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9/11 and Climategate to be discussed on Late Late Show

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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    joebucks wrote: »
    Who was the American fella aksin the questions?
    I found him on twitter
    http://twitter.com/harrybrowne

    And check out who he is following...........boards.ie :pac: hmmmmmmmmm...
    joebucks wrote: »
    What the deal with Monckton, he's a Knight of Malta, haven't they been accused of being involved in all sorts of conspiracies themselves??

    I don't know much about climate change but Moncton looks dodgy to me and it's not just his massive eyeballs and his Gerard Houllier motionless face either.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Dave! wrote: »
    Answer to your question: No exposing hate carried out by Jews is not anti-semitic

    Calling Jews 'Christ Killers' is indeed religion-inspired anti-semitism

    I don't think it's reaching myself, it was the first post I looked at actually. Having browsed through the rest of the site, it's littered with more anti-semitic crap, but it's veiled a bit better than that.

    ok then we are agreed on all points then. Nothing to argue about so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    I found him on twitter
    http://twitter.com/harrybrowne

    And check out who he is following...........boards.ie :pac: hmmmmmmmmm...

    Ha..That was quick! Seems like a decent chap! The whole thing was a fiasco..
    I don't know much about climate change but Moncton looks dodgy to me and it's not just his massive eyeballs and his Gerard Houllier motionless face either.

    Yeah he has come out with some real corkers in his time..If he is the best that can be produced in the case against climate change, then that really sums it up..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    I found him on twitter
    http://twitter.com/harrybrowne

    It's funny that Harry was on the late late questioning Jim Corr about the possibility of a shadow government in the US, looking at some of his tweets I came across this

    http://www.njstatelib.org/digit/Jerseyana/J329j66.pdf

    It is a document about Enoch Johnson who the character Nucky Thompson in the show Boardwalk Empire is based on. For those that are not familiar with the show, one of the central themes in the show is the corruption within politics and the control exerted behind the scenes by hidden players. Great show- well worth a watch..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    joebucks wrote: »
    Ha..That was quick! Seems like a decent chap! The whole thing was a fiasco..

    Yea, did you notice him shaking as he was jibber jabbering, typical RTE crap recession plant, best they could afford.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Twas a bit odd, Jim seemed to be under the impression that he was invited on to talk about the econimic Situation, then that FOOL tubridy started leading the questions on tyo sept11 and seemed to be very reluctant to let Jim Discuss the thing he had prepared for.

    is there a second half with Monkton???


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ok then we are agreed on all points then. Nothing to argue about so.

    Yep - the guy in the audience was right to call Jim Corr on the tired 'blame the Jews' narrative that is such a constant in the CT world. Jim links to patently anti-Semitic sites, is quite happy to ascribe blame for 9/11 on Mossad, and highlights who in relation to bondholders? That's right - the Rothschilds, Goldman, Sachs. No-one called Jim Corr an anti-Semite, just a perpetuator of the usual anti-Jewish CT memes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Don't you consider the term "denier" to have holocaust denier connotations?

    I do. And it trivialises the holocaust to make the connection between climate change skepticism and holocaust denial.

    Yourself and Monckton seem to be the only two.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Can people stick to the topic and stop trying to one up each other?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Personally, I think the whole thing was a joke. As Mahatma Coat says, it seems Corr came on to talk about the government and the financial situation, but the Late Late Show just wanted someone that people can laugh and talk about the next day, so they stuck with the time honoured tradition of baiting. As with everything to do with the LLs, it was a sham.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    How was he baited?

    Sure he was shafted on time to propagate his economic conspiracy theories, but otherwise I don't see any 'baiting'. All his pet theories are as vulnerable to ridicule as each other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    I thought Tubridy was extremely rude to Jim Corr. I hated Tubridy before but I hate the mean even more after watching that.

    I would have liked to have heard Corr speak more on the economic crisis as he was talking more sense than any of the gombeen fianna failers and fianna gailers that Tubridy usually sucks up to on the Late Late.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    It was a certainly a sham alright although that's unsurprising since Tubridy is indeed a dick but I did have to laugh at the point the American dude made..
    "I mean you're suggesting essentially that people in the American government brought down the WTC and the Pentagon, essentially left little enough evidence that only a few of your friends have been able to find out what really happened but meanwhile they couldn't plant a few weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify their invasion of that country."

