9/11 and Climategate to be discussed on Late Late Show

uprising2

As the title says, just heard Brian mention whats in store after the 9News on the late late show.

Up for discussion (by whom I don't know), are conspiracy theories, 9/11 and climate change.

To be honest I can see it being a farce, but you never know, anybody interested and if you can bring yourself to watch it, it "Could" be interesting and worth a look.

My name is URL

Looks like it's gonna be Corr and Christopher Monckton being interviewed. I doubt the two of 'em will do any good for what they're discussing tonight tbh!

squod

Not watching that skinny pox.

namloc1980

What a complete farce that was!

CiaranMT

Lord Monckton connecting climate denier with Holocaust denier.. Woweewow.

My name is URL

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sligopark

CiaranMT wrote: »

Lord Monckton connecting climate denier with Holocaust denier.. Woweewow.

sorry I missed the punch line - please inform me - he was pissed off being comapred to a holocaust denier when the holocaust is undeniable.

namloc1980

sligopark wrote: »

sorry I missed the punch line - please inform me - he was pissed off being comapred to a holocaust denier when the holocaust is undeniable.

But he was the one who mentioned the Holocaust. He went way over the top to be honest.

Dave!

Hilarity

My name is URL

T'was all a bit leading on Tubridys part. He's the one that brought up the 9/11 discussion.. I think Jim was looking forward to talking about the economy a bit more.. but Tubs was probably just following his brief by not allowing him to do so.

You've got to ask yourself why they even had him on as a guest. There was even some plonker in the audience sitting in wait to play the anti-Semitism card!

alastair

My name is URL wrote: »

There was even some plonker in the audience sitting in wait to play the anti-Semitism card!

Yeah, because no-one would expect anti-semitic nonsense from an obsessed conspiracy 'theorist'. What a shocker for the late late producers!

My name is URL

alastair wrote: »

Yeah, because no-one would expect anti-semitic nonsense from an obsessed conspiracy 'theorist'. What a shocker for the late late producers!

It may be expected from some, but the guy who retorted with the anti-Semite claim had no basis to do so in this case. Cheap point scoring is all it was

Dave!

My name is URL wrote: »

It may be expected from some, but the guy who retorted with the anti-Semite claim had no basis to do so in this case. Cheap point scoring is all it was

He said that Jim's website links to a few sites with anti-Semitic agendas. I haven't checked myself, but I know that Jewish conspiracies are big among people who are into the Freemasons, lizard overlords kind of thing, so it wouldn't surprise me.

Brown Bomber

namloc1980 wrote: »

But he was the one who mentioned the Holocaust. He went way over the top to be honest.

Don't you consider the term "denier" to have holocaust denier connotations?

I do. And it trivialises the holocaust to make the connection between climate change skepticism and holocaust denial.

uprising2

Dave! wrote: »

He said that Jim's website links to a few sites with anti-Semitic agendas. I haven't checked myself, but I know that Jewish conspiracies are big among people who are into the Freemasons, lizard overlords kind of thing, so it wouldn't surprise me.

WTF have lizards got to do with anything?, its the card idiots use time after time when they come across things they cannot comprehend.

And Israel is the most antiSemitic monster ever devised, educate yourself about what is and isn't a Semite, there are 1,500,000 semites held in an open air prison better known as Gaza, by a non semite state of zionist khazars, Khazars are not semitic.

Get your facts right.

phantom_lord

uprising2 wrote: »

WTF have lizards got to do with anything?, its the card idiots use time after time when they come across things they cannot comprehend.

:pac:

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

Yeah, because no-one would expect anti-semitic nonsense from an obsessed conspiracy 'theorist'. What a shocker for the late late producers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

uprising2

phantom_lord wrote: »

:pac:

Great response from a linguistic genius, nothing happening on your forum so you come here with your usual muppet attitude.

Expand your horizons man......there's more......

:):rolleyes::o:mad::(:eek::cool::P:confused::pac:

phantom_lord

uprising2 wrote: »

Great response from a linguistic genius, nothing happening on your forum so you come here with your usual muppet attitude.

Click my sig

Brown Bomber

Dave! wrote: »

He said that Jim's website links to a few sites with anti-Semitic agendas. I haven't checked myself, but I know that Jewish conspiracies are big among people who are into the Freemasons,

How do you know?

