has been encouraging, though needs to think and move a bit faster. Mannion, Whelan and Flynn have at various times showed 'third-season syndrome' this year and must push on. (I do feel the Mannions in particular need to be playing Senior club hurling to bring them on more.) Regretfully, the senior players in the squad do need to be pensioned off I think and a few more newer hurlers introduced to rejuvenate the squad. Div. 1B gives mgmt a chance next year to experiment even more, but I think a good league run and maybe league win is required to instill a winning mentality for 2017.

jkiamasnake

MfMan wrote: »

Maybe. But KK will have to wane sometime, I do think they're close to running on empty now, and the replacements just aren't as readily available now. Waterford will have some great players coming to the fore in the next few years, Gleeson, Pauric Mahony, De Burca, but they might need more. Men like Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran aren't getting younger and will need replacing sometime, and like KK, the replacements, especially for the forwards, mightn't be as close to hand as they would wish. Hard to know what to make of Clare; how could they be so good to win an AI in 2013 and fall off a cliff since? Maybe it is Davy that's restricting them. Based on this year's c'ship, Limerick, Cork and Wexford still have an amount of ground to cover to make up the gap.

The next few years *could* belong to Tipp with a lot of their forwards coming into their prime and the current Minor crop looking ominously good. (What happened our own Minors? How could they be so poor?) But I only say 'could' because Tipp historically don't monopolise titles unlike Cork or KK. (Maybe because everyone dislikes them and tries extra-hard to beat them?!) Also, not their fault, but I think they occasionally become hyped-up media-darlings, mainly on account of eyecatching wins in the Munster c'ship. (A bit like the Galway footballers sometimes.) I think yesterday was a truer reflection of where they are at; a number of very good players but a few ordinary enough journeymen too.

What of ourselves? MD has had quite a good debut year; the changes made for the Clare match after the LF showed a refreshing willingness to learn from mistakes and to set up a team better. Kudos for giving Tuohy and McInerney their places, players who have repaid that trust in spite of many misgivings from supporters. Still a few things to learn though, e.g. Coen's move from midfield yesterday was a glaring error. If Glynn returns from USA, (I have a hunch he will), he will add badly-needed ball-winning heft to the forwards - with the caveat that he sometimes can be a slightly-richer-man's Donnellan in terms of ball use. The other forwards showed yesterday that they can at last live without JC; Joe Cooney has had a better year at last, though still fumbles a bit. Conor Cooney's return has been encouraging, though needs to think and move a bit faster. Mannion, Whelan and Flynn have at various times showed 'third-season syndrome' this year and must push on. (I do feel the Mannions in particular need to be playing Senior club hurling to bring them on more.) Regretfully, the senior players in the squad do need to be pensioned off I think and a few more newer hurlers introduced to rejuvenate the squad. Div. 1B gives mgmt a chance next year to experiment even more, but I think a good league run and maybe league win is required to instill a winning mentality for 2017.

Id agree with alot of what you said but just the two parts that I have bolded:

Minors and u21s either need to be in Leinster or else revamp the whole competition to an open draw - personally id prefer the open draw. If the minors played again next week i can guarantee tipp would not win by that much again. Serves Galway no good having a quarter final as their first game - especially when that first game is the ulster champions (no offense meant to the ulster champions)

Yes Donoghue had a decent run in the championship but a cull in required and he needs to make his own stamp. The likes of Smith, Moore, Collins, Tannion and perhaps Donnellan have been great servants but unfortunately time waits for no man. I dont like criticising players as i understand the commitment required for a game thats not professional is huge but the decision to bring on Smith in particular was baffling - all he does he give away stupid frees in every match. I would hope for their own sake that they retire rather than are cut.

One last point - The performance of David Burke yesterday was a sight to behold - i think he is more important to the team that JC. He had a great year in 2012 but perhaps injuries and loss of confidence impacted him in 2013 and 2014 but in the last 2 years he has really come into his own. If Galway had won yesterday he def would have been on the shortlist for Player of the Year. Hopefully he gets the All Star he deserves instead.

MfMan

MfMan wrote: »

The next few years *could* belong to Tipp with a lot of their forwards coming into their prime and the current Minor crop looking ominously good. (What happened our own Minors? How could they be so poor?) But I only say 'could' because Tipp historically don't monopolise titles unlike Cork or KK.

Id take that minor result with a pinch of salt.

They engineered only two of their seven goals and even then the defence was absent.

We had 4 defenders in our half way into the second half which made things too easy.

I think minors can be read too much into when they win, and overlooked too much when they lose.

