The pothunters are out in force!

johngalway

Well it didn't take long, I'll give them that much. Landrovers, mucky spaniels in boots of cars, cartridge belts on lads in the village.

Didn't see any of them out in the snow killing vermin mind you :rolleyes:

clivej

Well John I hope to be one of them soon when the shotty license comes through, minus the landrover, and mucky spaniels, just the wellies and cartridge belt that's all I will have.

johngalway

I might try for a duck or two next week if I get the chance Clive, but you & I have earned them

wirehairmax

Aren't we entitled to be out today? Is it not still the season for it? The ban was too long anyway. I was out at first light this morning even with the flu. Each to their own I say without the sarky comments. Some lads live for the birds and are not into fox shooting. I know lots of lads who are shotgun men only and dont own rifles therefore are not set up for vermin shooting. Oh and I got 2 birds for the ''pot''.

snipe02

johngalway wrote: »

I might try for a duck or two next week if I get the chance Clive, but you & I have earned them

ya might not see the ducks with that cloud of smug around ya ...he he he:P i had a great day today 2 pheasants 2 woodcock a mallard a teal a grey crow a pigeon and a rabbit.. my friend shot the rabbit the pigeon and one of the woodcock. the mallard and teal was a double did not see anyone out only heard two shots in the distance everyone that obeyed the ban deserves to be out today whether they shoot vermin or not .

dicky82

was out myself today john, although im not set up for foxes, i was hitting the greys and mags during the cold snap, maybe the lads down your way know you have the foxes sewn up;) so it would be a waste of time going out. on the other hand they could be lazy farts who dont bother:D

Glensman

In fairness to most of the pothunters around here (me being one) we all do a lot of vermin control. Where we were hunting on St. Stephen's we've taken 22 foxes between bullets and snares- god knows how many grey crows, and a few feral cats...

sean raff

prob the latter dicky i have had same problem in other gun
clubs,

Savage93

+1 John. some of these lads will bleat about foxes and mink killing "their" birds loud enough,

Dupont

was out today got a lovely pheasant and woodcock,shot some mags and greys rooks in the snow but couldnt bring myself to eat them:D

deeksofdoom

johngalway wrote: »

I might try for a duck or two next week if I get the chance Clive, but you & I have earned them

Your going to look some sight, head to toe in brand new cabelas gear, duck calls, decoys, hand warmers..... and no dog :D:D........... best of luck with that one John!

cavan shooter

there is a big difference between a lad out for a shot who is a keen hunter and a "fkin Pot hunter". Dont mix these up as defined previously.;)

johngalway

You know lads, ye'd want to catch yerselves on regarding the difference between a hunter and a "pot hunter".

Pot hunters being the lads who only shoot what they can eat. Don't feed anything, don't do any vermin control, don't raise a hand to do a tap of work for anyone besides themselves.

I think this is more personal sniping than much else, lads with attitudes mounting high horses again, God gave ye a brain between mouths and typing fingers, handy to use it the odd occasion :rolleyes:

johngalway

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Your going to look some sight, head to toe in brand new cabelas gear, duck calls, decoys, hand warmers..... and no dog :D:D........... best of luck with that one John!

It's LL Bean gear
Won't need the call, only want one
Have but won't need the decoys as I feed'um
Won't need the dawg as I won't be shooting them over where I can't recover them myself

Fail to prepare, skinning cats, and so forth

deeksofdoom

So your shooting one for the pot.... is that not pot hunting?

johngalway

deeksofdoom wrote: »

So your shooting one for the pot.... is that not pot hunting?

I know you've read the thread, so look elsewhere for an argument

deeksofdoom

johngalway wrote: »

I know you've read the thread, so look elsewhere for an argument

For a second there I thought you were Sparks!:rolleyes:

johngalway

deeksofdoom wrote: »

For a second there I thought you were Sparks!:rolleyes:

That was a productive 59 minutes

meathshooter1

johngalway wrote: »

the difference between a hunter and a "pot hunter".

