Rabbis call for extermination camps for Palestinians.

Jimmy Garlic

Some of the nuttier Rabbis in Israel have been at it again...

An article in the Israeli Jewish Orthodox publication "Fountains of Salvation", which purports to be a 'family magazine', suggests that Israel will create death camps for Palestinians in order to wipe them out like Amalek.

The terms Amalek or Amalekites is code for the Palestinians (and other perceived enemies of the Jewish people) and originates in the Old Testament. It amounts to a call for genocideRabbis throughout the ages have allegorized the reference to Amalek to connote any sworn enemy of the Jewish people from Hitler to Barack Obama (some prominent American Orthodox Jews wrote in such terms before the last US election). But this is perhaps the first time any Orthodox publication in Israel has called for the genocide of the Palestinians.

The article attacks Israeli rabbis who dispute the letter recently circulated by pro-settler extremist rabbis which urged that no Israeli Jew should rent apartments or houses to Israeli Palestinians. It chided them for being 'politically correct' and refusing to do their jobs and educate the populace in the true path of Torah.

In the last paragraph of the piece, the attack continues with the following remark, "It will be interesting to see whether they (the politically correct rabbis) leave the assembly of the Amalekites (Palestinians) in extermination camps to others, or whether they will declare that wiping out Amalek is no longer (historically ) relevant. Only time will tell……."

http://www.indymedia-letzebuerg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65577&Itemid=28


Talk about history repeating itself.

Buceph

I wouldn't trust indymedia if it told me rashers were tasty.

Iwasfrozen

Buceph wrote: »

I wouldn't trust indymedia if it told me rashers were tasty.

You mean bacon.

Buceph

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You mean bacon.

I'm trying to sneak it past my rabbi.

FreudianSlippers

Buceph wrote: »

I wouldn't trust indymedia if it told me rashers were tasty.

They can be a bit salty for my tastes if I'm honest.

Gaza 2000's = warsaw 1940's, tbh.

Sykk

OisinT wrote: »

They can be a bit salty for my tastes if I'm honest.

That's what she said.

AnonoBoy

What what what's all this about bacon sambos?

Jimmy Garlic

Buceph wrote: »

I wouldn't trust indymedia if it told me rashers were tasty.

So they made it up for the lulz?.

Buceph

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

So they made it up for the lulz?.

I hope not.


Rashers are very important to me and I wouldn't like to see anyone joking about them.

marcsignal

seems to be all over the web, not just indiemedia

http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/01/15/nazi-rabbis-arabs-to-the-ovens/

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january152011/gassing-arabs-tg.php

http://www.paltelegraph.com/world/middle-east/77-middle-east/8223-israels-orthodox-rabbis-palestinians-to-the-ovens.html

funny old world out there....

R0ot

The irony of Israel's final solution. :pac:

Manic Moran

The article does point out that these are extremists, and thus not exactly representative of the Israeli population as a whole.

Every society will have its nutters. As long as they're just preaching to each other, no great harm done.

NTM

Red Hand

Manic Moran wrote: »

The article does point out that these are extremists, and thus not exactly representative of the Israeli population as a whole.

Every society will have its nutters. As long as they're just preaching to each other, no great harm done.

NTM

And more importantly: rashers or Canadian bacon?

I'm not as big a fan of the rasher as some here...a couple of slices of white pudding is nice too.

Buceph

marcsignal wrote: »

seems to be all over the web, not just indiemedia

http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/01/15/nazi-rabbis-arabs-to-the-ovens/

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january152011/gassing-arabs-tg.php

http://www.paltelegraph.com/world/middle-east/77-middle-east/8223-israels-orthodox-rabbis-palestinians-to-the-ovens.html

funny old world out there....

Two of the articles are the exact same piece, just repeated, and all of those articles are written by the same person. And in one of the articles he seems to declare himself an "enemy of the Jewish people." In fairness he does say this isn't representative of all Jewish people. Still, I'd prefer to see if Al Jazeera, the NYT/IHT or the Guardian pick it up. They'd put it in a context I'd be more willing to triust.