Tipp certainly aren't as good as they showed and we wont really know who gets what from these teams for two or three years.... Too many variables at hand(college, work, drink, lifestyle, other sports).

Also Galway weren't helped playing a B team in their only game so I'd always reserve judgement on our under age teams due to the ridicules nature of the championships.

Diabhal Beag

Turn on the minor for Evan Murphy alone. Great prospect.

wp_rathead

Argh so close to second goal

Diabhal Beag

Mulkerrin, Coneely and Finnerty have been great.

mjp

Evan Murphy a joy to watch. Very similar to diarmud connolly with his style and vision from no11 spot. Looks bit like him aswell. Some poor shooting and lost posessions from galway forwards n last ten mins there. Defending very well though.

Diabhal Beag

Great ball going into FF-line but slips and lack of concentration are costing us scores. Kickouts are a bit of an issue too.

wp_rathead

Argh another good goal opportunity gone begging - gotta hope don't regret these

Utopia Parkway

Galway must have blown about 4 great goal chances with far too casual final passes. Criminal. Keeping Donegal in the game.

Don't think Evan Murphy has been right since he got that belt in the first half. Doesn't seem to be moving well.

wp_rathead

Awh yes, great goal, all came from a super tackle in defence

Diabhal Beag

Could really have 3 or 4 goals if we didn't bottle the last pass but delighted for Conneely. Seems to be the heartbeat of this side from the limited games I've seen this year.

STB.

I'm think Ross Murphy has sealed the game.

Diabhal Beag

Nice to see two outstanding captain performances from Brian Molloy in the U-21's and Dessie Conneely this afternoon to lift the spirits a bit.

Redsoxfan

Well done to the Galway Minors, that was a very good performance, full value for the win and best of luck in the Final.

ki

The Minors today looked good at certain skills like beating there man and carrying ball but the hand passing was loopy and sloppy at times.

Good performance overall and could have won by more.

Does any one have a link to a team sheet for today?

T0001

Great pace from those Galway Minors and creating loads of goal chances. Maybe if they popped them over the bar they might be better served! High hopes for the final!

Well it certainly looks a more promising team than 2007.

Evan Murphy is very similar to Diarmuid Connolly and being able to kick frees off the ground is a big asset.

The defensive system was pretty top drawer for a minor team.
A few D4 senior teams would have struggled to score on that.

I was a bit surprised with the MOTM selection, he mishandled a lot of early ball with no return... Thought a few others were more consistent.
The free taking from him, Murphy and 13 was above average for this level though.

Diabhal Beag

I thought Conneely was excellent. Murphy died out of the game after his injury and Finnerty after an outstanding first half was a little quiet at times in the second. Dessie Conneely was the most consistent throughout imo and a little terrier when he was given decent ball in.

MfMan

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I thought Conneely was excellent. Murphy died out of the game after his injury and Finnerty after an outstanding first half was a little quiet at times in the second. Dessie Conneely was the most consistent throughout imo and a little terrier when he was given decent ball in.

No. 15 Goldrick very good on the ball too and took a great point; wing-backs excellent, at going forward anyway, while no. 3 Mulkerrin has looked outstanding every time I've seen him this year. Could make one of the great FBs if playing for Aran doesn't hinder his progress.

PressRun

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I thought Conneely was excellent. Murphy died out of the game after his injury and Finnerty after an outstanding first half was a little quiet at times in the second. Dessie Conneely was the most consistent throughout imo and a little terrier when he was given decent ball in.

I really like the Finnerty kid. Bags of potential there if he sticks with it.

seligehgit

PressRun wrote: »

I really like the Finnerty kid. Bags of potential there if he sticks with it.

Very impressive Galway minor team,it's a shame his auld fella Anthony " Larry" Finnerty could'nt have shuffled him back across the border.:)

aidan24326

seligehgit wrote: »

Very impressive Galway minor team,it's a shame his auld fella Anthony " Larry" Finnerty could'nt have shuffled him back across the border.:)

Has the same dodgy hairstyle as the dad aswell!

Overall I thought Galway were definitely the better team, looked to have more natural, skilful footballers but they made hard work of a game that they should have had wrapped up.

There was a serious amount of unforced errors and over-elaboration in attack, that won't do against a very good Kerry team in the final (they'll beat Kildare).

Nice to be back in a minor final though and if it is Galway v Kerry that will have the makings of a cracker as both teams are full of skilful players and both like to play football. Galway will need to cut out the handling errors though and keep it simple up front, stop trying to walk the ball into the goal when there's a handy point for the taking.