Kubica injured after crashing out of rally

frostie500

Kubica crashed during a rally in the Ronde di Andora Rally and has been flown to a local hospital. No official announcement has been made but according to local reports he has suffered "suffered fractures and other injuries."

amacachi

Christ. Was going to stick a few quid on him for the title but I won't be doing so now. Hope he's back for the start of the season.

reiger

Another report i have says it happenen on a Road section between stages http://thef1times.com/news/display/02616

but i belive talk from rally sourses confirm frostie500's story is spot on

hope all is ok and a speedy recovery,maybe reports are worse than actually things are

amacachi

Well he's conscious supposedly so unless they're some extreme broken bones he should be back for the season.

frostie500

amacachi wrote: »

Well he's conscious supposedly so unless they're some extreme broken bones he should be back for the season.

The new season starts in five weeks today so if its a broken leg he could be touch and go for Bahrain but he would, in all likelihood be fit enough for Melbourne. If its a broken arm it could be a different story because of a past fracture.

It's all up in the air at the minute anyway so best to wait until Renault release their statement before looking at how much time he'll miss

Ghost Train

bad news for Renault and Kubica after strong test, hope it's nothing too serious.

When they say "serious accident" its worrying. Eurosport say he hit a wall

frostie500

Renault released their first statement on the accident. It doesnt go into any detail on Kubica's injuries but I'll update this page when they release their next statement

Ghost Train

planet f1 mentions more details but mightn't be accurate

Robert Kubica has been seriously injured in a rallying accident.

Preliminary reports claim that the Renault driver has suffered 'several fractures' after overturning his Skoda Fabia when he left the road at high speed and crashed into a wall of a church on the opening stage.

His co-driver, Jacub Gerber, emerged from the wreck unhurt but Kubica had to be helped from the car.

The Pole, who was taking part in the Super2000 category of the Rally Ronde di Andora, was then flown to the Santa Corona hospital in Pietra Ligure.

Initial reports suggest he has 'several fractures but not life threatening' and has broken one, if not both, of his wrists.

More to follow...

and from bbc

Formula 1 star Robert Kubica has suffered fractures to his left arm and left leg after a high-speed rally crash in Italy, BBC Sport understands.

The 26-year-old Pole crashed into a church wall and was air-lifted to a hospital near Genoa.

A spokeswoman for his British-based Renault team told Reuters the driver was conscious and a statement would be issued shortly.

It looks unlikely he will be ready for the new season, starting on 13 March.

Frank Bullitt

The fractures seem to be the true story it seems, hope its not too serious. Can see this being his last rally anyway.

Im Only 71Kg

crazy news..what was he doing rallying anyway? ferrari wont even let their drivers go skiing!

Cool_CM

Gintonious wrote: »

The fractures seem to be the true story it seems, hope its not too serious. Can see this being his last rally anyway.

German media are reporting that his hand may need to be amputated, hope this isn't the case.

amacachi

Cool_CM wrote: »

German media are reporting that his hand may need to be amputated, hope this isn't the case.

That would be pretty ****.

frostie500

Cool_CM wrote: »

German media are reporting that his hand may need to be amputated, hope this isn't the case.

Considering the lack of information on Robert's condition I think it very irresponsible for any leading media outlet to be releasing stories like that. In this era of instant news it seems that everyone wants to be able to say "we got there first with this story" and as a result there is sensational reporting that can easily be deleted when Robert's condition is confirmed. Until that point I don't see why anyone should report on what is the ultimate worst case scenario

frostie500

An Italian paper just released the first pictures of Kubica's car:

amacachi

frostie500 wrote: »

Considering the lack of information on Robert's condition I think it very irresponsible for any leading media outlet to be releasing stories like that. In this era of instant news it seems that everyone wants to be able to say "we got there first with this story" and as a result there is sensational reporting that can easily be deleted when Robert's condition is confirmed. Until that point I don't see why anyone should report on what is the ultimate worst case scenario

Could be a case of them getting the story first. Hopefully you're right though and they're just being dicks. We don't live in an age of "instant news" yet, there'll always be certain people who can get news before anyone else.