TheZohanS

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What what what's all this about bacon sambos?

Rabbits are giving out about them apparently....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW4qiJuZs6Q

arybvtcw0eolkf

They're all a shower of bleed'n nutter's over there.

Let 'em all at each other for all I care.

Red Hand

Noelle Billions Acid wrote: »

They're all a shower of bleed'n nutter's over there.

Let 'em all at each other for all I care.

Or better, since pork isn't kosher to most Israelis and Palestenians, then sell them rashers at knock down prices and call them Kangeroo strips.

Then when rasher eating takes over in a year's time, tell them what rashers really are. Ka-bam!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Buceph wrote: »

Still, I'd prefer to see if Al Jazeera, the NYT/IHT or the Guardian pick it up. They'd put it in a context I'd be more willing to triust.

Like Al Jazeera blaming the Israeli's for putting sharks into the Red Sea

I like Al Jazeera, but every now and again they drop a clanger like this.

evercloserunion

OisinT wrote: »

They can be a bit salty for my tastes if I'm honest.

Commie!

arybvtcw0eolkf

OisinT wrote: »

They can be a bit salty for my tastes if I'm honest.

Who Palestinians or Israeli's?..

I've eaten more than one Israeli, but never a Palestinian - so can speak with some authority on it :P

Balmed Out

There are weird extremist nut cases in every country. We have our Neil Horan whom I think we can safely say is quite a bit nuttier then most. Just looked him up on wikipedia to see what hes up to. I was abroad at the time but was this well known?

During the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany, Horan was arrested by German police before he could stage a planned protest. He had written to the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and The Kingdom newspaper in County Kerry, Ireland, informing them that he planned to dance a peace jig outside the stadium in Berlin before the World Cup final. He told The Kingdom that he would carry posters declaring that "Adolf Hitler was a good leader who was following the word of Christ", give the Hitler salute, and light a candle for Hitler at the Gestapo Headquarters.[3] He spent two months in custody awaiting trial but was released on September 15, 2006, when the judge discharged the case.[4]

Nodin

Buceph wrote: »

Two of the articles are the exact same piece, just repeated, and all of those articles are written by the same person. And in one of the articles he seems to declare himself an "enemy of the Jewish people." ................

Always one wee prick.....

Anyhoo, nothing in Haaretz, who are good spotting on the extreme right.

Maybe he got bored marching in front of his mirror in his rubber jackboots and matching codpiece and made it up.

RichieC

It's probably no different than extremists in America like Coulter calling for america to invade Arab countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

biko

Oh, wait - they're actually doing that...

sheesh

religious nutjob says something controversal.

All he really wants is a hug

Buceph

Nodin wrote: »

Always one wee prick.....

Anyhoo, nothing in Haaretz, who are good spotting on the extreme right.

Maybe he got bored marching in front of his mirror in his rubber jackboots and matching codpiece and made it up.

An honest to god Godwin, that's a rare sight.

And I didn't say I didn't believe him. I just said I'd like to see it put in context by a news organisation I know. And if you read the list of organisations I said I'd like to refer to then I'm hardly looking for some rabid Palestine haters to put it in context.

Nodin

Buceph wrote: »

An honest to god Godwin, that's a rare sight.
.

Well he could be a bearded son of the prophet, but the idea of rubber jacboots and a big shiny swastikaed codpiece is a bit more amusing, I think.

sheesh

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Some of the nuttier Rabbis in Israel have been at it again...



http://www.indymedia-letzebuerg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65577&Itemid=28


Talk about history repeating itself.

I love the way 'Kill arabs' is written in english shouldn't it be in hebrew?

but then we wouldn't understand it...

stockphotography ftw

Nodin

sheesh wrote: »

I love the way 'Kill arabs' is written in english shouldn't it be in hebrew?

but then we wouldn't understand it...

stockphotography ftw

I think he needed a few more trial runs on the small Stars of David before scaling up....

jimthemental

Jesus, Mock the Week could try to get a full season out of this non story.