Did you read it in the skeptic guide? Michael Shermer tell you?

Here is a masonic source with a informative piece titled Objections to freemasonry. http://www.masonicinfo.com/objections.htm

Nothing about Jewish conspiracies.

Dave! wrote: »

lizard overlords kind of thing, so it wouldn't surprise me.

I'll help you out. The site mentioned by the yank in the audience who pulled the anti-semitic card was this http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/

I've looked at the top 3 posts, all videos and what they do is expose hate.

And the third you can watch from the site. It's made by Max Blumenthal who is Jewish.

Do you think it anti-semitic to expose ignorance and hate if it is Jews who are hating?

uprising2

phantom_lord wrote: »

Click my sig

Why thats quite an interesting website Phantom_Lord. Have a good day.

joebucks

Who was the American fella aksin the questions?

What the deal with Monckton, he's a Knight of Malta, haven't they been accused of being involved in all sorts of conspiracies themselves??

Dave!

Brown Bomber wrote: »

How do you know?

Did you read it in the skeptic guide? Michael Shermer tell you?

Here is a masonic source with a informative piece titled Objections to freemasonry. http://www.masonicinfo.com/objections.htm

Nothing about Jewish conspiracies.



I'll help you out. The site mentioned by the yank in the audience who pulled the anti-semitic card was this http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/

I've looked at the top 3 posts, all videos and what they do is expose hate.


And the third you can watch from the site. It's made by Max Blumenthal who is Jewish.

Do you think it anti-semitic to expose ignorance and hate if it is Jews who are hating?

In the interest of fairness and balance, why don't we quote from another blog post from that site?

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2006/11/22/christ-killers/

Let’s call a spade a spade and call them what they are. Christ Killers.

The Ugly Truth: A great bunch of lads

loldog

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'll help you out. The site mentioned by the yank in the audience who pulled the anti-semitic card was this http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/

I've looked at the top 3 posts, all videos and what they do is expose hate.

If condemning this makes me an anti-Semite then I'm happy to be an anti-Semite.

.

uprising2

joebucks wrote: »

Who was the American fella aksin the questions?

What the deal with Monckton, he's a Knight of Malta, haven't they been accused of being involved in all sorts of conspiracies themselves??

The yank was a "son of the 60's" plant, usual jibberish.

The secret societies want to control it all, the front, the back, the right, the left, the top and the bottom, the for and the against, the good and the bad.

Rev Jesse Jackson, Voice for the downtrodden Black American: Freemason.

Here's a pic of the "Masons for Peace".

Brown Bomber

Dave! wrote: »

In the interest of fairness and balance, why don't we quote from another blog post from that site?

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2006/11/22/christ-killers/



The Ugly Truth: A great bunch of lads

I watched the top 3 posts on the site. What more do you expect? I never made any claims beyond those 3 posts.

I'm asking you again if in your opinion if exposing hate carried out by Jews is anti-semitic?

Must say it's reaching a bit to take something from 5 years ago. How did you come across it?

Mahatma coat

can anyone put up a link to Jim and Monckton?

Rather than watch this thread descend int people Questioning BB's motives for disliking Ongoing genocide and the Fvckers who perpetrate it

or Read the AH Thread which is mostly a bunch of 'Witty' posters making proouncements on Jims Mental health.

I'd like to see the interview and decide for meself, I'm a bit odd like that;)

uprising2

loldog wrote: »

If condemning this makes me an anti-Semite then I'm happy to be an anti-Semite.

.

No condemning that will make you a straight thinking person, not anti semitic, all this anti semitism is a load of bollox as shown by Bomber and an ex Israeli minister in the video posted, anti-zionist, anti-thuggery, anti-scumbag you may be if this sh!t boils your blood, but all in all a decent person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSECq3kxT4I

Mahatma coat

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-EgKTwh7uw

uprising2

Mahatma coat wrote: »

can anyone put up a link to Jim and Monckton?

Rather than watch this thread descend int people Questioning BB's motives for disliking Ongoing genocide and the Fvckers who perpetrate it

or Read the AH Thread which is mostly a bunch of 'Witty' posters making proouncements on Jims Mental health.