    Does that not make anyone think about this entire hypothesis even the slightest bit?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    alastair wrote: »
    Yep - the guy in the audience was right to call Jim Corr on the tired 'blame the Jews' narrative that is such a constant in the CT world.

    Jim actually blamed the "anglo-American elite".

    With the operation carried out perhaps by the CIA and Mossad.

    Quite clearly he is not blaming the Jews by a stretch. But why let facts get in the way eh?

    Where is the anti-British and anti-American claims? But no, he mentioned an intelligence agency known the world over for deception. It's even in their motto "by way of deception thou shalt do war". Irish passports, remember? Somehow "skeptical" folk like Barry from TV and yourself conflate Mossad with all Jews worldwide. Total nonsense tbh.
    alastair wrote: »
    Jim links to patently anti-Semitic sites,
    How do you know? I don't. Are you a regular on his site?
    alastair wrote: »
    is quite happy to ascribe blame for 9/11 on Mossad,

    So? Your quite happy to balme 911 on Arabs, Does that make you a racist?
    alastair wrote: »
    and highlights who in relation to bondholders? That's right - the Rothschilds, Goldman, Sachs.

    :D:D

    Maybe, just maybe it's because they were both Anglo bondholders and government advisors on the bailout?

    :D:D

    Your Jim Corr is an anti-semite conspiracy theory doesn't stand up to much. Does it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭GerardB


    have to agree with Corr being set up- he came in to talk about the economy and Ryan made him talk about his 9/11 ideas.

    reminded me of this video:
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2648-Conspiracy-Weary


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Tubridy was to blame for a lot of this. Jim wanted to talk about the Financial side of conspiracies and all we got was 9/11 talk and climate change. All the guests came off badly. The tool in the audience, the old guy who looks like he hasn't slept in a year and Jim from the band my mom likes. They spent ages asking for comments about the word "denier" alluding to Holocaust deniers, which kinda confirmed the show was for each guest to try and one-up each other.

    I'll never forget when Kenny had the leader of the Raelian cult on. He gave him time and the chance to give his opinions and respond to audience questions. Dave McSavage's posh cousin would never do such a thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Well said Bomber, every American citizen is not in the cia, not every Jew is a mossad agent, not every Irish person is a member of the special branch or the IRA, not every British citizen is an MI5/MI6 agent, but some are.
    And by signalling out any of these organisations I can't comprehend how some will call you anti whatever, not every cia agent is an american, not every mossad agent are israeli or jewish.

    People should find out exactly what a semite is before calling anybody anti semitic.
    Semitic peoples and their languages, in both modern and ancient historic times, have covered a broad area bridging Africa, Western Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. The earliest historic (written) evidences of them are found in the Fertile Crescent, an area encompassing the Akkadian, Babylonian and Assyrian civilizations along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (modern Iraq), extending northwest into southern Asia Minor (modern Turkey) and the Levant (modern Syria and Lebanon along the eastern Mediterranean. Early traces of Semitic speakers are found, too, in South Arabian inscriptions in Yemen, Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and after this in Carthage (modern Tunisia) and later still, in Roman times, in Nabataean inscriptions from Petra (modern Jordan) south into Arabia.

    In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents).

    In contrast, some recent genetic studies found that analysis of the DNA of Semitic-speaking peoples suggests that they have some common ancestry. Though no significant common mitochondrial results have been yielded, Y-chromosomal links between Semitic-speaking Near-Eastern peoples like Arabs, Hebrews and Assyrians have proved fruitful, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron). The studies attribute this correlation to a common Near Eastern origin, since Semitic-speaking Near Easterners from the Fertile Crescent (including Jews) were found to be more closely related to non-Semitic speaking Near Easterners (such as Iranians, Anatolians, and Caucasians) than to other Semitic-speakers (such as Gulf Arabs, Ethiopian Semites, and North African Arabs).

