Traffic Signs Manual 2010 - Published

Empire o de Sun

It's finally been published.

http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp?id=12971&lang=ENG&loc=2635

Had a quick look through it, some new stuff,

adoption of the international "no entry" sign

death of the impearial system, no more dual metric, imperial heights.

signs for cycleways

old national rountes that have become regional route are now signed with yellow bacground.

Bus stops will have a standard sign across the country

Traffic Lights, finally it allows for a red and amber arrow.


bad point, still have the parking sign in a red roundal,

L1011

If they're changing traffic light rules why oh why could they not introduce pre-green amber

Sponge Bob

Damned if they didn't completely ignore my suggested M4/M6 westbound demerge sign.

NFD100

What's the point of this? It will not be read by the local authorities never mind implemented.

Only in Ireland do they make it up as they go along. Signs half way down poles. Filthy dirty, hedges growing around them, pointing wrong way etc etc.....

Complete waste of time.

munchkin_utd

i agree that the mentality of doing stuff by the book in Ireland isnt part of our culture, and that the standards could well be ignored by your 60 year old council worker determined to do things his way.

But, unless there IS a book, then you cant follow it!!

By laying down the standards, you can point at a job being not to the book rather than currently that something doesnt look "right".

whyulittle

Are election posters allowed to be attached to traffic sign poles?

Alun

Empire o de Sun wrote: »

adoption of the international "no entry" sign

About bloody time too.

Nice to see the "correct" no entry sign being adopted at last!

Empire o de Sun

They didn't update the parking signs and clearway sign to the international standard.


I don't like the new Stop Ahead sign. W 040, not following international practice.

etchyed

NFD100 wrote: »

What's the point of this? It will not be read by the local authorities never mind implemented.

Only in Ireland do they make it up as they go along. Signs half way down poles. Filthy dirty, hedges growing around them, pointing wrong way etc etc.....

Complete waste of time.

Yes, everything's a mess, so let's not even bother trying. Marvellous attitude.

etchyed

Empire o de Sun wrote: »

They didn't update the parking signs and clearway sign to the international standard.

So frustrating and a missed opportunity. At one stage we had cycle lane signs and left turn only signs with red circles. They seem to have been ditched for a while now, as presumably somebody realised they mean "No cycling" and "No left turn" everywhere else in the world.

Now we have more progress with the introduction of the standard No Entry design (about the only new thing in this manual that doesn't already have examples of implementation before the actual publication), but still nobody's seen fit to address the issue of tourists scratching their heads and wondering why, according to the signs, there are precious few places where they can park their cars in Ireland.

I don't like the new Stop Ahead sign. W 040, not following international practice.

What is the international practice?

Empire o de Sun

etchyed wrote: »

What is the international practice?

This



or this

Empire o de Sun

Empire o de Sun wrote: »

They didn't update the parking signs and clearway sign to the international standard.

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I suppose it's a case of one change at a time to reduce the costs to the local authorities, they only need to replace the "no straight ahead" signs with "No Entry" ones this time.

Maybe in a couple of years they'll change the parking ones.

Empire o de Sun

Abril Ripe Self-confidence wrote: »

I suppose it's a case of one change at a time to reduce the costs to the local authorities, they only need to replace the "no straight ahead" signs with "No Entry" ones this time.

Maybe in a couple of years they'll change the parking ones.

Maybe it was down to cost, but to change some and not others?




Though in Kells or is it Navan they have the disabled symbol in a red circle. :rolleyes:


Found it

http://maps.google.ie/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.725221,-6.880049&spn=0.001888,0.005681&z=18&layer=c&cbll=53.725295,-6.880077&panoid=qpg2bd6fLiywt9qLcqMrqg&cbp=12,270.35,,0,5.93

Sulmac

I like the idea of a standardised bus stop sign. I presume (or "I'm hopeful") that this will allow more than one operator to use the same stop and give us something resembling an integrated public transport system?

spuddy

"Km/h" ...oops

Lower case "k" is correct, captial "K" is used for computer memory 1K = 1024 bytes.
But the picture has both.

Empire o de Sun

Not just the upper case "K" is wrong there, but in the same sign the "80" is not the correct font at all, compare it to the 80 km/h sign to the right.

icdg

The directional signage is of course the most changed (although we've seen most of the new signage since 2007) although there are a few surprises in there, like the new "Use For" sign. I am amazed that the "NO" signs have survived, the UK dropped them in the late 1980s and now that we have to have two of them (Irish langauge version which only cropped up sometime in the early 2000s) they make even less sense. The "Start of Motorway" sign should now be enough.

Its goodbye imperial system ending a transition that took thirty three years. (You can be there won't be a rush to paint out the feet and inches though).

icdg

icdg wrote: »

I am amazed that the "NO" signs have survived, the UK dropped them in the late 1980s and now that we have to have two of them (Irish langauge version which only cropped up sometime in the early 2000s) they make even less sense. The "Start of Motorway" sign should now be enough.

In most parts of the country, motorways are still a "new" thing, it may just be a case of erecting them on new motorways and not bother to replace them when they deteriorate in the future.