Pot hunters being the lads who only shoot what they can eat. Don't feed anything, don't do any vermin control, don't raise a hand to do a tap of work for anyone besides themselves.

:rolleyes:

have come across a few of them over the years myself john. they drive around spoting from the car shoot them on the ground wont give a hand when it comes to pens, vermin control even to hold the lamp rather be in the pub telling tales of the biggest pheasant.I dont mind the lad who genuine cant help due to work or family comittments but there are a lot people who just take take take and give noting in return.that why I stick to myself the sons and a few trusted friends.have the battery on charge all day and Im going for a stroll with the sons and 223 a nice way to start the new year.

johngalway

That's the very thing MS I remember at a gun club meeting, myself and my mate John told them if they didn't get a hold on the greycrows, magpies, mink and foxes they'd only end up feeding them. Never saw as many lads examining their footwear or scratching themselves The very same lads I came across in the village

Savage93

I know what you mean, I was a club member here for 2 years, had to be to get licensed, €200 per year, went to every meeting, heloed out at every club event, blue in the face from asking which lands were club permissions or for a map, no result, couple of sound members showed me around "their favourite patches, the rest waste of time. Club rears pheasant in 2 pens , opposite ends of the club area, same faces involved, a member suggested moving the pens into the centre of the club area and was shot down, turns out the 2 groups managing the pens had their own "private " permissions outside of and adjoining the extremities of club lands which is where most birds drifted to, these lads had lots of pheasant with the club paying for them.
I left after 2 years , now have c. 1,500 acres shooting from talking to landowners and helping with fox control for farmers.

Met some club members on some of this in November whereupon they ordered me off the club lands as I wasn't a member, whipped out the mobile, rang landowner , who asked me to put the phone on speaker and said that his land was not club land and promptly ordered them to F**K off and never again to enter his lands.

bunny shooter

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

Good to see you are over your illness Bunny

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Good to see you are over your illness Bunny

Cheers Tac, I apprecate that

Was rough, worst dose I ever had :eek::( Not completely over it yet even :eek:

Have you been visiting somewhere else :P

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Cheers Tac, I apprecate that

Was rough, worst dose I ever had :eek::( Not completely over it yet even :eek:

Have you been visiting somewhere else :P

Tis a small Island


I heard this was you on Friday;)

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Tis a small Island


I heard this was you on Friday;)

interesting...........I'm assuming the hint is "Cork"

MarkD.

Been out nearly every night for the last week trying to get foxes with two other members of our local club. (Im dying with the flu the last 3 days) Been out all over Xmas shooting crows damaging crop on club ground.
We met one of the hierarcy out one day with his dog and a gun prowling around bushes during the ban.. At last meeting I asked how many do vermin control answer was "The two lads you shoot with are the only ones in the club" yet yesterday and the day before was like world war 3 around here with all the shots going off. We were'nt out because we knew we'd bump into every tom dick and harry..

Its a fact of life, there will always be those who are willing to do more then others. While the others take the bounty and gold

meathshooter1

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

takes our minds off this recession:D but seriously our sport as a whole is better off with the game clubs personally I have a lot to thank them for

badshot

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

you're spot on

cavan shooter

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

Thats because there are a good few shooters out their that need to be whinged about, such as, "fckn pothunters and their ilk":D

see previous discussion
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957566&highlight=hunter&page=4

John_Rambo

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

+ 1. No wonder there are hardly any anti-hunt people in Ireland, seems hunters are anti-each other. This is a thread started by a moderator in the hunting forum bitching and sniping at other hunters! OP, maybe you should start a "pot" hunt sab gang? Don't infract me, I am stating the obvious here, you really could have worded that post a lot better. It looks a bit childish.

MarkD.

Forgive me if I word this all wrong and it comes out like pure waffle...

But I try do as much vermin control as I can when Ive time I grab the gun and just go out and about pass some time. Not boasting or blowing my trumpet but if my digi cam was working id have pics of crows etc etc..