Jimmy Garlic

Another source...

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party on Sunday accused Jewish rabbis in Israel of calling for religious conflicts and "racial terrorism."

The "racist, bloody tone" in the Israeli religious speech implies "actual dangers" on the Palestinians, said Jamal Nazzal, a member of Fatah Revolutionary Council.

His remarks came after an Israeli news website published some quotes from a decree signed by major rabbis in Israel, calling for the creation of "death camps" for the Palestinians.

The news site, Ynet, highlighted a weekly magazine distributed in synagogues across Israel. The magazine published the decree, which considers the concentration camps for the Palestinians as a religious duty.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90854/7262862.html

Ronin247

The settlers are the most extreme Israelis you can get.This is like quoting the BNP and passing it off as British policy.

The Palestinians and other Arab states have a stated goal of destroying Israel and driving the Jews into the sea.They have actually tried it a few times with sneak attacks such as Yom Kippur and we are outraged by a few radical rabbis ?:rolleyes:

Nodin

Ronin247 wrote: »

The settlers are the most extreme Israelis you can get.This is like quoting the BNP and passing it off as British policy.

The Palestinians and other Arab states have a stated goal of destroying Israel and driving the Jews into the sea.They have actually tried it a few times with sneak attacks such as Yom Kippur and we are outraged by a few radical rabbis ?:rolleyes:

We're "outraged" by the settlements whereby these kind of people get to occupy land and are backed by a modern state.

Terry

Manic Moran wrote: »

The article does point out that these are extremists, and thus not exactly representative of the Israeli population as a whole.

Every society will have its nutters. As long as they're just preaching to each other, no great harm done.

NTM

The problem is that it is Rabbis who are preaching this crap, and not just some nutter on their verson O'Connell street on a Saturday afternoon.

Rabbis, as if you did not know, are held in very high esteem by the Israelis. This is akin to a Catholic priest of the 1970's calling for death camps for NI protestants.

Noelle Billions Acid wrote: »

They're all a shower of bleed'n nutter's over there.

Let 'em all at each other for all I care.

Honestly never thought I'd hear you call Israelis "nutters".

Ronin247 wrote: »

The settlers are the most extreme Israelis you can get.This is like quoting the BNP and passing it off as British policy.

The Palestinians and other Arab states have a stated goal of destroying Israel and driving the Jews into the sea.They have actually tried it a few times with sneak attacks such as Yom Kippur and we are outraged by a few radical rabbis ?:rolleyes:

Once again, this isn't being done by radical politicians. It's religious leaders.
If there is one country in the West with experience of religious leaders holding sway over political matters, it's Ireland.

What you have in Israel is a state created by former colonial powers. It's no different to most of Africa.
What's sad is that African countries were created in a similar way.
Indigenous people being displaced from their homes.
The only difference is that Africans don't have a Hitler to cite for their troubles. They're also mostly black, so they have very little say in U.S. politics, and don't have the power of the Jewish lobby.

Israel, in my opinion is no better than Germany under Hitler. They're just more insidious in their ways.
They walked onto Palestinian land in 1948, told the people living there to GTFO and then cried when the locals fought back.

**** Israel.

Iwannahurl

Ronin247 wrote: »

The settlers are the most extreme Israelis you can get.This is like quoting the BNP and passing it off as British policy.

The Palestinians and other Arab states have a stated goal of destroying Israel and driving the Jews into the sea.They have actually tried it a few times with sneak attacks such as Yom Kippur and we are outraged by a few radical rabbis ?:rolleyes:

Israel is a racist/apartheid state, and it got where it is today through military might, a historical programme of ethnic cleansing and ongoing policies designed to put the Palestinians under intolerable pressure.

However, there are many moderate and dissenting voices in Israel, and the worst extremists (who for example regard the Palestinians as the ancient Amalek enemy and therefore a legitimate target for extermination), while influential in certain quarters, are by no means a dominant group.

The BNP analogy does not hold up though, in my opinion, because the BNP does not have the same level of power and influence as their 'equivalents' in Israel.