L1011

"Use For" basically had to be invented for the M4/M6 split it seems. Though the example sign is from somewhere way out west if it is real that might have a similarly odd junction layout.

I'm not even sure the one for the M4/M6 meets the standard...

icdg

MYOB wrote: »

"Use For" basically had to be invented for the M4/M6 split it seems. Though the example sign is from somewhere way out west if it is real that might have a similarly odd junction layout.

I'm not even sure the one for the M4/M6 meets the standard...

There wasn't one there last time I checked. But last time I travelled the full lenght of the M4/M6, Kilcock-Kinnegad was still signed to TSM 1996's standards aside from the gantry at J11 which had been replaced when Kinnegad-Kilbeggan was redesignated. The sequence of signs approaching J11 at that time was map (no mini-map as J10 and J11 are right on top of each other), gantry, and butterfly. Most other junctions had the TSM 1996 sequence of mini-map, map, and flag instead of the TSM 2010 sequence of Next Exit, 2xmap, and Exit flag.

The trivia fact here is that M4 Kilcock-Kinnegad was the very last motorway opened to use the 1996 TSM standards and actually opened after the M50 South Eastern Motorway which introduced the infamous and short lived dodgey gantries which thankfully never made it into the TSM.

As an attempt to get back on topic, many of the "example" signs are in fact real examples, so I wouldn't be surprised if this one was real too.

Empire o de Sun

The question is, was any gantry done properly to the 1996 TSM? Which would have looked the same as the UK gantry.

munchkin_utd

am I missing something, or can someone tell me the point of the "Use NXX For" Signs?

surely if a road leads somewhere, then a directional sign to these places (maybe with the town names in brackets or whatever, for major destinations offline from Nxx) should suffice?

L1011

icdg wrote: »

There wasn't one there last time I checked. But last time I travelled the full lenght of the M4/M6, Kilcock-Kinnegad was still signed to TSM 1996's standards aside from the gantry at J11 which had been replaced when Kinnegad-Kilbeggan was redesignated. The sequence of signs approaching J11 at that time was map (no mini-map as J10 and J11 are right on top of each other), gantry, and butterfly. Most other junctions had the TSM 1996 sequence of mini-map, map, and flag instead of the TSM 2010 sequence of Next Exit, 2xmap, and Exit flag.

The trivia fact here is that M4 Kilcock-Kinnegad was the very last motorway opened to use the 1996 TSM standards and actually opened after the M50 South Eastern Motorway which introduced the infamous and short lived dodgey gantries which thankfully never made it into the TSM.

As an attempt to get back on topic, many of the "example" signs are in fact real examples, so I wouldn't be surprised if this one was real too.

Leixlip to Kinnegad was completely resigned over Christmas and there is a "use for" sign to warn people not to use J10. As well as TSM2010 gantries, cantilevers, next exit, mini map, map and so on.

The most notable improvement is at the diverge.

csd

MYOB wrote: »

"Use For" basically had to be invented for the M4/M6 split it seems. Though the example sign is from somewhere way out west if it is real that might have a similarly odd junction layout.

I'm not even sure the one for the M4/M6 meets the standard...

There has been a "Use for" sign for quite some time at the southern end of the N8 (and latterly M8 I presume) directing people to the various attractions off the N25 eastbound.

munchkin_utd wrote:

am I missing something, or can someone tell me the point of the "Use NXX For" Signs?

The main reason I think is probably clutter. If you included every destination on the main direction sign it would be horribly cluttered and impossible to read.

/csd

SeanW

icdg wrote: »

I am amazed that the "NO" signs have survived, the UK dropped them in the late 1980s and now that we have to have two of them (Irish langauge version which only cropped up sometime in the early 2000s) they make even less sense. The "Start of Motorway" sign should now be enough.

Call me a sucker for the dramatic, but I like those "Motorway Ahead" signs. I like the motorways, as it means I can put the boot down. The Motorway Ahead signs give the motorways impending start a fitting flair, a certain panache.

Although the amount of people "new" to motorways is probably lower today, as is the amount of restricted traffic, the signs still give good warning to that traffic to get off the N road before it becomes M. In short, it doesn't hurt. Also where the motorway start coincides with the start of a toll section, as the M4 Eastbound used to do before the McNeads bridge DC in Westmeath was reclassified, it would help people of limited means avoid said toll.

Abril Ripe Self-confidence wrote: »

In most parts of the country, motorways are still a "new" thing, it may just be a case of erecting them on new motorways and not bother to replace them when they deteriorate in the future.

I sure hope not

Additionally, I agree with the above poster who said they should have put "starting amber" into the traffic light sequence. It would help because obviously most of us drive manual transmission cars.

TDF

Forgive me for my stupid question but does this mean the current no entry signs will be replaced with the international ones? And if so when will they begin?

TDF

TDF wrote: »

Forgive me for my stupid question but does this mean the current no entry signs will be replaced with the international ones? And if so when will they begin?

It can't happen soon enough! IMHO

Next time the LA decide to read it I suppose.

TDF

So it could take a year or more?

L1011

TDF wrote: »

So it could take a year or more?

Try 20 years or more.