will I lose the dole if I get census enumerator job?

apkbarry

Just make sure you put it in a zip pocket.
That would sort all worries.

csographer

Cost of two large envelopes €0.50 (from 10pk bought at Tesco for €2.50)
1 envelope for postage and one included in your application for your rejection letter to be sent back.

Cost of getting double sided full size copies of College Degree, Religious Ed Cert and HDip in Ed €1.20 (home scanned and printed copies not deemed authentic?)

Cost of paper 500 sheets €4.99 Tesco average 7pages per application = €0.07014028056 or €0.07

Cost of postage of large envelope which has to be weighed at Post Office €2.10
Cost of stamp for large envelope so rejection letter can be sent back €0.95

So on doing the maths we find:
€0.95
2.10
0.07
1.20
+0.50
€4.82

I beg your forgiveness as I'm €0.18 off but I suppose if I factored in electricity for using the computer to do my cover letter, the cost of ink for printing off my application and petrol for the drive to the Post Office when it's not raining I'd be well over the €5 originally quoted.

Why does it cost so much?
1 page Cover letter, 6 page education work portfolio, 2 one page references and then copied certification all add to the heavy cost of postage.
Then there is the envelope with the €0.95 stamp which was originally requested so your documents could be returned to you however educational authorities soon discovered that this cost more than €0.95 and now use the envelope to send you a rejection or interview letter!

And I'm not attempting to belittle anybody if anything it's general ignorance for somebody to think that they could possibly work on what is a temporary contract and still claim benefits. If this was allowed then entire nation would be working a 20 hour week and this big pot you speak of would be well and truly empty.

Not claiming is not a noble pursuit either, it's a matter of not needing the money and being able to survive. Why take from a pot that's already half empty, when I don't need it?

If anything people on welfare who are selected to act as an enumerator should have their dole stopped for the duration of service but their rent allowance, fuel allowance and whatever else claimed left in place. Department of welfare should work with CSO so that when the census has finished your full entitlements are automatically returned. Logical if anything..

eastbono

Well some one on jsb does not receive fuel allowance... you have to be long termed unemployed to receive fuel allowance and tbh your post has nothing to do with the original posting.... have you interviewed for the enumerators job???

rainbow76

i'm on jsb and applied for enumerator. I really want the job even if it doesnt pay me but i just copped today
i get 219 on jsb and dh gets 150 approx from jsa. We have 2 kids under 4. He gets fuel allowance of €4 per week

His jsa pays the mortgage along with 300 from childrens allowance.

mine pays groceries and all bills. We manage.

So i'll get 100 per week and 1200 at the end. If i work it out it means i can pay weekly groceries but bills etc will have to wait til i get the 1200 at end. And then risk possible disconnection of services but hopefully i can keep suppliers informed

Then it struck me i have payment protection on personal loan of 254 per month. If i get enumerator job and take it i lose this. If i get enumerator job and refuse it i will lose it and benefits possibly for not taking job?

I find myself reluctantly 'hoping' I dont get it.

I hope to get clarification soon enough but social welfare have no idea when i go in and ask.

I like many dont expect full jsb for myself while doing this but it seems at the moment applying for this role will cost me dearly. THe whole system makes me angry

Csographer, I was of a similar opinion two years ago but sadly after me and dh loosing very well paid jobs I cant afford to think like this. We have to claim or we starve. What savings we had pay the difference from mortgage and dh's jsa. We both apply every day for jobs but nothing coming up.

Please god things will turn around soon.

Best of luck to all anyhow

V480

I emailed Welfare regarding this and this is the reply they sent me:

''A person on Jobseeker's Benefit (JB) must sign off for any days worked as an enumerator. If a JB customer carries out his/her duties as an enumerator over 3 days each week, s/he may be entitled to JB for the other 3 days provided all other statutory conditions are satisfied. You should notify your local office if you are successful in your interview.''

pinkypinky

csographer wrote: »

Cost of two large envelopes €0.50 (from 10pk bought at Tesco for €2.50)
1 envelope for postage and one included in your application for your rejection letter to be sent back.

Cost of getting double sided full size copies of College Degree, Religious Ed Cert and HDip in Ed €1.20 (home scanned and printed copies not deemed authentic?)