Ronin247

Same old anti Israel rabble.The Israelis were driven off that land hundreds of years before.Who was there first,no one knows.If you stand an Israeli and a Palestinian side by side I would like to see you tell which is which,they are the same tribe divided by religion.(surprise surprise)

No one is addressing the issue of all the Arab states that preach for the outright destruction of the Jews and Israel itself. It is government policy and religious edict in some states.

The settlements are on land that was kept as a "buffer zone" such as the golan heights to prevent the Arabs carrying out sneak attacks.I dont agree with the settlements but there are two sides to this conflict.Try living in Iraq as a practising Catholic,in fact try it in most Arab countries and come back and tell us about the racist Israeli regime.

Iwannahurl

Ronin247 wrote: »

Same old anti Israel rabble.The Israelis were driven off that land hundreds of years before.Who was there first,no one knows.If you stand an Israeli and a Palestinian side by side I would like to see you tell which is which,they are the same tribe divided by religion.(surprise surprise)

No one is addressing the issue of all the Arab states that preach for the outright destruction of the Jews and Israel itself. It is government policy and religious edict in some states.

The settlements are on land that was kept as a "buffer zone" such as the golan heights to prevent the Arabs carrying out sneak attacks.I dont agree with the settlements but there are two sides to this conflict.Try living in Iraq as a practising Catholic,in fact try it in most Arab countries and come back and tell us about the racist Israeli regime.

In many cases I probably couldn't distinguish by appearances.

But stand them side by side and compare their socio-economic status, educational opportunities, working & living conditions...

Manic Moran

Terry wrote: »

The problem is that it is Rabbis who are preaching this crap, and not just some nutter on their verson O'Connell street on a Saturday afternoon.

Rabbis, as if you did not know, are held in very high esteem by the Israelis. This is akin to a Catholic priest of the 1970's calling for death camps for NI protestants.

And mullahs are held in high esteem by Afghans. That's not say that if one is a little 'out there' that the locals will not form their own opinion of him, even if he is guaranteed a certain amount of immunity by virtue of his position.

Even then they can go too far. There was one that was evicted from his 'parish' by his 'parishioners' in our area.

Honestly never thought I'd hear you call Israelis "nutters".

I'll call anyone a nutter if I think, in my untrained layman mind, that they are one. The fact that this particular nutter is an Israeli is a bit beside the point, what's more important is his apparently rather uncharitable opinion towards his neighbours.

NTM

Nodin

Ronin247 wrote: »

Same old anti Israel rabble.The Israelis were driven off that land hundreds of years before.Who was there first,no one knows.If you stand an Israeli and a Palestinian side by side I would like to see you tell which is which,they are the same tribe divided by religion.(surprise surprise)
....

No one is addressing the issue of all the Arab states that preach for the outright destruction of the Jews and Israel itself. It is government policy and religious edict in some states.

......

For one thing, thats primarily the non-Arab Iran you seem to be describing. Its under a ream of international sanctions and its a persona non-grata with the majority of the developed nations on the planet, particularily those in the West. Syria is also under a number of embargos.

Israel, despite its activities, is not under any form of sanction at all. Why should people be worked up about a pariah state thats constantly being dealt with and ignore another malefactor that seems to be immune to consequence?

There are peace treaties between Israel, Egypt and Jordan. The only thing preventing Syria signing up is the Golan, and negotiations are conducted in secret.

Besides all that, and even if the worst excesses of Iran were true of all the Arab states (and I don't recall anyone here championing them as somehow noble and worthy examples of how nations should be run), how would that excuse the systematic colonisation of the Occupied Territories and the brutalisation of the Palestinians therein? If the next door neighbours batter their children, do I get a free pass to batter mine?

Johro

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Some of the nuttier Rabbits in Israel have been at it again...
Talk about history repeating itself.

Pfff... They're always at it.
At it like.. Oh never mind.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Terry wrote: »

Honestly never thought I'd hear you call Israelis "nutters".

I said "Israeli's are nutters", where?.

