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Is there complete separation of church and state in rep of Ireland ?

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  • #92
    RichieC
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I see no correlation between one of the world's best entertainers and a religious organisation.

    I do however see a correlation between militant Atheism and nasty, crass posts.

    Pedrophiles.


  • #93
    partyatmygaff
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    RichieC wrote: »
    Pedrophiles.
    Neither Michael Jackson nor any true member of any Christian Church are pedophiles.


  • #94
    RichieC
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    lies, of course.


  • #95
    partyatmygaff
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    RichieC wrote: »
    lies, of course.
    Do you have any proof for either claim or are you merely talking populist rubbish? Methinks the latter.


  • #96
    RichieC
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    you're brainwashed, son.


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  • #97
    MungoMan
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    I think the topic has gone a bit off thread....it started off as a naive question from me about whether the church and state are completely separate in the republic.....and now it has moved on "whether Michael Jackson was a paedophile or not"

    Clearly, schools (and to a much lesser degree, hospitals) still have church involvement in the state....

    As one poster said, the state could pass a law make every school completely secular, and ensure religious instruction would happen outside normal school hours, and that it would be optional.

    How likely is this to happen ?
    When I read boards.ie, it's clear that about 90% or more of the people are completely athiest, everytime someone defends religion, about 10 people come in and shoot them down, using logic and reason.

    But are boards.ie members representative of the general population ?


  • #98
    partyatmygaff
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    RichieC wrote: »
    you're brainwashed, son.
    LOL

    How pathetic. Brainwashed by whom exactly considering I am not a Catholic?

    Surprising that you feel capable of calling billions of people and a world famous entertainer pedophiles yet cannot answer and choose to spout drivel instead when I ask you for proof.


  • #99
    gurramok
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    RichieC wrote: »
    you're brainwashed, son.

    I was brainwashed in a Catholic run primary school. At age 4 in my first year and subsequent years, we were made to learn off by heart the Hail Mary and Our Father prayers which were said before the day began and when the day ended. Something like a Madrassa would have been proud of in the equivalent Muslim faith.

    Also we were forced to go to confession and church regularly. This was in the 80's.

    Thankfully as I grew up, I threw off those shackles of mind control and I can think freely on my own now ;)


  • #100
    Pace2008
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Neither Michael Jackson nor any true member of any Christian Church are pedophiles.
    Nor any true Scotsmen, for that matter.


  • #101
    Morag
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    MungoMan wrote: »
    I think the topic has gone a bit off thread....it started off as a naive question from me about whether the church and state are completely separate in the republic.....and now it has moved on "whether Michael Jackson was a paedophile or not"

    Clearly, schools (and to a much lesser degree, hospitals) still have church involvement in the state....

    As one poster said, the state could pass a law make every school completely secular, and ensure religious instruction would happen outside normal school hours, and that it would be optional.

    There were schools which moved reglion class to the last subject of the day to allow for parents who's kids were not catholic to take them early but they were told to stop it by the Dept of education.
    MungoMan wrote: »
    How likely is this to happen ?
    When I read boards.ie, it's clear that about 90% or more of the people are completely athiest, everytime someone defends religion, about 10 people come in and shoot them down, using logic and reason.

    But are boards.ie members representative of the general population ?

    I am not an athiest, I think having a spiritual aspect to your life enriches it,
    but it should be a personal choice and if parents want their kids to become catholic then they should teach them and they should be taught at home and in church but not in school.


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  • #102
    KeithAFC
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    I don't think 90% of this forum is atheist at all. I'd say there is a lot of Agnostics.


  • #103
    Ghost Estate
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    gurramok wrote: »
    I was brainwashed in a Catholic run primary school. At age 4 in my first year and subsequent years, we were made to learn off by heart the Hail Mary and Our Father prayers which were said before the day began and when the day ended. Something like a Madrassa would have been proud of in the equivalent Muslim faith.

    Also we were forced to go to confession and church regularly. This was in the 80's.

    Thankfully as I grew up, I threw off those shackles of mind control and I can think freely on my own now ;)

    Poor you

    My heart goes out to you.

    You say it like they pulled the brain out of your head and threw it in the washing machine with an extra potent dose of Daz.


  • #104
    amovingstatue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭amovingstatue


    I remember about 3 years ago watching the Dáil sessions live steam for the first time, and being able to see right from the beginning when the ceann comhairle enters the chamber and everyone gets on their feet for the opening ritual - during which they bless themselves, the ceann comhairle says the prayer then they bless themselves again. Not everyone does it - you can probably imagine who's who in that regard.

    Not knowing much about these things, I was truly shocked to see it happen to be honest.


  • #105
    RichieC
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    LOL

    How pathetic. Brainwashed by whom exactly considering I am not a Catholic?

    Surprising that you feel capable of calling billions of people and a world famous entertainer pedophiles yet cannot answer and choose to spout drivel instead when I ask you for proof.

    *Picture of Iranian president*

    THERE ARE NO PEDOPHILES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!! AND MICHEAL JACKSON DID NOT FONDLE LITTLE BOYS!


  • #106
    gurramok
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    Ghost Estate wrote: »
    Poor you

    My heart goes out to you.

