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Comparison of rifle Builders
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16-01-2011 01:33AM#1i guess HPS ammo is not allowed here
Of course it is
Just an opinion why not go to rifle craft for 475 stg +vat to get any action you have rebarreled to any barell , any caliber you want and that includes proofing
Thats a decent price if it's all inclusive.
But does that include the price of the barrel? And if so, which one?Its a cheap option
It's only cheap if it includes a top-end custom match-grade barrel
UK£475 = €560+
VAT @ 20% = UK£95 = €113
= €673 + Shipping + Insurance
So you're talking about the guts of at least €750 all in.
Or.....
Why not just take a drive to Athlone or elsewhere and get a custom match-grade barrel fitted for in and around about the same price? And thereby support your local professionals while you're at it? Plus you'd be avoiding the hassle of shipping your pride-and-joy over to the UK and shipping it back again - and hoping you get what you're looking for. Riflecraft are good by all accounts - but why go to all that hassle, when you can get exactly the same job done equally well, if not better, down the road?3
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Well they quoted a kriegar barell at that price .for 470 stg plus vat including proofing well i could be wrong but thats not two bad .Plus they told me that any barell i wanted for that priceOf course it is
Thats a decent price if it's all inclusive.
But does that include the price of the barrel? And if so, which one?
It's only cheap if it includes a top-end custom match-grade barrel
UK£475 = €560+
VAT @ 20% = UK£95 = €113
= €673 + Shipping + Insurance
So you're talking about the guts of at least €750 all in.
Or.....
Why not just take a drive to Athlone or elsewhere and get a custom match-grade barrel fitted for in and around about the same price? And thereby support your local professionals while you're at it? Plus you'd be avoiding the hassle of shipping your pride-and-joy over to the UK and shipping it back again - and hoping you get what you're looking for. Riflecraft are good by all accounts - but why go to all that hassle, when you can get exactly the same job done equally well, if not better, down the road?0 -
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they give you a time line and price ,What can the irish guys give other than that
What the Irish Guy(s) can give, is the reassurance that you won't have to fly to the UK and drive to Norfolk to have a face-to-face chat about what you'd like done and the best way to do it.
What the Irish Guy(s) can give, is the reassurance that they will meet with you on your range, test fire the rifle, and stand ready to make notes on any tweaks needed, after the work is done, to make sure you are happy with the results.
What the Irish Guy(s) can give, is the reassurance that if you do have an issue after the work is done, you don't have to fly to the UK and drive to Norfolk to have yet another face-to-face chat.
But, other than that, there's not a lot extra they can offer you!
TBH that sounds cheap as chips for a Krieger custom barrel, supplied, shipped, chambered, fitted, crowned, and tested - and proofed too toboot.they told me that any barell i wanted for that price
Any barrel?:cool:
What length barrel?
What contour barrel?
What grade barrel?
Fluted barrel or not?
etc
etc
Not to be knocking them (I actually like what they do), but perhaps you're glossing over some of the details on this? I honestly cannot believe that they can give you "any barrel you wanted for that price". Not calling you are liar, don't get me wrong, I'm just very surprised at that offer.
(Krieger quote $295 (ca. UK£185) for a .308 on their website and that presumably excludes any taxes, shipping, and permits out of the US)0 -
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So you are talking about a few lads a few years ago.(but the fact is you have no personal experience with rifle craft.)Tackleberrywho wrote: »A couple of guys I know had them built a few years ago when there was no option of getting it done here. Point to note is nobody has got it done in years because it can be done here!!!!;)
You need permits to move your rifle in and out of the country and back in.
Insurance on carriage and carriage itself.
You would deffo be looking €1000+
What is proofing/stress testing?
Loading a Brand new shiny barrel with over the reccomended amount of powder and seeing if she blows! Then handing back and saying, it's OK Today.
Every Custom Rifle here is tested before the owner takes it back.
I have done a lot of study on the subject, and I have concluded if I wanted someone to wreck my brand new barrel and I to pay them I would need my head examined.
Seriously. You can have that all done here in a 6 week turn around and pay a deposit first, and the rest during construction and completion which spreads the payments over 6 weeks.
Riflecraft will want all the money up front
Have you had a custom build off any irish gun smith.
I am aware of what permits that are required to ship to the uk and back,
How are all the barrels in the uk proofed and not wrecked
(your understanding of proofing is quiet poor)
So we are talking roughly 800 euro to get it built in the uk and 1000+ to get the same job done in ireland .By the time you take the cost of proofing and shipping off the 800 euro it leaves the irish gun smiths very dear .
So you believe it ok to over charge if you get to pay it over a period of time .From what i have read on here there is not many 6 week turn arounds .0 -
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stick shooter wrote: »Tackleberrywho dont take this the wrong way but you keep saying he is cheaper than the uk but you have no idea of price.