Cost of paper 500 sheets €4.99 Tesco average 7pages per application = €0.07014028056 or €0.07

Cost of postage of large envelope which has to be weighed at Post Office €2.10
Cost of stamp for large envelope so rejection letter can be sent back €0.95

So on doing the maths we find:
€0.95
2.10
0.07
1.20
+0.50
€4.82

I don't disbelieve you but it's mad that schools can't accept applications by email in this day and age. I've been working for 12 years and I've never applied by post for a job or looked for one in a newspaper.

csographer

pinkypinky wrote: »

I don't disbelieve you but it's mad that schools can't accept applications by email in this day and age. I've been working for 12 years and I've never applied by post for a job or looked for one in a newspaper.

I actually got the figure wrong and didn't know the post went out, I reposted today because it actually costs more its over €5 because I have to photo copy references and it also depends on where you do your photocopying.
Unfortunately majority of schools will not accept applicants online, on the plus side the school I work in as an SNA have a vacancy for a teacher coming up for September so fingers crossed I get it. I've already been told I've an interview.

Liamario

In the same boat as a few people here. I have had my interview also.
I think that it's a tough job and I feel that getting my payments renewed after doing the survey is what's putting a lot of people including me off.
I don't think the pay is that great either to be honest, considering the job.
I wouldn't be looking for anything close to my full dole, but I do need to take into account how much I would be earning during the 10 weeks, how long it will take to have my welfare payments restarted afterwards.
It's funny that the people who were never unemployed are the ones with the biggest and most outrageous opinions.

ouncer

I have interview on Friday. And its a terrible thing to say but I simply can't afford to take it if I got it. I've worked solidly for 18 years, paid my taxes, and lost my job 11 months ago because the company I worked for moved its operation to Singapore as it was cheaper to do business there.

So I decided that maybe a few extra bob would be nice and it would be great to get out and meet people. So I applied for the enumerator position. However after reading the comments in this post, in particular

"Regarding those in receipt of social welfare, it should be noted that each enumerator is required to deliver census forms to approximately 400 households and most of that work is carried out in the evening and at weekends. I am advised by the Central Statistics Office that because of the necessity to make personal contact with all householders, it is a requirement of the job that enumerators typically work five or six evenings a week and perhaps one day at the weekend. If that is the case, under social welfare rules they would not have an entitlement to claim jobseeker’s allowance because effectively they would not be available for work.The experience of the staff and the advice I am getting from the CSO is that, typically, the enumerators must work four or five days a week because there is a need to make personal contact and some householders may not be at home on a Monday evening. The work required tends to be for most evenings of the week as well as one of the days of the weekend."

I have to support 3 children on my own and I can't afford any disruption to my welfare payments. Its a sad day when you have to admit that you can't afford to take a job and being on welfare is the only viable solution.

AnnyHallsal

ouncer wrote: »

"Regarding those in receipt of social welfare, it should be noted that each enumerator is required to deliver census forms to approximately 400 households and most of that work is carried out in the evening and at weekends. I am advised by the Central Statistics Office that because of the necessity to make personal contact with all householders, it is a requirement of the job that enumerators typically work five or six evenings a week and perhaps one day at the weekend. If that is the case, under social welfare rules they would not have an entitlement to claim jobseeker’s allowance because effectively they would not be available for work.The experience of the staff and the advice I am getting from the CSO is that, typically, the enumerators must work four or five days a week because there is a need to make personal contact and some householders may not be at home on a Monday evening. The work required tends to be for most evenings of the week as well as one of the days of the weekend."

This is going to be a problem for a lot of people. Even if you can live on 100 euro a week, will claims be closed and reopened? Will those who accept be put at the bottom of the waiting list? Will those who already receive a casual payment have to go through the process again, getting employers to fill in all documents again?

V480

I got an email from Welfare that suggested that I would be able to retain some of my Welfare payments if I working as an enumerator although it would depend on the individual welfare officer to determine that. However after reading that I don't know...

I know that I could not do the job without it, I'm getting 147 euro per week on Welfare now and just barely getting by on that so I simply could not afford to drop down to 100 euro per week, even if it was bolstered by bonuses at the end of the contract.

bernard bluff

has any1 heard back from cso bout enumerator jobs

Zenga

There are an awful lot of people on this thread who can only seem to criticize. It is obvious that all of you have never been employed as a census enumerator.