But I went out today for pheasants on my own permissions (also where we do vermin control) and club grounds , I wanted one for a bite to eat or maybe if it was a nice flashy looking big bird id get it stuffed and admire it as the 1st phezzie I ever shot

My question is- after touring about today am I classed as a pot hunter/sorta trophy hunter?? or a "hunter"?? Im confused as to which is which as my collins dictionary only give me single word definitions and not slang.. I know a trophy hunter is associated with deer but if I shot a pheasant and stuffed in then its a trophy I presume. And yes I read the previous thread were there was a discussion about pot hunter and a pot hunter is associated with lads bickering about price hikes and not being able to shoot. I hummed and haaa'd about the cold weather ban, so do I fall into pot hunter category. I also went on vast amount of lands today just trying to get a bird. Walked walked and walked, men and dog said we'd pack in in for another day.

PS Im not picking at or on anyone or trying to start an argument Im just trying to see what people make of what I did today and what their views are on what I stated in paragraph two and three..

johngalway

wirehairmax wrote: »

Some lads live for the birds and are not into fox shooting. I know lots of lads who are shotgun men only and dont own rifles therefore are not set up for vermin shooting. Oh and I got 2 birds for the ''pot''.

And some lads are just bone idle lazy. No lad even needs a gun to do a bit, they can help build a pen, feed, water, whatever. No gun is needed to live trap rats, mink, crows, or magpies, plus the availability of fenn, bodygrip & kania traps. A suggested method of mink dispatch from NUIG was car exhaust. A priest or wringing the neck will do for crows & mags. The funny thing about shotguns is they actually kill vermin too!

cavan shooter wrote: »

Thats because there are a good few shooters out their that need to be whinged about, such as, "fckn pothunters and their ilk":D

see previous discussion
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957566&highlight=hunter&page=4

Cheers Cavan I had been looking for that thread without success.

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

It's funny when I comment on pot hunters bunny you do some moaning, yet when others do you thank their posts? Like I said, it's personal from some quarters.

John_Rambo wrote: »

+ 1. No wonder there are hardly any anti-hunt people in Ireland, seems hunters are anti-each other. This is a thread started by a moderator in the hunting forum bitching and sniping at other hunters! OP, maybe you should start a "pot" hunt sab gang? Don't infract me, I am stating the obvious here, you really could have worded that post a lot better. It looks a bit childish.

Ah yes, the anti argument, listen, that's the sound of one hand clapping, well done you JR. I've done a lot more vermin control than a lot of people here and elsewhere.

I say this has turned personal because that's the truth of the matter. I commented on a group of people I've known for a very long time, in a small community. People who don't stir unless they can eat what they shoot. None of the hurlers on the ditch in this thread know them, but that didn't stop ye commenting.

A few people here seem to have taken offense to my comments. Well, tough. I never once called any member here a pot hunter. Not Deeks, not Bunny, not anyone. But away ye went anyhow on various rants.

Point as many fingers as ye like lads, ye're own comments reflect worse on yourselves than any misinterpreted comment of mine.

If YOU consider yourselves pothunters, as defined on this thread or the one Cavan linked to, again, that's your own problems. I'd be surprised as I didn't consider any of ye pothunters to be quite honest. In a PM I received it was claimed I insulted all of the rough shooters on this board. I'll address that by saying my post was grossly misinterpreted by some, and used as basis for personal attacks by others. I do not, and I never have put a pot hunter on the level of a rough shooter. Just as I don't equal a lamper to a poacher.

Most all of the anti JG posts in this thread should be examined, see if I actually posted anything like was said I did. Not that the truth should get in the way of a witch hunt like, that wouldn't be in good sport now would it :rolleyes:

kermitpwee

johngalway wrote: »

And some lads are just bone idle lazy. No lad even needs a gun to do a bit, they can help build a pen, feed, water, whatever. No gun is needed to live trap rats, mink, crows, or magpies, plus the availability of fenn, bodygrip & kania traps. A suggested method of mink dispatch from NUIG was car exhaust. A priest or wringing the neck will do for crows & mags. The funny thing about shotguns is they actually kill vermin too!