I'd like to see the interview and decide for meself, I'm a bit odd like that;)

There you go lad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-EgKTwh7uw

EDIT: Hate that!!

Dave!

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I watched the top 3 posts on the site. What more do you expect? I never made any claims beyond those 3 posts.

I'm asking you again if in your opinion if exposing hate carried out by Jews is anti-semitic?

Must say it's reaching a bit to take something from 5 years ago. How did you come across it?

Answer to your question: No exposing hate carried out by Jews is not anti-semitic

Calling Jews 'Christ Killers' is indeed religion-inspired anti-semitism

I don't think it's reaching myself, it was the first post I looked at actually. Having browsed through the rest of the site, it's littered with more anti-semitic crap, but it's veiled a bit better than that.

Brown Bomber

joebucks wrote: »

Who was the American fella aksin the questions?

I found him on twitter
http://twitter.com/harrybrowne

And check out who he is following...........boards.ie :pac: hmmmmmmmmm...

joebucks wrote: »

What the deal with Monckton, he's a Knight of Malta, haven't they been accused of being involved in all sorts of conspiracies themselves??

I don't know much about climate change but Moncton looks dodgy to me and it's not just his massive eyeballs and his Gerard Houllier motionless face either.

Brown Bomber

Dave! wrote: »

Answer to your question: No exposing hate carried out by Jews is not anti-semitic

Calling Jews 'Christ Killers' is indeed religion-inspired anti-semitism

I don't think it's reaching myself, it was the first post I looked at actually. Having browsed through the rest of the site, it's littered with more anti-semitic crap, but it's veiled a bit better than that.

ok then we are agreed on all points then. Nothing to argue about so.

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I found him on twitter
http://twitter.com/harrybrowne

And check out who he is following...........boards.ie :pac: hmmmmmmmmm...

Ha..That was quick! Seems like a decent chap! The whole thing was a fiasco..

I don't know much about climate change but Moncton looks dodgy to me and it's not just his massive eyeballs and his Gerard Houllier motionless face either.

Yeah he has come out with some real corkers in his time..If he is the best that can be produced in the case against climate change, then that really sums it up..

joebucks

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I found him on twitter
http://twitter.com/harrybrowne

It's funny that Harry was on the late late questioning Jim Corr about the possibility of a shadow government in the US, looking at some of his tweets I came across this

http://www.njstatelib.org/digit/Jerseyana/J329j66.pdf

It is a document about Enoch Johnson who the character Nucky Thompson in the show Boardwalk Empire is based on. For those that are not familiar with the show, one of the central themes in the show is the corruption within politics and the control exerted behind the scenes by hidden players. Great show- well worth a watch..

uprising2

joebucks wrote: »

Ha..That was quick! Seems like a decent chap! The whole thing was a fiasco..

Yea, did you notice him shaking as he was jibber jabbering, typical RTE crap recession plant, best they could afford.

Mahatma coat

Twas a bit odd, Jim seemed to be under the impression that he was invited on to talk about the econimic Situation, then that FOOL tubridy started leading the questions on tyo sept11 and seemed to be very reluctant to let Jim Discuss the thing he had prepared for.

is there a second half with Monkton???

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

ok then we are agreed on all points then. Nothing to argue about so.

Yep - the guy in the audience was right to call Jim Corr on the tired 'blame the Jews' narrative that is such a constant in the CT world. Jim links to patently anti-Semitic sites, is quite happy to ascribe blame for 9/11 on Mossad, and highlights who in relation to bondholders? That's right - the Rothschilds, Goldman, Sachs. No-one called Jim Corr an anti-Semite, just a perpetuator of the usual anti-Jewish CT memes.

CiaranMT

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Don't you consider the term "denier" to have holocaust denier connotations?

I do. And it trivialises the holocaust to make the connection between climate change skepticism and holocaust denial.

Yourself and Monckton seem to be the only two.

humanji

Can people stick to the topic and stop trying to one up each other?

humanji

Personally, I think the whole thing was a joke. As Mahatma Coat says, it seems Corr came on to talk about the government and the financial situation, but the Late Late Show just wanted someone that people can laugh and talk about the next day, so they stuck with the time honoured tradition of baiting. As with everything to do with the LLs, it was a sham.

alastair

How was he baited?