I have and let me tell you all it is a hard job that gets paid very little. You will average about 200-250 a week for about 20-30 hours work.

In that time you will have:

-Some people who simply refuse to do the census form as youre part of some "government conspiracy" even though there has been a census for the last 2000 years!!
- Some people who are simply a little touched
- Some people who have zero english
- Some older people who are lonely and want you to spend all day there
- Some people who will verbally abuse you as much as possible
- Some people who ask for an irish form and then when you give it to them ask for an english one just to make your job that little bit harder

Also then there are time when you may have to call back to houses 10 or 15 times to try and get some one, and then you may find out the house is vacant...you get paid about €1 i think for that.


The breakdown of the pay is about €3.50 per completed household form. Now it seems like good money but when you add in the fact you have to call twice (at a minimum) and may spend 20 - 30 minutes filling out a form for somebody because they cant be arsed its not exactly well paid is it??

For everyone on here that is giving out about people on welfare. Ask yourselfs this. Would you take a different job that paid roughly 20-30 euros a week extra for an extra 20-30 hours a week work, on evenings and weekends and in that time you would get verbaly abused and agrivated by people who think youre doing them a favour??

No I didnt think so either.:rolleyes:

tenchi-fan

Zenga wrote: »

I have and let me tell you all it is a hard job that gets paid very little. You will average about 200-250 a week for about 20-30 hours work.

€8.30-€10 an hour? If I had no money I'd be glad of it.

Zenga wrote: »

Would you take a different job that paid roughly 20-30 euros a week extra for an extra 20-30 hours a week work...

I don't know if you realise this, but you're describing the welfare trap. If dole was €190 in the first year of unemployment, dropping to €80 after year 5, your question would be "Would you take a different job that paid roughly €120-€130 a week extra for 20-30 hours a week work..." you'll find the answer would be a resounding "Yes"

Bear in mind that not everyone gets the top rate of dole, so this job will suit a lot of people - which is evident by the amount of people who are applying for it!

Zenga

Ok Who can live on €80 a week?? If we are going to have a discussion you have to at least be a little bit practical about it. You cannot discriminate against someone who is unable to secure employment. The whole point of paying your USC & PRSI is that you will protected when youre on the dole, need medical attention or are an OAP. If this was back 5 years ago when there was 100% employment I would agree with you but in the current situation to try and get 450,000 people to live on €80 a week is ridiculous and it is what would happen as there is no employment out there. You seem to be living in a dreamworld. People are struggling on €188 a week simply because they were used to taking home €500 or €600 a week. To try and get them to cut again is uneconomical and plain unjust. I am working and take home about 430 a week after tax. Before Xmas I took home 460. I am happy to give the 30 a week to the tax man rather than cut people (like 2 of my brothers) who are not unemployed and are living day to day to get by. This is not the time to be castigating someone who is already in a whole heap of pain, we should be encouraging and supporting them as much as possible to help get them back on their feet, get their ego and sense of self worth back.

The most depressing thing about Ireland today is the sense of defeat. There are similar unemployment figures in both the US and the UK and they are working their way through it while were too busy grabbing sound bytes and pointing fingers. We need leadership who will tell us how it is, what pain we are going to suffer and just implement it.

Also one final question techni fan have you ever been a census enumerator??

People in glass houses dont throw stones please

tenchi-fan

Zenga wrote: »

Also one final question techni fan have you ever been a census enumerator??

No, but I worked in a nightclub on £2.75 an hour, a supermarket, a cinema and a kitchen. Many of those jobs involved cleaning toilets. So I'm usually pretty unsympathetic to people who turn their noses up at jobs.

Sephiroth_dude

I applied for this job,did anyone hear anything back yet?

AnnyHallsal

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

I applied for this job,did anyone hear anything back yet?

End of February it seems.

Sephiroth_dude

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

End of February it seems.