    800px-Afroasiatic-en.svg.png

    So I find it very hard to accept that speaking out against a group of
    zionist's who are NOT semitic, who murder and starve and generally destroy every aspect of normal existance of a semitic people can be called anti semitic.
    Is it not pro semitic to denounce Israel's (mostly non semitic people) ongoing attrocities against a semitic people?

    Jim Corr's site may (I don't know) have links to anti zionist sites, but so what?, these zionists who myself, Jim, Bomber, Mahatma and a few others oppose are the filth of the earth, they are murdering scum and by all means available should be shown to be just that.
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    Guess where I got that little image?,

    http://www.nkusa.org/

    These Guys......

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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    uprising2 wrote: »
    http://www.nkusa.org/

    These Guys......

    It's not just Neuterei Karta that are Jewish (a people) , Pro Jewish and anti-Zionist (racist political ideology .Jews overall are the most outspoken critics of Zionism and apartheid Israel.
    1. Naom Chomsky http://www.chomsky.info/
    2. Norman Finkelstein: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
    3. Ilan Pappe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Papp%C3%A9
    4. Israel Shahak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak
    5. Michel Warschawski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Warschawski
    6. Ahad Ha'am: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahad_Ha%27am
    7. Martin Buber: http://courses.washington.edu/spcmu/buber/
    8. Yeshayahu Leibowitz: http://www.wix.com/giorab/leibowitz
    9. Simcha Flapin: http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Post_Zionist.htm
    10. Gideon Levy: http://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/gideon-levy-1.402
    11. Uri Avnery: http://www.avnery-news.co.il/english/index.html
    12. Philip Weiss: http://mondoweiss.net/
    13. Richard Silverstein: http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/richardsilverstein
    14. Max Blumethal: http://maxblumenthal.com/
    15. Judge Richard Goldstone:http://www.un.org/News/dh/iraq/richard_goldstone.htm
    16. Richard Falk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Falk
    17. Holocaust Survivor Hedy Epstein: http://vivapalestina-my.org/articles/626-holocaust-survivor-hedy-epstein-speaks-out-against-zionist-crimes-in-palestine

    And groups


    1. Headed by a Holocaust survivor Dr Hajo Meyer the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network: http://www.ijsn.net/513/
    2. Breaking the Silence: http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp
    3. Women Against the Occupation: http://nonprofitnet.ca/wao/wao.php?browse&5
    4. Israeli Physicians for Human Rights: http://www.phr.org.il/default.asp?PageID=4
    5. The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions: http://www.icahd.org/
    The above lists are by no means exhaustive but it should make it clear that anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism.

    Religion and race has nothing to do with apartheid and human rights. It should not be used as a shield.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Religion and race has nothing to do with apartheid and human rights. It should not be used as a shield.
    Extremely true. The problem however is that quite often comments are made which are not specific to the anti-Zionist group and the suspicion is levied on certain groups simply because they're Jewish. Hell, they don't even have to be Jews to be singled out, it's just that they're more prevalent in the context of CTs. And while I do agree that some of the people uprising mentioned are usually quite specific as to whom they direct their criticism, there have been some quite sickening examples which were, let's just say not so specific in this regard. Once these comments are made they will quite clearly colour people's opinion of anything said people have to say and as such, it's a lot harder to look at what they say objectively.

    As for getting picky regarding the etymology of the term anti-Semitism, it's widely regarded in modern times that being "anti-Semitic" is displaying a a prejudice of jews.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    gizmo wrote: »

    As for getting picky regarding the etymology of the term anti-Semitism, it's widely regarded in modern times that being "anti-Semitic" is displaying a a prejudice of jews.

