DJaying. On the Mic! 1,2...

Scubadevils

I can't help wonder if this thread has last the point of its existence.

leggo

electrogrimey wrote: »

Mate, talking shite on the microphone doesn't not suit just niche DJs, it doesn't suit any DJs. Commerical/Mobile DJs just think they have to talk shite just because they've seen other shite mobile/commercial DJs do it.

A DJ talking on a horrible sounding microphone sounds just as bad over Rihanna as it does over Carl Craig.

You really need to stick to the smart arse comments man. When you try and show knowledge it only shows off what you don't understand more than anything else.

A DJ's job, first and foremost, is to play to the crowd he's working for. If you know how to read a crowd (I get the feeling you don't), you'll be able to SEE that people relax more after you do something as simple as a welcome to the venue. I've done gigs were the house system was dodgy so I had to lay off the mic work and, as a result, you get a more hostile, edgy attitude because the crowd don't feel like you're approachable or like they know you. Whereas if you can have the banter or work a crowd just through good MC-ing, they will be more receptive and you can get down to just doing your job without worrying if they're on your side or not.

Never mind the fact that, whether you're playing in 21's or Twisted Pepper, your job is to keep punters in the venue to buy booze. End of. You can be as romantic as you like (and anyone who's read my posts knows I take pride in my work) but THAT'S the role of a DJ in the context we're discussing. So what if the venue wants you to tell people it's last orders? Would you start crying about the integrity of a you and your music? Would you expect to get a reaction ANYTHING other than them consequently pissing themselves laughing at you for being a deluded naive kid who might be able to mix but doesn't have a clue why he's doing it?

It's not going to make or break anyone's night, it probably won't even be remembered and it's not even ESSENTIAL if the DJ in question isn't good at it...but mic work CAN be a massive tool to add to your arsenal. You're there to entertain a crowd, talking can be entertaining if its done well and kept to a minimum, so to dismiss it entirely just shows you up as prejudiced at best and hopelessly naive at worst.

Now, let's go back to the routine where:

• I explain my opinion in simple, logical terms
• You go into denial because you think you've got this whole DJ-ing malarchy sewn up and won't even consider alternative viewpoints. Especially from someone who plays different music than the very specific genres you like to listen to. How could someone who has different tastes to you POSSIBLY know anything, after all??
• But since you don't actually have a logical argument, you just go back and make a smart remark.
• Or alternatively, you'll just pick a random point that stopped being discussed two pages ago and go "MYEH!" because you're obviously sitting at home, stewing and trying to think up reasons you're 'better' than me. Like a child.

Your move man.

BaZmO*

Leggo, no one cares about your "talents" or style of DJing, it's not relevant (in much the same way as your long winded posts that just go around in circles where you contradict yourself aren't relevant either)
It's out dated and just commercial, it's doesn't add anything to the art of music. As you've said yourself, you're there to play pap to p1ssheads so they'll stay longer and buy more beer. How difficult is it to put on "I've Got a Feeling" at 2am and watch the place go mental?

Having a debate with you about music is like discussing the comedy merits of Joe Pasquale when having a debate on alternative comedy.

electrogrimey

Wow, stench of internet warrior from you is great. I like your moxy.

leggo wrote: »

Would you expect to get a reaction ANYTHING other than them consequently pissing themselves laughing at you for being a deluded naive kid who might be able to mix but doesn't have a clue why he's doing it?

We both know why we're doing it, however, you're doing it for the money, and for the feeling of being the most important person in the room, whereas I'm doing it for love of music, like any respected DJ. The fact that your posts show that you have an over inflated sense of the importance of a DJ show this.

You have a different agenda when DJing to everyone else here, which is why your arguments aren't listened to. If a commercial DJ came in with the right mindset, I'd respect them.

highlydebased

It grinds my gears to hear DJ's doing mindnumbingly cheesy and pointless microphone things- putting on a fake "radio" voice to say things nobody has an interest in. This "lets see those hands c'mon" type carry on, I find highly irritating.

DJ making people stay to buy more drink? Unfortunate if it really is like that but I'll buy a drink if I want a drink, DJ is irrelevant.

Celtic3x

can i ask both leggo an every one else it seems in this post - is there not room for both types of people. like i must imagine if a pub / club hires a certain person there is a demand of some kind.? both types would be aiming at different ends of the market so not like ye would take each others jobs? .

electrogrimey

Celtic3x wrote: »

can i ask both leggo an every one else it seems in this post - is there not room for both types of people. like i must imagine if a pub / club hires a certain person there is a demand of some kind.? both types would be aiming at different ends of the market so not like ye would take each others jobs? .

But there's no reason the DJ in Coppers can't be as good as the DJ in the Twisted Pepper. There is a lot of music out there that people know, there's no need to play the same stale shite every night, mixed badly, which talking shite on a mic.

Chloroplast

electrogrimey wrote: »

But there's no reason the DJ in Coppers can't be as good as the DJ in the Twisted Pepper.

speechless....