I see........thanks ,hope I got it.

gobo111

I've been accepted for one of these positions in Cork and while I'm happy to be back at work, even for such a short period of time, I am quite deeply concerned about losing job seekers allowance. I don't recieve rent allowance and If I was reduced to 100 euro a week income I would starve. My rent would be covered and that's pretty much it. I'm not looking for some sweet deal but I would like to continue to live. I'll be heading into the social welfare office tomorrow to see what the deal is. If I get answers I will post. I suspect that this will qualify as part time employment in which case you should be able to retain some payment, especially if you try to get as much as possible done on Sunday as i believe it is exempted from deductions.

Dudess

tomcollins97 wrote: »

The enumerator pay is higher than the dole averaged out over the 10 weeks. U also get paid mileage allowance.

I am confused as if u cannot live on this how are u surviving on the dole?

Also, as far as I know if you work part time but earn more than the dole in a week u are not entitled to a top up. If that was the case every worker would claim it!!

Presumably the OP wants to keep getting dole until they find a full-time job because this job is... very short-term?

sellerbarry wrote: »

;)They don't want to miss jeremy kyle.
:)They don't want to lose rent allowance.
:)They probably claim for a couple of kids.(This would make it a higher payment than job)


Probably one or two of the above are reasons.

My first visit to this forum - and the ****ishness that I expected on the very first thread I opened.
"Probably" - solid facts there.

claire983

No you wont, better check with social welfare

eastbono

As I posted before as soon as guidelines are given for people on JSB/JSA getting jobs for census I will post here. No guidelines so far. People getting these jobs are treated differently to people in casual employment. Any posts from people are only pure speculation until a directive arrives from the dept.

paffy69

I am in exact same boat.... have been offered a position but dont know if I can afford to do.?
10 weeks x Eur 198.00 = 1980.00 (dole).
10 weeks x job = 2200.00 (approx for 220 hours of work).


so 220 hours = 220 euro exta or 1 euro per hour...extra
and thats not taking expenses into account ...petrol etc....which is a minimal allocation and I believe multipal journeys may be required.

So I feel I am being asked to come off the dole (which i would very very happily do) and have less money and be worse off. When advertising for this position it was aimed at the unemployed to give them some assistance.....How can this be possible be, if you dont benefeit or if so only very marginally.
Work is great but unless you have been unemployed and in this situation, making the decision is hard....surely there has to be some insentive....

Will have to come off dole ....get paid the same as dole in bulk after completion of 10 weeks worked and then to top it iff
wait for dole to come thru again another six - 8weeks.... who exactly is going to pay the bills for the 10 weeks between start and completion of work ...and whos going to pay back log when waiting for dole again.....messy messy messy.

i WANT TO WORK....but I cannot afford to be on one cent less than the dole offers...even that doesn't pay the bills.....

People in same situation please add... employed people ...u think you understand....but believe me , its lovely to see things through tinted glasses....reality bites !!

MyKeyG

This is my own personal experience, but to be honest I got a different story from different people at the office.

If you look at your claim receipt in the Post Office you will notice that you are paid for 6 days. That's how the dole works. You claim for days you don't work. What happens in part time employment is you stop signing in and you have to fill out a special docket for submission to your Welfare Office every week indicating the days you worked signed by your employer. You then get paid the remaining days by cheque. I believe you can't claim anything if your employment is more than three days a week but I've heard conflicting storys.

Now here's the kick in the teeth. They don't care if you work 6 days a week for an hour and a half a day or how much you get for that day it's considered a days employment. I got a job for one evening a week last year as a kitman for FAI youth development. Leave out the kit before training. Drink tea and eat sandwiches for two hours chat with the tea lady and used kit into the bag after training. €80 for sitting on my arse, handy out. They didn't care that I was making more than the daily dole rate which at the time was about 37 per day they just cared that it was considered a days employment whether it was two hours or 8. I lost 37 from my dole and got 80 from the FAI. (and loads of free Ireland tracksuits and jackets and shorts and stuff but that's neither here nor there.

Cut a long story short what I'm saying is that in my experience your claim is based on daily employment not the amount you bring in.

Balagan

eastbono wrote: »

As I posted before as soon as guidelines are given for people on JSB/JSA getting jobs for census I will post here. No guidelines so far. People getting these jobs are treated differently to people in casual employment. Any posts from people are only pure speculation until a directive arrives from the dept.

Has the Department stated or intimated that such guidelines will be issued and if yes, is there a link to this info?