    You say it like they pulled the brain out of your head and threw it in the washing machine with an extra potent dose of Daz.

    It felt like that, all against my will.


  • #107
    Ghost Estate
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It felt like that, all against my will.

    all of school was against my will. but i'm not bitter about it now.


  • #108
    RichieC
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    Ghost Estate wrote: »
    all of school was against my will. but i'm not bitter about it now.

    Education is one thing, being thought to fear a monster living in the sky judging us is an entirely different thing.


  • #109
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Ghost Estate wrote: »
    Poor you

    My heart goes out to you.

    You say it like they pulled the brain out of your head and threw it in the washing machine with an extra potent dose of Daz.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056074758

    *cough*

    RichieC wrote: »
    *Picture of Iranian president*

    THERE ARE NO PEDOPHILES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!! AND MICHEAL JACKSON DID NOT FONDLE LITTLE BOYS!
    Wow. I truly have no words to describe that post.

    So I suppose this will have to suffice.


  • #110
    gurramok
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    Ghost Estate wrote: »
    all of school was against my will. but i'm not bitter about it now.

    Did you want to be thick when you grew up? Guess not, you wanted to get educated at school.

    If you were happy to be brainwashed by religion, that's your choice. I and countless others didn't have the choice. Roll on secular schools to have an even playing field, excuse the pun.


  • #111
    dilbert2
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    RichieC wrote: »
    Education is one thing, being thought to fear a monster living in the sky judging us is an entirely different thing.

    Indeed, education is always a valuable concept.

    Religious indoctrination often starts as soon as children are in their first years of school. It is to be honest a form of propaganda peddling by the Catholic church in attempting to ensure that there is another generation ready to embrace mass, keep priests in employment through the collection plate and fill up the pews every Sunday.

    I have nothing against anybody believing in god in their own personal time, but surely in a civilised and enlightened society we would not allow religious loons to indoctrinate our children starting as early as primary school, terrorising them with tales of the devil and the bogeyman, when they can't even comprehend the world independently on their own at such an early age of development.


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  • #112
    RichieC
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »

    So I suppose this will have to suffice.

    Funny you should post a facepalm, son.

    Your state of denial has me in a similar pose.


  • #113
    MagicMarker
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Neither Michael Jackson nor any true member of any Christian Church are pedophiles.

    lol

    If you include contraception users and any partakers in pre-marital sex then your numbers diminish rather quickly, but of course we'll ignore that.


  • #114
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    RichieC wrote: »
    Funny you should post a facepalm, son.

    Your state of denial has me in a similar pose.
    Denial of what? What the hell are you even talking about? You just keep posting on and on saying nothing of any value.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    lol
    Are all your posts either "lol" "facepalm" or ":rolleyes:" because every single time i've seen you make a post it's been just that.


  • #115
    RichieC
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Denial of what? What the hell are you even talking about? You just keep posting on and on saying nothing of any value.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson


    Happy reading, son.


  • #116
    dilbert2
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    nor any true member of any Christian Church are pedophiles.

    I think a pig just flew by my window there. :rolleyes:

    Ah I get it now, so when they turn to paedophilia "they are no longer one of us - or they couldn't possibly be one us". How convinent, although the sort of reasoning in this statement only seems to come up when such cases are made public - often by the same people (in the church) who did nothing to help such children in the first place. :rolleyes:


  • #117
    MagicMarker
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Are all your posts either "lol" "facepalm" or ":rolleyes:" because every single time i've seen you make a post it's been just that.
    You missed a bit.


  • #118
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    RichieC wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson


    Happy reading, son.

    *sigh*

    Re-read my original post

    "Neither Michael Jackson nor any true member of any Christian Church are pedophiles. "

    Scumbag pedophiles are not true members of any branch of Christianity that I know of. They are scum who abused their position of influence to carry out their crimes. They are not Christians as they do not adhere to even the very basic elements of their faith.

    As for the Michael Jackson case it's common knowledge that the accuser was a liar whose family had a history of extortion and lies. Had you even read the Wikipedia article you would have known that.


  • #119
    KeithAFC
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    For sorry for anyone of you who were abused by the priests and the Catholic church. I don't think you should trust them in anything they say.


  • #120
    RichieC
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    :pac:


    sure thing, bubba.
    A letter sent by the Vatican to Irish bishops in 1997 shows that they blocked attempts to report pedophile priests to the police. A new documentary reveals the contents of the letter and claims that, on two occasions, the Vatican intervened and stopped attempts made by Irish bishops to defrock pedophile priests.

    The letter was obtained by Ireland’s state broadcaster RTE and details the Vatican’s rejection of an initiative introduced in 1996 by Irish churches, which would see religious orders help police identify pedophile priests.


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  • #121
    partyatmygaff
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    I think a pig just flew by my window there. :rolleyes:

    Ah I get it now, so when they turn to paedophilia "they are no longer one of us - or they couldn't possibly be one us". How convinent, although the sort of reasoning in this statement only seems to come up when such cases are made public - often by the same people (in the church) who did nothing to help such children in the first place. :rolleyes:
    It's quite simple really. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ. A pedophile is not a follower of Jesus Christ regardless of what they may call themselves ergo they are not Christians.


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You missed a bit.
    You edited the post after I quoted your post.


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