Cheers Cavan I had been looking for that thread without success.



It's funny when I comment on pot hunters bunny you do some moaning, yet when others do you thank their posts? Like I said, it's personal from some quarters.



Ah yes, the anti argument, listen, that's the sound of one hand clapping, well done you JR. I've done a lot more vermin control than a lot of people here and elsewhere.

I say this has turned personal because that's the truth of the matter. I commented on a group of people I've known for a very long time, in a small community. People who don't stir unless they can eat what they shoot. None of the hurlers on the ditch in this thread know them, but that didn't stop ye commenting.

A few people here seem to have taken offense to my comments. Well, tough. I never once called any member here a pot hunter. Not Deeks, not Bunny, not anyone. But away ye went anyhow on various rants.

Point as many fingers as ye like lads, ye're own comments reflect worse on yourselves than any misinterpreted comment of mine.

If YOU consider yourselves pothunters, as defined on this thread or the one Cavan linked to, again, that's your own problems. I'd be surprised as I didn't consider any of ye pothunters to be quite honest. In a PM I received it was claimed I insulted all of the rough shooters on this board. I'll address that by saying my post was grossly misinterpreted by some, and used as basis for personal attacks by others. I do not, and I never have put a pot hunter on the level of a rough shooter. Just as I don't equal a lamper to a poacher.

Most all of the anti JG posts in this thread should be examined, see if I actually posted anything like was said I did. Not that the truth should get in the way of a witch hunt like, that wouldn't be in good sport now would it :rolleyes:

I have to say as a neutral observer of this thread that I think it has been blown out of all proportion. When I read it first at no time did I think that the Op was having a Pot shot at me, no pun intended. I thought he was having a pot at the locals in his area which I guess he is entitled to do. I guess I'm not that sensitive or something:D

No6

Being relatively new to hunting I have been a little confused about the defination of a pot hunter, One of my neighbours commented about another being a pot hunter last year when he was happily shooting away during the ban last year, its a good job he can't hit a barn door never mind a phesant!! Personally I think any game species we shoot should be for the pot and any I do I eat, I do however shoot a lot more foxes and while someone here did claim to pass of some rancid fox as venison to another I'll not eat them yet!!! All the same I am glad I now know I am not a pothunter!!:D

johngalway

No6 wrote: »

Being relatively new to hunting I have been a little confused about the defination of a pot hunter, One of my neighbours commented about another being a pot hunter last year when he was happily shooting away during the ban last year, its a good job he can't hit a barn door never mind a phesant!! Personally I think any game species we shoot should be for the pot and any I do I eat, I do however shoot a lot more foxes and while someone here did claim to pass of some rancid fox as venison to another I'll not eat them yet!!! All the same I am glad I now know I am not a pothunter!!:D

The difference is simple enough, it's not about eating or not eating.

The pot hunter will only go out to shoot something to eat. They won't do any vermin control, any club work, or any work to encourage or increase the game species habitat, ok?

The hunter, rough shooter, whatever, will do some or all of that work plus go out and shoot the duck, fezzer or whatever

The pot hunter just takes, end of story.

The hunter/rough shooter will take, but also give something back!

MarkD.

johngalway wrote: »

The difference is simple enough, it's not about eating or not eating.

The pot hunter will only go out to shoot something to eat. They won't do any vermin control, any club work, or any work to encourage or increase the game species habitat, ok?

The hunter, rough shooter, whatever, will do some or all of that work plus go out and shoot the duck, fezzer or whatever

The pot hunter just takes, end of story.

The hunter/rough shooter will take, but also give something back!

Thanks for clearing that up.

A pot hunter is someone who doesnt give anything back to society basically..

johngalway

MarkD. wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up.

A pot hunter is someone who doesnt give anything back to society basically..

Society, that's a bit broader than I'd suggest. They give nothing back to/put no work into their sport/quarry.