Is there precedent for the department treating people who get these jobs differently to people in casual employment and if there is a precedent, is there a link to details?

cee_jay

eastbono wrote: »

As I posted before as soon as guidelines are given for people on JSB/JSA getting jobs for census I will post here. No guidelines so far. People getting these jobs are treated differently to people in casual employment. Any posts from people are only pure speculation until a directive arrives from the dept.

I very much doubt there is something in legislation that states that people working for census should be treated differently.
It is casual employment and hence will be treated as such.

paffy69

Ok...went to the welfare office...asked them straight.
Here it is ..

I explained my dilema...

Q wel/off.... How many days will you be working?
A.... I will work approx 22hours throught he week....One day of which will be a Sunday , the rest will be devided mainly between Sat and maybe some nights if ness during the week.

Q.. So you will be working more than 3 days.
A...Not necessarily..... I will be given an allocation of so many houses and
my hours will be determined by how efficiently I can get them processed.

Q.. so you will work less than 30 hours and most probably only 3 days a week exclusive of Sunday.
A... Yes as far as I can make out....if I can plan that way (???)

Welfare office.... I suggest you state that you will be doing part time casual work for which you would be entitled to apply for relief for all the days you don't work...(ie.. 3days ) are as such approx 0.5 of a weekly benefit....in my case 188+10.50 for spouse =198.50
devide this by 6 = 33.08 x 3 for days you dont work = Eur 99.24

cso income Eur approx 220 + Eur 99.24 welfare = Eur 319.24

IF over 3 days worked excl. of sunday or over 30 hours you do not qualify.

She gave me some decleration of unemployment forms to fill in and stated if I do take up this position I must bring it to the CENTRAL (where your master file is held) welfare office without delay...not local as in my case ...and allow them process.
Your EMPLOYER...The 'cso' office must sign a slip to state what you have and have not worked....but I presume Area Supvr. could do this.

Casual workers on benefit get a cheque sent out to them every Friday for the duration (in my case Eur99.24).

On completion of ten weeks you should not have a waiting period to re-register...It should go through staright away without delay once you informed them that conditions have changed again... where again you would start claiming again from your local post office on your designated day.

In my case I am coming to the end of my 312 days allocated, any days within that 10 weeks which are stated as WORKED will be added on to the end... so 3 days approx for 10 weeks = 30 days will be the extension, so as such 342 days after first signing on, your payments will stop.

I presume your area Supvr is more concerned that work is done, welfare office said they have no way of checking how many days you did actually work , so work something out with employer. I will call mine today and revert if any fallbacks
I hope this finally answers most of our enquiries.....in truth she said I was 5th or 6th person to ask , they had received numerous enquiries and had not been supplied with any info unfortunately .(Considering 5000 positions) you would think two Government offices could communicate....but that seesm only possible when they are ringing on your door kissing your ass for votes!!!

paffy69

Seems its possibe, work 2 hours Tue + 2 hours Wed = 0 Tue + 4 Wed......
same diff....... if allocation done and 22 hours covered can write up to suit
Maybe not 100 % correct policy .....
What if Say ...for instance.. bad weather or what ever defers you from working a day..meaning you have to do double load on an alternative day, would you count that as two days or one....exactly...... its not fixed hours or shift, its just getting the job done // 22 hous a week.....the rest is open to debate....taking what welfare office said that no way of checking..... Best to clear with your local Supvr if they would comply with your line of thinking?......if not ..???/

cee_jay

paffy69 wrote: »

Seems its possibe, work 2 hours Tue + 2 hours Wed = 0 Tue + 4 Wed......
same diff....... if allocation done and 22 hours covered can write up to suit
Maybe not 100 % correct policy .....
What if Say ...for instance.. bad weather or what ever defers you from working a day..meaning you have to do double load on an alternative day, would you count that as two days or one....exactly...... its not fixed hours or shift, its just getting the job done // 22 hous a week.....the rest is open to debate....taking what welfare office said that no way of checking..... Best to clear with your local Supvr if they would comply with your line of thinking?......if not ..???/

Do not advocate or hint at fraud on this forum.

If you work 1 hour on any day, that is one days work for Social Welfare purposes. You cannot write up hours to suit your payment.