Religious extremists everywhere are nutters, at least in my experience.

Hopefully be back on the Lebanese/Israeli border this summer.. Lovely countries, Lebanon and Israel.

The Saint

Ronin247 wrote: »

Same old anti Israel rabble.

Hmm...

Ronin247 wrote: »

The Israelis were driven off that land hundreds of years before. Who was there first,no one knows.

International borders and states are not defined by 2000 year old land claims. Many groups have resided in the land over the millenia, it doesn't give a claim validity. What gives legitimacy is what you are entitled to under contemporary international law.

Also, the Jebusites, a Caananite tribe, were in the area before the Israelites. It is a miconception that Jerusalem was established by the Israelites.

Ronin247 wrote: »

If you stand an Israeli and a Palestinian side by side I would like to see you tell which is which,they are the same tribe divided by religion.(surprise surprise)

With the exception of a Palestinian Israel, I'd probably make a good stab at telling the difference between a Palestinian and an Israeli and would probably be right 9 times out of 10.

Ronin247 wrote: »

No one is addressing the issue of all the Arab states that preach for the outright destruction of the Jews and Israel itself. It is government policy and religious edict in some states.

You're ignoring the fact that in 2002 EVERY Arab state offered Israel full peace, full recognition and full normalisation of relations for a return to its legal borders. This offer has been repeated a number of times but has essentially been ignored.

Ronin247 wrote: »

The settlements are on land that was kept as a "buffer zone" such as the golan heights to prevent the Arabs carrying out sneak attacks.I dont agree with the settlements but there are two sides to this conflict.

I find it an incredibly odd justification for settlements that they are a buffer to protect Israeli citizens. It defies logic. How does it protect Israelis to put civilians in a hostile area to protect Israelis? There is no defensive justication for settlements.

As for the main topic of the thread, while the view of the Rabbis is more extreme than what is normally stated, there is a insidious undercurrent gathering momentum in Israel. Rabbis stating it is forbidden to rent to (Israeli) Arabs in Safed, polls showing that employers prefering not to employ Arabs and that many people don't want to live next to Arabs or homosexuals, community committees refusing to allow Arabs to live in their areas, the proposed loyalty oath, the spiritual leader of a government party saying that the Palestinians and Abbas should perish, the same leader stating that non-Jews were born to serve the Jews, protests in Bat Yam against Jewish women dating Arab men, the current witch hunt of Israeli human rights groups, the shift to the right and growing extremism in the Israeli political system, etc....

This is a very worrying trend and a lot of Israelis are very worried about the future diection that the country is going in. However, the population as a whole is becoming more religious and intolerant. With the collapse of the left and the strengthening of the religious right I can't see things getting better, but worse. I hope that I a wrong.

Noelle Billions Acid wrote: »

Hopefully be back on the Lebanese/Israeli border this summer.. Lovely countries, Lebanon and Israel.

Inshallah.

curlzy

What I think the really sad part is; if this was true and they actually set up the death camps the rest of the world would discuss it and bemoan it and talk about it and stand by and do ****ing nothing, much like Darfur . Rather than be outraged by possible atrocities why not be outraged by the ones that are actually occuring? Like that fact that there exists today between 12 and 20 million people held in slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html

arybvtcw0eolkf

The Saint wrote: »

Inshallah.

Coming to grips with the lingo eh!.

Well have a few cold one's on Hamra St, God willing.

enda1

What's worrying in this is the fact that the Orthodox are growing at a much faster rate than the moderate Jews in Israel. The orthodox traditionally hold a lot of political strength due to their high voter turnout and the fact its necessary to sweeten the deal for them to draw them into a usually coalition government. This in effect means that they get huge social welfare payouts to continue their non-productive way of living which increase a lot per child - hence the having many many children.

So if this type of sentiment is growing in this community, the country could really be in for a nasty surprise in a few years. On the other hand, the ultra-orthos don't really like military and are therefore more talk than action, so if they become too powerful in the country, its probably more likely to see an actual proper split and declaration of two independent states.