Sure he was shafted on time to propagate his economic conspiracy theories, but otherwise I don't see any 'baiting'. All his pet theories are as vulnerable to ridicule as each other.

panda100

I thought Tubridy was extremely rude to Jim Corr. I hated Tubridy before but I hate the mean even more after watching that.

I would have liked to have heard Corr speak more on the economic crisis as he was talking more sense than any of the gombeen fianna failers and fianna gailers that Tubridy usually sucks up to on the Late Late.

gizmo

It was a certainly a sham alright although that's unsurprising since Tubridy is indeed a dick but I did have to laugh at the point the American dude made..

"I mean you're suggesting essentially that people in the American government brought down the WTC and the Pentagon, essentially left little enough evidence that only a few of your friends have been able to find out what really happened but meanwhile they couldn't plant a few weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify their invasion of that country."

Does that not make anyone think about this entire hypothesis even the slightest bit?

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

Yep - the guy in the audience was right to call Jim Corr on the tired 'blame the Jews' narrative that is such a constant in the CT world.

Jim actually blamed the "anglo-American elite".

With the operation carried out perhaps by the CIA and Mossad.

Quite clearly he is not blaming the Jews by a stretch. But why let facts get in the way eh?

Where is the anti-British and anti-American claims? But no, he mentioned an intelligence agency known the world over for deception. It's even in their motto "by way of deception thou shalt do war". Irish passports, remember? Somehow "skeptical" folk like Barry from TV and yourself conflate Mossad with all Jews worldwide. Total nonsense tbh.

alastair wrote: »

Jim links to patently anti-Semitic sites,

How do you know? I don't. Are you a regular on his site?

alastair wrote: »

is quite happy to ascribe blame for 9/11 on Mossad,

So? Your quite happy to balme 911 on Arabs, Does that make you a racist?

alastair wrote: »

and highlights who in relation to bondholders? That's right - the Rothschilds, Goldman, Sachs.

:D

Maybe, just maybe it's because they were both Anglo bondholders and government advisors on the bailout?

:D

Your Jim Corr is an anti-semite conspiracy theory doesn't stand up to much. Does it?

GerardB

have to agree with Corr being set up- he came in to talk about the economy and Ryan made him talk about his 9/11 ideas.

reminded me of this video:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2648-Conspiracy-Weary

Diabhal Beag

Tubridy was to blame for a lot of this. Jim wanted to talk about the Financial side of conspiracies and all we got was 9/11 talk and climate change. All the guests came off badly. The tool in the audience, the old guy who looks like he hasn't slept in a year and Jim from the band my mom likes. They spent ages asking for comments about the word "denier" alluding to Holocaust deniers, which kinda confirmed the show was for each guest to try and one-up each other.

I'll never forget when Kenny had the leader of the Raelian cult on. He gave him time and the chance to give his opinions and respond to audience questions. Dave McSavage's posh cousin would never do such a thing.

uprising2

Well said Bomber, every American citizen is not in the cia, not every Jew is a mossad agent, not every Irish person is a member of the special branch or the IRA, not every British citizen is an MI5/MI6 agent, but some are.
And by signalling out any of these organisations I can't comprehend how some will call you anti whatever, not every cia agent is an american, not every mossad agent are israeli or jewish.

People should find out exactly what a semite is before calling anybody anti semitic.

Semitic peoples and their languages, in both modern and ancient historic times, have covered a broad area bridging Africa, Western Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. The earliest historic (written) evidences of them are found in the Fertile Crescent, an area encompassing the Akkadian, Babylonian and Assyrian civilizations along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (modern Iraq), extending northwest into southern Asia Minor (modern Turkey) and the Levant (modern Syria and Lebanon along the eastern Mediterranean. Early traces of Semitic speakers are found, too, in South Arabian inscriptions in Yemen, Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and after this in Carthage (modern Tunisia) and later still, in Roman times, in Nabataean inscriptions from Petra (modern Jordan) south into Arabia.

In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents).