Birdnuts

Beleive me, there will be alot more pot-hunters out and about in the coming years given the way this country is headed!!

Savage93

bunny shooter wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me how much shooters whinge about other shooters.

If telling my story about my experiences with a new club after moving into a new area is whinging then yes I am whinging, didn't realise that offering opinions was just the perogative of "the few". I have had the pleasure of knowing some great guys hunting over the years but, unfortunately have also come across the other extreme in my time.

fiestaman

kermitpwee wrote: »

I have to say as a neutral observer of this thread that I think it has been blown out of all proportion. When I read it first at no time did I think that the Op was having a Pot shot at me, no pun intended. I thought he was having a pot at the locals in his area which I guess he is entitled to do. I guess I'm not that sensitive or something:D

I totally agree. Lads your going over the top with this. John wasnt talking about anybody on ere. Pothunters will always be around and we all kno a few, if not a few to many. Any of us could have started a thread like that about the lads we kno in our club but we would not have been talking about anybody on ere.

jap gt

MarkD. wrote: »

Forgive me if I word this all wrong and it comes out like pure waffle...

But I try do as much vermin control as I can when Ive time I grab the gun and just go out and about pass some time. Not boasting or blowing my trumpet but if my digi cam was working id have pics of crows etc etc..

Did you get the licence mark, that was quick turn around

wirehairmax

John_Rambo wrote: »

+ 1. No wonder there are hardly any anti-hunt people in Ireland, seems hunters are anti-each other. This is a thread started by a moderator in the hunting forum bitching and sniping at other hunters! OP, maybe you should start a "pot" hunt sab gang? Don't infract me, I am stating the obvious here, you really could have worded that post a lot better. It looks a bit childish.

plus 1!

I dont think a moderator should be starting threads like this and making childish comments along the way. Just go out and enjoy your hunting without getting hung up on what other people are doing. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands Johngalway. Id love to spend all my spare time out shooting or looking after the land and the game and then going home to go online to tell everybody about the fox and crow I shot today. Unfortunately there are bills to pay and the market for crow, magpie and fox carcass is on its knees at the moment.
Oh well, I have to grow up and get on with life and get out when I can and enjoy what I do instead of turning it into a crusade and being a martyr.
Live and let live. If they're not doing anything illegal and are not interfering with you personally, the ''pothunters'' are hurting nobody. If they've paid their subs to the club and are insured they are perfectly entitled to shoot the land. Bring it up at the AGM if its really biting you. What if they start shooting ''your'' foxes? Will you be on here singing their praises?

jap gt

i think lads where getting a bit carried away now, johns post annoyed me a little when i first read it, but i assume he is talking about his own area and not hunters in general, john shoots a lot of foxes and does a great job at it, but shooting foxes doesnt mean you are more entitled to shoot pheasants or duck than the next fella, some fellas will spend time rearing feeding etc and being a mod or not should have sweet **** all to do with what you can post on here

that isnt a dig at john or anyone else, i think threads like this with a load of bitchy comments does no good to any of our sport

johngalway

wirehairmax wrote: »

plus 1!

I dont think a moderator should be starting threads like this and making childish comments along the way. Just go out and enjoy your hunting without getting hung up on what other people are doing. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands Johngalway. Id love to spend all my spare time out shooting or looking after the land and the game and then going home to go online to tell everybody about the fox and crow I shot today. Unfortunately there are bills to pay and the market for crow, magpie and fox carcass is on its knees at the moment.
Oh well, I have to grow up and get on with life and get out when I can and enjoy what I do instead of turning it into a crusade and being a martyr.
Live and let live. If they're not doing anything illegal and are not interfering with you personally, the ''pothunters'' are hurting nobody. If they've paid their subs to the club and are insured they are perfectly entitled to shoot the land. Bring it up at the AGM if its really biting you. What if they start shooting ''your'' foxes? Will you be on here singing their praises?

I won't be drawn into a personal argument with you wirehairmax, regardless of how wrong you are.