Celtic3x

i agree with you on playing badly,i do not think they should be ask back if that is the case. but using your example if coppers wants a dj an they ring mr.x who plays the same music is that not what coppers wants,after all they book that person?

clubs & pubs no what type a crowd they are after after an people go there noing they will hear 80s 90s an chart i guess. were as you go down the road a little an you will get a different type dj an a different crowd?

i dont see why because he dj's different to you that he should get slated,after all hes enjoying himself , an some body is paying him for the plessure.

electrogrimey

Celtic3x wrote: »

i agree with you on playing badly,i do not think they should be ask back if that is the case. but using your example if coppers wants a dj an they ring mr.x who plays the same music is that not what coppers wants,after all they book that person?

clubs & pubs no what type a crowd they are after after an people go there noing they will hear 80s 90s an chart i guess. were as you go down the road a little an you will get a different type dj an a different crowd?

i dont see why because he dj's different to you that he should get slated,after all hes enjoying himself , an some body is paying him for the plessure.

Your post took a few times to read to understand. But anyway.

I don't mean the DJs in coppers should play techno, they could play the same music, but a lot better, if they bothered.

Chloroplast

Celtic3x wrote: »

i agree with you on playing badly,i do not think they should be ask back if that is the case. but using your example if coppers wants a dj an they ring mr.x who plays the same music is that not what coppers wants,after all they book that person?

clubs & pubs no what type a crowd they are after after an people go there noing they will hear 80s 90s an chart i guess. were as you go down the road a little an you will get a different type dj an a different crowd?

i dont see why because he dj's different to you that he should get slated,after all hes enjoying himself , an some body is paying him for the plessure.

^^Indeed,

and this is a massive problem with this forum section. there has been personal attacks on leggo here, and maybe others, (couldn't be arsed running trough the whole thread) and not a single thing gets done about it.

dont get me wrong, im not taking sides here, don't dare accuse me of that,i hate the chart ****e,, but at the end of the day, commercial djs have as much as right to post and discuss stuff here as much as electronic based djs.

when there's slander against the commercial jocks,like here, absolutely nothing gets done, but if someone was to insult jeff or electrogrimey, there be bann hammers out in a flash, thats why you see fuk all people posting on this section , and thats why you see the same old heads posting over and over again, because its bollox....

suppose im gettin banned for that now too am i ?

jtsuited

haha chloroplast, i've got plenty of abuse(and welcome it for the most part) and nobody got banned.

you got banned from a different section of boards before for taking a go at me....I'd actually say Zascar and Felix would give you a pat on the back here if you took a go at me.

Chloroplast

well jeff, my views aint personally aimed at anyone, im just posting how i see it. and believe me , it is how i see it. if im wrong, someone please put me right.

electrogrimey

Chloroplast wrote: »

^^Indeed,

and this is a massive problem with this forum section. there has been personal attacks on leggo here, and maybe others, (couldn't be arsed running trough the whole thread) and not a single thing gets done about it.

dont get me wrong, im not taking sides here, don't dare accuse me of that,i hate the chart ****e,, but at the end of the day, commercial djs have as much as right to post and discuss stuff here as much as electronic based djs.

when there's slander against the commercial jocks,like here, absolutely nothing gets done, but if someone was to insult jeff or electrogrimey, there be bann hammers out in a flash, thats why you see fuk all people posting on this section , and thats why you see the same old heads posting over and over again, because its bollox....

suppose im gettin banned for that now too am i ?

Have you read any of Leggo's posts? He's spent the whole time slagging us off.

jtsuited

Chloroplast wrote: »

fuk all people posting on this section , and thats why you see the same old heads posting over and over again, because its bollox....

to be fair, there's a core group on every forum. a good few of us know each other so there's always gonna be a clique element to it.

comparitively speaking, there's quite a large group of regular posters on here.

jtsuited

Chloroplast wrote: »

well jeff, my views aint personally aimed at anyone, im just posting how i see it. and believe me , it is how i see it. if im wrong, someone please put me right.

well if you can tell me who got banned for insulting me or frankie on this forum recently, then you've proved your point. but i'd think you'd struggle to find anything like it.

Chloroplast

@ electrgrimey

yeah but, c,mon like, are we gonna get into a game of "who started it first" .

the OP was looking for info, tips , whatever,

he got ass raped the second he got in the door. leggo made a fairly educated post helping him out, he got ass raped too,(by the looks of it)

i understand there may be hostility over other things, but at the end of the day, there's no commercial dj section and the main forum has "djing" in it. so maybe we gotta make room ,lay off, of make a new section.

Celtic3x

i dont post much, an a member with 3 years,but from what i see boards has become more of a slagging website.

i would like to learn from other members but half time people are fighting with each other.

there is so much music avalible now yes they could change it up an play some thing different. but from reading all this thread you seem to have it in for the other fella because he is "commerical" .

id love to hear some thing different now an then,but what is your advice to him. what songs,era's you reccomend? lets start with helping each other not a fight on who is the better dj our anti "comerical". start a new thread for that.

jtsuited

ah hold on, leggo came on to this forum immediately slating the collective opinion of the board, winding everyone up (not me, I wasn't around for it), and then implied he had some private information on some board members (whatever the feck that was about).

If you behave like the way Leggo did, you're gonna receive a backlash.