And i guess it is safe to say you have never had a custom build.
I just find it very hard to take advise when you clearly dont know the facts yourself.
Look my good man, do you think I am going to post a list price for all components online for all to see?
It is not my business to do so, and each customer is treated on an individual basis.
If you want to know a price ask Ezridax as he had his done recently 0 -
Tackleberrywho wrote: »Look my good man, do you think I am going to post a list price for all components online for all to see?
It is not my business to do so, and each customer is treated on an individual basis.
If you want to know a price ask Ezridax as he had his done recently
Tackleberrywho this is ware it all goes wrong all customers should be treated the same not on an individule basis ,
There should be a set rate for the work carried out and NOT charge by what car you pull up in. Any uk builder i have contacted have a flat rate for .ie rebarrel ,bedding ,recrown
Further more i never asked for a list price for individule components ,You said in an earlier post 1000 plus for a basic rebarrel which is in fact a rip off when the same service is provided in the uk including shipping and proofing for several hundred less and that is not just rifle craft ,
Jackson rifles and border barrel are even cheaper than rifle craft again.
The simple fact are they are cheaper by quiet a bit, If the irish gunsmiths are unwilling to charge a proper price and a proper service the i think the uk is the way forward. And another simple fact is there is only a few gunsmiths in this country and they think its a monopoly and they can charge what they like.
If you have no idea of the price of the services provided by your gunsmith why are you coming on an open form promoting his service and running down well established and recognised gunsmiths in the uk.But on the other hand if you are aware of prices please feel free to sent them to me via pm. And also what makes of barrels he would have in stock;)It should be interesting to compare prices .0 -
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »28" Match Kreiger €850 INCLUDING VAT Fitted to your remington action in approx 4 weeks from today.
Barrels in stock.
I'm just off the Phone from my Rifle Builder.
I asked his permission to post prices.
Tell him Tackleberrywho sent ya!
Not a bad price but still too dear ,When you take rifle craft who is established for many years will do the same job including proofing for less than 700 euro , Its simple maths 850 - 700 = 150 , Plus riflecraft at that price will send the rifle to either london or birminghton for proofing .Now do you understand what i am saying about over charging 0 -
stick shooter wrote: »Not a bad price but still too dear ,When you take rifle craft who is established for many years will do the same job including proofing for less than 700 euro , Its simple maths 850 - 700 = 150 , Plus riflecraft at that price will send the rifle to either london or birminghton for proofing .Now do you understand what i am saying about over charging
If you want to wait a year for a rifle to be in your hands, then by all means.
If you can get that price from Rifle craft and are prepared to wait then go for it.(assuming that includes sending the rifle to and from Ireland)
"And if you want your Rifle proofed" then off to the UK with ya.
I always try and support Home grown Irish SME's.
And since the Top Irish Shooters are nearly all using Irish Custom rigs.... Well it's good enough for me.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056078922
Adrian Casey who used an Irish Build.;)0 -
stick shooter wrote: »So we are talking roughly 800 euro to get it built in the uk and 1000+ to get the same job done in ireland ......
Where is this €1000 price tag coming from. I've a few barrels done and none cost €1000. I even had a new barrel, threaded and fitted, glass and pillar bedded that did not cost €1,000.So you believe it ok to over charge if you get to pay it over a period of time .
I do not like the implication that gunsmiths here are over charging. They are charging a fee that is appropriate for the work they are doing in a much, much smaller market than the UK. That and the fact that ANY barrel an Irish dealer uses here must be shipped from a distributor in the UK. The UK have a larger buying power and even a home barrel producing network. So yes, no doubt we are paying more in some/most circumstances, but its down to parts/product costs more so than the actual labour costs..From what i have read on here there is not many 6 week turn arounds
Now you have. 2 barrels, seperate builds, 5 week max turnaround from time i ordered to firing on the range. New barrel ordered 1 week ago and will be ready in 3 weeks.stick shooter wrote: »What would the rough price be on a 28" 1-12 twist kreiger match grade barrel in .308 fitted to a remington action .Lets say a varmint, match contour. Are them barrels in stock and if not how long to get them in from the us.
Ring around. Any prices here will be for different barrels and different guns.stick shooter wrote: »Tackleberrywho this is ware it all goes wrong all customers should be treated the same not on an individual basis ,
Well if i'm getting a few barrels every year or two i would expect a discount so yes there will be different prices for different customers based on repeat business. As it is in every aspect of sales.You said in an earlier post 1000 plus for a basic rebarrel
Have to ask again where is this price coming from. I have never been charged, nor do i know anyone that has been charged €1000 for a basic rebarreling. Maybe for some "deluxe, Ultimate" barrel, and bedding job possibly, but again non that i have heard off.And another simple fact is there is only a few gunsmiths in this country and they think its a monopoly and they can charge what they like.