sockpuppets

hope this isnt true as ye say

http://www.thenews.pl/sport/artykul148796_kubica-f1-career-threatened-after-serious-rally-crash.html

Ghost Train

there are photos of him intubated so really does look pretty bad but speculating about how bad injuries could be is pretty bad from some media, might be an update at 1pm

sockpuppets

press conferance at 1pm from the hospital

amacachi

Anywhere confirmed as showing the press conference? If Sky Sports News don't I'll be disappointed. I know they try to ignore sports they're not allowed to show but this is a big story.

frostie500

amacachi wrote: »

Could be a case of them getting the story first. Hopefully you're right though and they're just being dicks. We don't live in an age of "instant news" yet, there'll always be certain people who can get news before anyone else.

The main reason I was negative about the RTL story was that I saw it about an hour and a half ago, at a time when there was little to no information, so it struck me as them taking a stab in the dark and looking to get quick hits on their site. I'd be surprised if they knew the seriousness of Kubica's condition somewhere in the region of two hours before anyone else.

amacachi

frostie500 wrote: »

The main reason I was negative about the RTL story was that I saw it about an hour and a half ago, at a time when there was little to no information, so it struck me as them taking a stab in the dark and looking to get quick hits on their site. I'd be surprised if they knew the seriousness of Kubica's condition somewhere in the region of two hours before anyone else.

True, though you never know. Would there have been much of a media presence at the rally? If they were one of the few there who got the story then it could be true.

If it's inaccurate though it's very bad form. Even if it's accurate the fact that others aren't really reporting it would imply that they won't confirm the story to other news outlets so either way they're being dicks.

losthorizon

I really hope hes OK. Hes already survived one huge shunt in Canada but why did Renault allow him to go rallying. Madness. Havent they not learned from Red Bull and Mark Webbers troubles?

frostie500

The press conference has been put back until 3 because Kubica is still in surgery.

Ghost Train

losthorizon wrote: »

I really hope hes OK. Hes already survived one huge shunt in Canada but why did Renault allow him to go rallying. Madness. Havent they not learned from Red Bull and Mark Webbers troubles?

Presumably it covered in contracts what he can and can't do. Could have been something he needed to be allowed do when agreeing to join the team. Or maybe they just didn't see it as risk.

Frank Bullitt

Its all speculation at the minute anyway, I'd say it will be the evening before we get anything concrete about his condition.

Grim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78smQo6ZRk8

danh789

Not looking good...

http://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/status/34236244309446656#

Ghost Train

danh789 wrote: »

Not looking good...

http://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/status/34236244309446656#

Well basically nothing has been said by hospital, so it's a bit of a silly statement saying certain things haven't been discounted

here are some photos of him stabilised and going to hospital, nothing bad but not the nicest thing to look at
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/formula1/photogallery/3931/kubica-le-immagini-dellincidente.shtml

amacachi

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Jesus I hope its not as bad as we think. Its never good to hear of drivers being injured.

Well I think it's pretty much confirmed there's a few fractures so it looks like he may as well get ready to write off yet another season in the best case scenario.

amacachi

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Then that means that Senna will get a drive after all. Which isnt great as he isnt a patch on Kubica.

Be nice to see Senna get a decent drive though. Pity for Kubica, did great in 2008, BMW messed up for 2009 then he spent last year building for this year and now this year may be written off as well.

Ghost Train

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Then that means that Senna will get a drive after all. Which isnt great as he isnt a patch on Kubica.

Heidfield might be another option, if they want somebody experienced

lolie

who'd have thought a few months ago of senna driving in a lotus renualt with the jps livery in 2011, i'd say its unlikely to happen but. hulkenburg or heidfield are the most likely to get the seat

amacachi

Anyone got the press conference on the go?

leeroybrown

Im Only 71Kg wrote: »

crazy news..what was he doing rallying anyway? ferrari wont even let their drivers go skiing!

In fairness, skiing is one of the more dangerous things you can do. Tens of thousands of people get injured on the slopes every year. Motorsport IS dangerous but with modern safety standards the drivers generally climb out of the car after most accidents.

Hopefully Kubica can be back to full fitness and back in his car before too long.

amacachi

amacachi wrote: »

Anyone got the press conference on the go?