When you cannot see the benefit of people putting something back into their sport I don't need to say another word.

jap gt

i think this thread should be locked now, what is it round here lately between antis and lads bitching and moaning over stupid things

Cass

This thread has gone from a user (cause mods are users too) posting a personal observation of people known to him in his locality to a full blown personal attack and insulting session on each other.

Read the charter rules again lads (ladies). No personal insults, no personal abuse of other members, and the #1 boards rule Don't be a dick.

If you have an issue with a post use the report post button and allow the mods to deal with it. Anymore of this nonsense and the thread will be closed again permanently and users infracted.

bunny shooter

johngalway wrote: »

.........It's funny when I comment on pot hunters bunny you do some moaning, yet when others do you thank their posts? Like I said, it's personal from some quarters.

Is that in the same way your moaning about these as yet unamed people isn't?

Don't flatter yourself that there is anything "personal" between us

And it is an observation and a comment. You know I whinge more eloquently than that

johngalway wrote: »

.........A few people here seem to have taken offense to my comments. Well, tough. I never once called any member here a pot hunter. Not Deeks, not Bunny, not anyone. But away ye went anyhow on various rants.

You can call me what you like. I've VERY thick skin

wirehairmax wrote: »

..........I dont think a moderator should be starting threads like this and making childish comments along the way. Just go out and enjoy your hunting without getting hung up on what other people are doing. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands Johngalway. Id love to spend all my spare time out shooting or looking after the land and the game and then going home to go online to tell everybody about the fox and crow I shot today. Unfortunately there are bills to pay and the market for crow, magpie and fox carcass is on its knees at the moment.
Oh well, I have to grow up and get on with life and get out when I can and enjoy what I do instead of turning it into a crusade and being a martyr.
Live and let live. If they're not doing anything illegal and are not interfering with you personally, the ''pothunters'' are hurting nobody. If they've paid their subs to the club and are insured they are perfectly entitled to shoot the land. Bring it up at the AGM if its really biting you. What if they start shooting ''your'' foxes? Will you be on here singing their praises?

Here, here, most sense I've seen written here in a long time :cool:

johngalway wrote: »

..........When you cannot see the benefit of people putting something back into their sport I don't need to say another word.

I think all the long term game hunters here agree with you but some of US have given up whinging and just get on with REALITY

jap gt wrote: »

i think this thread should be locked now, what is it round here lately between antis and lads bitching and moaning over stupid things

Bad enough all the bitching within the target crowds. Now it's spread to the hunters too :eek:

johngalway

1. I haven't called you anything, this is more of inventing stuff that I've not said

2. Am bemused by the flattery bit. What is curious is how you agreed with Cavans post regarding pot hunters, then snipe at my post which says the exact same thing.

3. Pot hunters exist in reality

Not a single poster has yet given a reasonable answer as to why people took my OP so personally? Given the stark lack of that answer I can only draw assumptions.

bunny shooter

johngalway wrote: »

1. I haven't called you anything, this is more of inventing stuff that I've not said

2. Am bemused by the flattery bit. What is curious is how you agreed with Cavans post regarding pot hunters, then snipe at my post which says the exact same thing.

3. Pot hunters exist in reality

Not a single poster has yet given a reasonable answer as to why people took my OP so personally? Given the stark lack of that answer I can only draw assumptions.

What's the problem here? Is it my inability to write comprehendably in English?

Or is it you're ability to comprehend written passages?

I'll explain...........

1. You said you didn't call me a pot hunter and I replied you could if you wanted as I've a VERY thick skin

2. Not as bemused as me to why you think my post was a personal insult or whatever towards you.

3. I know, what I was saying was there isn't much the non pothunters can do about it in REALITY.

You don't really put much argumentative content into your own posts. I'd stick to the story telling if I were you

Sparks

bunny shooter wrote: »

Bad enough all the bitching within the target crowds. Now it's spread to the hunters too :eek:

History exams must be very easy in your world Bunny, what with not having to remember what actually happened and being able to just make **** up and call it canon