Not a monoply, but think of it this way. 4.5 million people in Ireland. 230,000 firearm holders. 40,000 or so fullbore rifle holders. 1,000 of those are target shooters, and i mean target not plinking or occassional "try my gun out" shooters. Probably less than the 1,000 go the custom route, but for the purpose of this example we will leave it at 1,000.
The UK has a population of 62,000,000. Taking the same stats in percentages as Ireland, we have .051% of the population as target shooters. Thats a 31,620 customer base. Bit of a difference, and the reason other than the home brand barrels that the UK can and will continue to supply cheaper barrels than the Irish custom builders.stick shooter wrote: »Not a bad price but still too dear ,When you take rifle craft who is established for many years will do the same job including proofing for less than 700 euro , Its simple maths 850 - 700 = 150 , Plus riflecraft at that price will send the rifle to either london or birminghton for proofing
Earlier you said €770 including postage?
So €770 from €850 = €80. As dCorbus said i'll keep my money at home, where the builder is available to me for consultation, last minute alterations, accompanying me to the range, etc. As for proofing. If you want it done send it away. For now we do not have a proofing house and until we do and are required to use it the point is moot.
Also how do you think Rifle Craft became "established"? From lads going to them. How are current or future rifle builders supposed to improve, expand and even start a business if the idea of "well they're not around long enough" prevails?.Now do you understand what i am saying about over charging
Over charging. :rolleyes:
Point here is you are set on sending your rifle to the UK to have it done. So be it. Some will take your advice and follow suit. Others will prefer to keep the business here for the sake of a box of rounds. I do not hold to your theory of the builders over charging because they can, and i like the idea that the builder is "available" to me when i want without having to ship the rifle/barrel back and forth should anything be wrong or need "tweaking".Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »If you want to wait a year for a rifle to be in your hands, then by all means.
If you can get that price from Rifle craft and are prepared to wait then go for it.(assuming that includes sending the rifle to and from Ireland)
"And if you want your Rifle proofed" then off to the UK with ya.
I always try and support Home grown Irish SME's.
And since the Top Irish Shooters are nearly all using Irish Custom rigs.... Well it's good enough for me.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056078922
Adrian Casey who used an Irish Build.;)
Lets end it on this note and get back on topic,
I have a price from rifle craft , border barrels and also jackson rifles.
The simple fact is the prices are over the top in ireland ,Put it a very simple i know of rifles being sent from ireland to the uk to be built BUT i have never heard of them being sent from the uk to ireland .
Maybe the irish gunsmiths are the best kept secret or could it be the fact that there is over charging going on .
And the next fact ,You have quoted a twelve month turn around on a build and your builders turn around time is four weeks ,Yet another reason for the uk competition shooters to use the irish gunsmiths (NOT)
How many barrels are the uk target shooters using per year,I guess not that many if you think there is a twelve month turn around:eek:
Proofing is not a thing you ask for its a service provided .
I understand when you say about spending your money over here,But the fact is the same service is being provided some ware else at a greatly reduced price . Its very simple the irish gunsmiths may review there prices and there method of charging or i am sure more and more rifles will be sent to the uk to be built
tackleberrywho this is not a personal dig at any one gunsmith over here ,I think they all need to come back to reality .0 -
stick shooter wrote: »Lets end it on this note and get back on topic,
I have a price from rifle craft , border barrels and also jackson rifles.
The simple fact is the prices are over the top in ireland ,Put it a very simple i know of rifles being sent from ireland to the uk to be built BUT i have never heard of them being sent from the uk to ireland .
Maybe the irish gunsmiths are the best kept secret or could it be the fact that there is over charging going on .
And the next fact ,You have quoted a twelve month turn around on a build and your builders turn around time is four weeks ,Yet another reason for the uk competition shooters to use the irish gunsmiths (NOT)
How many barrels are the uk target shooters using per year,I guess not that many if you think there is a twelve month turn around:eek:
Proofing is not a thing you ask for its a service provided .
I understand when you say about spending your money over here,But the fact is the same service is being provided some ware else at a greatly reduced price . Its very simple the irish gunsmiths may review there prices and there method of charging or i am sure more and more rifles will be sent to the uk to be built
tackleberrywho this is not a personal dig at any one gunsmith over here ,I think they all need to come back to reality .
FYI, several Customs jobs from UK are being completed over here, especially after a glowing article in a Famous Rifle magazine.
You speak of a 4 week turn around, Proof house UK 4 week Min Turn around, Sending rifle to UK and back several weeks turn around.
Joining a queue in a UK company several more weeks.
Show me one guy that sent a rifle to the UK and received it back within a month, I'll take my hat off to them.
Remembering all the Imports from DOJ/Exports from DOJ and UK counterparts......0 -
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