Have you? What is the word from it?

amacachi

Moonbaby wrote: »

Have you? What is the word from it?

Didn't find it but twitter leads me to believe that Renault have confirmed he has multiple fractures.

lord lucan

This seems to be the latest i can find citing Renault officials.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06022011/23/updae-robert-kubica-condition.html

Edit: From the teams site:http://www.lotusrenaultgp.com/spip.php?article3967

lolie

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/06/renault-statement-on-kubicas-condition/

mickdw

If the barrier came in through the car as is being reported, He is a lucky man if he got away with all limbs attached.

Sky news reporting that he was on his way to a rally stage, not actually in the rally. id be very surprised if that is true

losthorizon

mickdw wrote: »

If the barrier came in through the car as is being reported, He is a lucky man if he got away with all limbs attached.

Sky news reporting that he was on his way to a rally stage, not actually in the rally. id be very surprised if that is true

He was 4.6km into the stage. The good news is that his arm wont be amputed but hes got multple fractures. Doctors were concentrating on getting blood supply to his his arm. He was trapped in the car for over an hour. I hope we see him in F1 again.

mickdw

losthorizon wrote: »

He was 4.6km into the stage. The good news is that his arm wont be amputed but hes got multple fractures. Doctors were concentrating on getting blood supply to his his arm. He was trapped in the car for over an hour. I hope we see him in F1 again.

Scandalous reporting from sky news so. To have a high speed crash on the way to a stage would suggest irresponsible behaviour. Glad its not true.

Frank Bullitt

All the messages to Kubica from drivers around the world is fantastic, hope he can recover well, only 26 so a long way to go in his career.

losthorizon

Kubica will be out of surgery soon and an update will follow in a few hours time according to noblef1 on twitter (autosport journalist)

wobbles

Apparently the barrier cut through the engine bay and chassis and entered the cockpit. Doubt he will be back before the end of the season (if at all)

You can see right through the engine bay in this picture

shamwari

This is dreadful news and I hope Robert makes a speedy and successful recovery. Robert is one of the few "racers" in F1 and I for one have no doubt that if he were in a competitive car, he would be world champion. A popular and deserved one at that too.

What worries me though is how severe the injuries are. Autosport said

After being transferred to the Santa Corona Hospital in Pietra Ligure, Kubica underwent surgery on Sunday afternoon for the injuries he suffered - with doctors believed to be focusing their efforts on his injured hand and, in particular, its blood supply.

An update from the hospital in the afternoon said that the operation on Kubica would continue until Sunday evening. And although amputation of the hand had been ruled out, it was too early to give a prognosis on how well the hand would recover from the injuries it suffered.

I hope the prognosis is far better than the implication in this report.

Dorsanty

wobbles wrote: »

Apparently the barrier cut through the engine bay and chassis and entered the cockpit. Doubt he will be back before the end of the season (if at all)

You can see right through the engine bay in this picture

I was being very positive about the whole thing 'ah sure he'll be okay' but that photo is shocking. What kind of barrier is doing this and why is it used?

My thoughts are with him, I always knew he had potential if in the right car (see. Mark Webber for example of being in the right car).

Hope everything heals and he gets racing again soon!

lolie

wobbles wrote: »

Apparently the barrier cut through the engine bay and chassis and entered the cockpit. Doubt he will be back before the end of the season (if at all)

You can see right through the engine bay in this picture

fcuk lad hes lucky to be still alive after that, hope his hand makes a full recovery

Ghost Train

latest stuff on twitter says hand surgery finished,

Kubica to remain in intensive care unit for at least five days. Specialist says that rehabilitation could take at least a year.

Robert limbs are good, but rehabilitation will take at least year says prof. Rossello who performed surgery

TVN24: hand surgery is over, now started second on Kubica's arm

Min

Please God he will make a full recovery.
I don't think it even made the 9 o'clock news :mad:

amacachi

Wonder if it was mentioned on Sky Sports News, it wasn't earlier.

G-Money

amacachi wrote: »

Wonder if it was mentioned on Sky Sports News, it wasn't earlier.

Unlikely. Sky don't seem to talk about any sports other than Premier League football and cricket.