    It's a stupid and over-used label in 'modern times', considering such a degree of secularism is prevalent in the modern world. It has nothing to do with prejudice towards Jews, and everything to do with demeaning any argument raised against anyone who happens to be Jewish.. just because they are Jewish.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    It's a stupid and over-used label in 'modern times', considering such a degree of secularism is prevalent in the modern world. It has nothing to do with prejudice towards Jews, and everything to do with demeaning any argument raised against anyone who happens to be Jewish.. just because they are Jewish.
    I don't deny for a second that it's over-used, my point is when it is used in the "correct" manner, it's being done so out of the current meaning of the term. As for the last part, if the argument is against someone simply because they're Jewish then that is being anti-Semitic surely?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    gizmo wrote: »
    I don't deny for a second that it's over-used, my point is when it is used in the "correct" manner, it's being done so out of the current meaning of the term. As for the last part, if the argument is against someone simply because they're Jewish then that is being anti-Semitic surely?

    I'm sure it is used correctly in some instances, and that some CTers are fixated on issues which include Jewish interests. Browne threw it out there last night in a totally unnecessary way.. Corr was already down and he used it as a swan-song to incite reaction. It happens on this site too, invariably when someone speaks negatively of Mossad there'll be cries of anti-Semitism.. or anything to do with Rothschild etc. If anything it's mostly a form of positive discrimination these days


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    I'm sure it is used correctly in some instances, and that some CTers are fixated on issues which include Jewish interests. Browne threw it out there last night in a totally unnecessary way.. Corr was already down and he used it as a swan-song to incite reaction. It happens on this site too, invariably when someone speaks negatively of Mossad there'll be cries of anti-Semitism.. or anything to do with Rothschild etc. If anything it's mostly a form of positive discrimination these days
    All quite true, as I was saying though, when people do use it, they're using it in its modern form. It also works the other way too though, i.e. hiding behind an Anti-Zionist front when you're actually being Anti-Semitic. It's just easy to make the distinction which is why it's sometimes hard to see why people get so worked up when the term is thrown at them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    So it's purely coincidence that the common thread between Mossad, Jewish banking firms, the oft mooted 'one world government', and the scapegoats of various cesspit sites that Jim links to is Jews? Sure the US and UK garner all sorts of blame as well, but not to the irrational degree that the cabal Jews manage. Mel Gibson would be right at home in this world.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    And spare me the pedantry regarding anti-semitism. We all know the common understanding of the term, just as we know that not all Jews are semites.

    I'm curious about these Mossad agents that are neither Jewish or Israelis though. That's a new one on me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    I thought it was hilarious how the American guy tried to get away from debating his actual points and tried to turn it into some sort of race row with Jim Corr. At that moment, i knew Jim had won the argument.

    And looking at the AH thread on the show, it was funny seeing so many people saying he is a nut for everything he said. I don't agree with him on 9/11 but the American didn't exactly make a great counter argument.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    You're choosing to ignore the points he made about mainstream science debunking all the claims made by Corr then?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    alastair wrote: »
    And spare me the pedantry regarding anti-semitism. We all know the common understanding of the term, just as we know that not all Jews are semites.
    Anti-semite sounds a whole lot worse than anti-Russian immigrant living illegaly on stolen land.
    alastair wrote: »
    I'm curious about these Mossad agents that are neither Jewish or Israelis though. That's a new one on me.

    Ali Al Jarrah http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/world/middleeast/19lebanon.html?_r=3&hp
    Lebanese in Shock Over Arrest of an Accused Spy




    MARAJ, Lebanon — For 25 years, Ali al-Jarrah managed to live on both sides of the bitterest divide running through this region. To friends and neighbors, he was an earnest supporter of the Palestinian cause, an affable, white-haired family man who worked as an administrator at a nearby school.
    Skip to next paragraph 19spy-190.jpg Ali al-Jarrah



    To Israel, he appears to have been a valued spy, sending reports and taking clandestine photographs of Palestinian groups and Hezbollah since 1983.

    This Mossad spy was the cousin of 9/11 hijacker Ziad Al Jarrah. Small world innit?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    alastair wrote: »
    And spare me the pedantry regarding anti-semitism. We all know the common understanding of the term, just as we know that not all Jews are semites.

    I'm curious about these Mossad agents that are neither Jewish or Israelis though. That's a new one on me.

    Traitors, understand now?, just in it for the money.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Traitors, understand now?, just in it for the money.

    They're not Mossad agents then are they? - they're informers working with Mossad (like Ali al-Jarrah).


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