Chloroplast

jtsuited wrote: »

well if you can tell me who got banned for insulting me or frankie on this forum recently, then you've proved your point. but i'd think you'd struggle to find anything like it.

well, my ban with you, i deserved, coz it was an uber mega attack,, so that wouldnt count.

and no your dead right, i cant and wont find one single person who was banned for insulting you or frankie, but i droped both your names there in that post because i think its all just a little too pally around here with a few individuals.

i just see folk here, ripping the **** outa some other folk and nothing getting done. i think its bollox. that be all.

Scubadevils

Chloroplast wrote: »

well, my ban with you, i deserved, coz it was an uber mega attack,, so that wouldnt count.

and no your dead right, i cant and wont find one single person who was banned for insulting you or frankie, but i droped both your names there in that post because i think its all just a little too pally around here with a few individuals.

i just see folk here, ripping the **** outa some other folk and nothing getting done. i think its bollox. that be all.

Its called debate, where personal abuse comes about its different, and a couple of the regulars here have had to be called upon at times for their choice of words over the last while. I think leggo has argued his corner just as much as anyone else. This would be a very bloody boring place if we issued bans for people expressing an opinion on something!

As has been said before, if you have an issue with how this forum is moderated, I suggest you take your complaint to feedback or PM a Cmod...

jtsuited

Chloroplast wrote: »

well, my ban with you, i deserved, coz it was an uber mega attack,, so that wouldnt count.

and no your dead right, i cant and wont find one single person who was banned for insulting you or frankie, but i droped both your names there in that post because i think its all just a little too pally around here with a few individuals.

i just see folk here, ripping the **** outa some other folk and nothing getting done. i think its bollox. that be all.

haha mega attack indeed, but tbh if you did it in this forum, i'm 99% sure you'd get away with it.

Sorry for us being pally. although to be fair we give frankie a load of abuse on a daily basis.......he takes it well though. the wanker!

Chloroplast

Scubadevils wrote: »

As has been said before, if you have an issue with how this forum is moderated, I suggest you take your complaint to feedback or PM a Cmod...

ahhh, that old chestnut!

Scubadevils

Chloroplast wrote: »

ahhh, that old chestnut!

Well you've fck all basis for your argument so either talk to someone who may care or shut up moaning.

Chloroplast

Scubadevils wrote: »

Well you've fck all basis for your argument so either talk to someone who may care or shut up moaning.

ahh right, is this the part where i get all upitty up, and post my way into a bann ?

im tellin the Cmod's on you! now your in for it...

Scubadevils

Chloroplast wrote: »

ahh right, is this the part where i get all upitty up, and post my way into a bann ?

im tellin the Cmod's on you! now your in for it...

I dunno, slim chance of me banning you so post all you like! Unless of course you break some rule, in which case I have to act accordingly...

Chloroplast

Scubadevils wrote: »

I dunno, slim chance of me banning you so post all you like! Unless of course you break some rule, in which case I have to act accordingly...

well i put it to you like this, if i posted what i truly thought of you right now because of your "talk to someone who may care or shut up moaning" attitude, id say it would be without a shadow of a doubt a permanent bann.

enjoy moderating the forums, lol.

jtsuited

yeah like calling Frankie a wanker. Someone did that earlier.

Scubadevils

Chloroplast wrote: »

well i put it to you like this, if i posted what i truly thought of you right now because of your "talk to someone who may care or shut up moaning" attitude, id say it would be without a shadow of a doubt a permanent bann.

enjoy moderating the forums, lol.

Yes, lol indeed. Thanks for your input though, its been truly enlightening.

leggo

As I've said before...I can give as much as I take here. And I'm a big boy so I've no problem if people say what they want to me.

However, Chloroplast is bang on the money. And he's just one of the people who've spoken up. Over the couple weeks, I've had SEVERAL people texting and mailing me thanking me (I don't think Chloroplast is one of the people who got in touch personally) for posting here and saying what's been on people's mind for far too long.

I think the modding of this forum is very good in one way and a let-down in another. They keep the regulars happy and aren't ban-happy (like other forums) but don't provide a good environment for new people or people with different tastes/interests to post. This thread is a perfect example. The smart remarks should have been cut out and the mods should have made sure that the OP's question was answered in a sensible fashion. The argument that ensued could have easily been avoided. Instead, they're sitting back and letting the regulars run wild. Mainly because they share the same opinion as the regulars.

As I've said before, when you're given the responsibility of running the only forum on boards for DJ-ing...it's incredibly unfair that you let regular posters treat other DJs who don't agree with their viewpoint like ****. What non-niche DJ, who earns money for their work, would be ARSED posting here after reading the ****e that's been said in a thread asking a simple question?

This forum doesn't deserve the DJ-ing tag. Plain and simple. You can let the inmates run the asylum with Electronic Music all you want. There's only about 10-15 regular posters here that I can see. Be as inbred and snobby as you want for all anyone cares. But you're doing a massive disservice to DJs in Ireland - on Ireland's biggest message board - by letting all DJ-ing topics that DARE to veer against the opinion of said 10-12 regulars into such a mess, time and again.