Ronin247

The Saint wrote: »

Hmm...


International borders and states are not defined by 2000 year old land claims. Many groups have resided in the land over the millenia, it doesn't give a claim validity. What gives legitimacy is what you are entitled to under contemporary international law. Which recognises the state of Isreal

Also, the Jebusites, a Caananite tribe, were in the area before the Israelites. It is a miconception that Jerusalem was established by the Israelites. Which is my point,nobody can claim the land because it has changed hands so many times yet people only see the "legitimate" Palestinian claim


With the exception of a Palestinian Israel, I'd probably make a good stab at telling the difference between a Palestinian and an Israeli and would probably be right 9 times out of 10. Probably........,the highly trained security people at various locations have had suicide bombers walk straight past them and thought they were Jews.I know I couldnt tell the difference.


You're ignoring the fact that in 2002 EVERY Arab state offered Israel full peace, full recognition and full normalisation of relations for a return to its legal borders. This offer has been repeated a number of times but has essentially been ignored. Of course the condition based on UN Resolution 194 (which calls for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict and resolves that any refugees "wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors" should be able to do so or if they otherwise wish to be provided with compensation)." would effectively end Jewish Israel, I would ignore it too


I find it an incredibly odd justification for settlements that they are a buffer to protect Israeli citizens. It defies logic. How does it protect Israelis to put civilians in a hostile area to protect Israelis? There is no defensive justication for settlements. Didn't justify,didn't say they were defences just stated where they are.My post wasn't clear,it is the buffer zone that is the defence not the settlement(which I still dont agree with)





Inshallah.

Sorry for the long post folks

galwayrush

Sounds like Jews and Palestinians are fighting over a meat that they both cannot eat.....:D

bodice ripper

And the Germans killed the Jews, and the Jews killed the Arabs, and the Arabs killed the hostages and that is the news...

Terry

Ronin247 wrote: »

Same old anti Israel rabble.The Israelis were driven off that land hundreds of years before.Who was there first,no one knows.If you stand an Israeli and a Palestinian side by side I would like to see you tell which is which,they are the same tribe divided by religion.(surprise surprise)

The Israelis were nomads. Their holy book says so. The same holy book that says that Israel belongs to them.
All this crap is based on a 6,000 year old book written by people eating funky Cacti.

No one is addressing the issue of all the Arab states that preach for the outright destruction of the Jews and Israel itself. It is government policy and religious edict in some states.

I will.
They're ****. All of those preaching that crap are complete and utter *****.
In saying that, two wrongs don't make a right.

The settlements are on land that was kept as a "buffer zone" such as the golan heights to prevent the Arabs carrying out sneak attacks.I dont agree with the settlements but there are two sides to this conflict.

Yes, there are two sides to this conflict, but, once again, two wrongs do not make a right.

The Israelis are quite clearly abusing their power over the Palestinians. How people cannot see this fact is beyond me.
The continue to force Palestinian out of their homes, and then wonder why the Palestinians are fighting back. The ignorance and lack of action by the civilised world defies all logic.
When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the world ran to aid the Kuwaitis, but nothing is being done to stop Israel from doing the same thing.

We can all sit back and criticise Hamas, but they are the SF of Gaza.
Yeah, SF is a dirty word in today's Ireland, but it wasn't back in 1920.

Try living in Iraq as a practising Catholic,in fact try it in most Arab countries and come back and tell us about the racist Israeli regime.

Are you now, or have you ever been a practicing Catholic living in Iraq?

Noelle Billions Acid wrote: »

I said "Israeli's are nutters", where?.

Here: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70148734#post70148734

Religious extremists everywhere are nutters, at least in my experience.

Hopefully be back on the Lebanese/Israeli border this summer.. Lovely countries, Lebanon and Israel.

Enjoy your holiday.

galwayrush

bodice ripper wrote: »

And the Germans killed the Jews, and the Jews killed the Arabs, and the Arabs killed the hostages and that is the news...

That kind of stuff could amuse you to death.....:D