In contrast, some recent genetic studies found that analysis of the DNA of Semitic-speaking peoples suggests that they have some common ancestry. Though no significant common mitochondrial results have been yielded, Y-chromosomal links between Semitic-speaking Near-Eastern peoples like Arabs, Hebrews and Assyrians have proved fruitful, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron). The studies attribute this correlation to a common Near Eastern origin, since Semitic-speaking Near Easterners from the Fertile Crescent (including Jews) were found to be more closely related to non-Semitic speaking Near Easterners (such as Iranians, Anatolians, and Caucasians) than to other Semitic-speakers (such as Gulf Arabs, Ethiopian Semites, and North African Arabs).

So I find it very hard to accept that speaking out against a group of
zionist's who are NOT semitic, who murder and starve and generally destroy every aspect of normal existance of a semitic people can be called anti semitic.
Is it not pro semitic to denounce Israel's (mostly non semitic people) ongoing attrocities against a semitic people?

Jim Corr's site may (I don't know) have links to anti zionist sites, but so what?, these zionists who myself, Jim, Bomber, Mahatma and a few others oppose are the filth of the earth, they are murdering scum and by all means available should be shown to be just that.

Guess where I got that little image?,

http://www.nkusa.org/

These Guys......

Brown Bomber

uprising2 wrote: »

http://www.nkusa.org/

These Guys......

It's not just Neuterei Karta that are Jewish (a people) , Pro Jewish and anti-Zionist (racist political ideology .Jews overall are the most outspoken critics of Zionism and apartheid Israel.

1. Naom Chomsky http://www.chomsky.info/
2. Norman Finkelstein: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
3. Ilan Pappe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Papp%C3%A9
4. Israel Shahak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak
5. Michel Warschawski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Warschawski
6. Ahad Ha'am: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahad_Ha%27am
7. Martin Buber: http://courses.washington.edu/spcmu/buber/
8. Yeshayahu Leibowitz: http://www.wix.com/giorab/leibowitz
9. Simcha Flapin: http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Post_Zionist.htm
10. Gideon Levy: http://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/gideon-levy-1.402
11. Uri Avnery: http://www.avnery-news.co.il/english/index.html
12. Philip Weiss: http://mondoweiss.net/
13. Richard Silverstein: http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/richardsilverstein
14. Max Blumethal: http://maxblumenthal.com/
15. Judge Richard Goldstone:http://www.un.org/News/dh/iraq/richard_goldstone.htm
16. Richard Falk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Falk
17. Holocaust Survivor Hedy Epstein: http://vivapalestina-my.org/articles/626-holocaust-survivor-hedy-epstein-speaks-out-against-zionist-crimes-in-palestine

And groups

1. Headed by a Holocaust survivor Dr Hajo Meyer the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network: http://www.ijsn.net/513/
2. Breaking the Silence: http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp
3. Women Against the Occupation: http://nonprofitnet.ca/wao/wao.php?browse&5
4. Israeli Physicians for Human Rights: http://www.phr.org.il/default.asp?PageID=4
5. The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions: http://www.icahd.org/

The above lists are by no means exhaustive but it should make it clear that anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism.

Religion and race has nothing to do with apartheid and human rights. It should not be used as a shield.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Religion and race has nothing to do with apartheid and human rights. It should not be used as a shield.

Extremely true. The problem however is that quite often comments are made which are not specific to the anti-Zionist group and the suspicion is levied on certain groups simply because they're Jewish. Hell, they don't even have to be Jews to be singled out, it's just that they're more prevalent in the context of CTs. And while I do agree that some of the people uprising mentioned are usually quite specific as to whom they direct their criticism, there have been some quite sickening examples which were, let's just say not so specific in this regard. Once these comments are made they will quite clearly colour people's opinion of anything said people have to say and as such, it's a lot harder to look at what they say objectively.

As for getting picky regarding the etymology of the term anti-Semitism, it's widely regarded in modern times that being "anti-Semitic" is displaying a a prejudice of jews.

My name is URL

gizmo wrote: »

As for getting picky regarding the etymology of the term anti-Semitism, it's widely regarded in modern times that being "anti-Semitic" is displaying a a prejudice of jews.

It's a stupid and over-used label in 'modern times', considering such a degree of secularism is prevalent in the modern world. It has nothing to do with prejudice towards Jews, and everything to do with demeaning any argument raised against anyone who happens to be Jewish.. just because they are Jewish.