Depression

@Wibbs

@Wibbs, so you're basically saying that if you're not clinically depressed, or anything along those lines, you just cannot claim to be depressed? Like for instance, if you're in a really bad job, you're living with really bad housemates.

WesternNight

Deleted User wrote: »

@Wibbs, so you're basically saying that if you're not clinically depressed, or anything along those lines, you just cannot claim to be depressed? Like for instance, if you're in a really bad job, you're living with really bad housemates.

I'd be more likely to use words like sad or frustrated or fed-up or unhappy etc rather than depressed.

Wibbs

Yep pretty much. Now a bad situation could in time depending on the mental strength and other individual factors turn into something more clinical, but IMHO comparing one to the other is like comparing a tension headache to a brain tumour. Worse, being medicated for something like that is beyond daft. And worst of all comparing and equating such things as depression makes out those with real problems as being frivolous.

mikom

Deleted User wrote: »

Like for instance, if you're in a really bad job, you're living with really bad housemates.

These are things that winning 100 euro on a scratch card or having a quick roll in the hay would give you a lift out of for a day or so.
With real depression you would not be even bothered to pick up the coin or drop your trousers.

t0mm13b

@Wibbs:

Well, judging by your postings, it seems as if you want to kill this thread by arguing about what "you think" - wanting facts or proof in your hands....

I can say something to you - Consider yourself very lucky not to experience the blackness hovering over your life with no joy, not able to laugh, isolated, not able to get out of bed, four walls closing in on you, suffocating every move you make...and just drifting in water with no direction, and feeling hollow....

Lucky you are... but don't try knock others...

WesternNight

t0mm13b wrote: »

@Wibbs:

Well, judging by your postings, it seems as if you want to kill this thread by arguing about what "you think" - wanting facts or proof in your hands....

I can say something to you - Consider yourself very lucky not to experience the blackness hovering over your life with no joy, not able to laugh, isolated, not able to get out of bed, four walls closing in on you, suffocating every move you make...and just drifting in water with no direction, and feeling hollow....

Lucky you are... but don't try knock others...

Oh come on.

There is a big difference between clinically depressed and, say, "a bit fed up". I don't see anything wrong with saying that not everyone who *thinks* they're depressed or claims to be, is actually depressed in the real sense. If anything, it's important to make that distinction so that real, honest-to-god depression is treated appropriately and not confused with (either by medical professionals or by the public in general) a self-indulgent sulking phase that can be mistaken for depression these days.

That's not belittling depression. Quite the opposite.

cleremy jarkson

t0mm13b wrote: »

@Wibbs:

Well, judging by your postings, it seems as if you want to kill this thread by arguing about what "you think" - wanting facts or proof in your hands....

I can say something to you - Consider yourself very lucky not to experience the blackness hovering over your life with no joy, not able to laugh, isolated, not able to get out of bed, four walls closing in on you, suffocating every move you make...and just drifting in water with no direction, and feeling hollow....

Lucky you are... but don't try knock others...

You know, it is possible to have suffered/ suffer from clinical depression but to also hold objective rational opinions on the matter.

Wibbs

t0mm13b wrote: »

@Wibbs:

Well, judging by your postings, it seems as if you want to kill this thread by arguing about what "you think" - wanting facts or proof in your hands....

Facts and proof would be nice alright. As opposed to what? Emo ramblings around what is a very serious illness and danger to the individual and society? Yea I'll take facts and proof ta very much.

I can say something to you - Consider yourself very lucky not to experience the blackness hovering over your life with no joy, not able to laugh, isolated, not able to get out of bed, four walls closing in on you, suffocating every move you make...and just drifting in water with no direction, and feeling hollow....

Lucky you are... but don't try knock others...

Oh with respect what self indulgent twaddle. You want a misery loves e-company circle jerk, egging each other on to how down ye can be, or an actual discussion? Contrary to some views on this thread the former is bloody well everywhere online. On this site alone off the top of my head, I can think of at least four forum/tread outlets for this kinda "there there you'll be grand/I'm so down too" stuff. Nothing wrong with that at all, but c'mon when you've got a poll like this where the majority claim to be or have been clinically depressed, either the majority of online users are mentalists or the ones claiming depression(esp the self diagnosed ones) are simply wrong/self indulgent superannuated adolescents/convinced by society that there's a name for every ill in your life. I strongly suspect the latter.

mikom wrote:

These are things that winning 100 euro on a scratch card or having a quick roll in the hay would give you a lift out of for a day or so.
With real depression you would not be even bothered to pick up the coin or drop your trousers.

Precisely. The latter individual needs all the help, medical and social that we can give as a society, the former needs to cop on, grow up and change what needs to be changed in their lives. If you're in a bad job? The obvious answer is change jobs but that's not that easy. Though even there you wont starve in this society if you do. In any case your job is or should be just one facet of your life. The rest should compensate. I mean few enough get a hard on for their jobs. Bad flatmates? Much easier. It's largely a renters market, so move.

t0mm13b

WesternNight wrote: »

Oh come on.

There is a big difference between clinically depressed and, say, "a bit fed up". I don't see anything wrong with saying that not everyone who *thinks* they're depressed or claims to be, is actually depressed in the real sense. If anything, it's important to make that distinction so that real, honest-to-god depression is treated appropriately and not confused with (either by medical professionals or by the public in general) a self-indulgent sulking phase that can be mistaken for depression these days.

That's not belittling depression. Quite the opposite.

That's the problem, the word used in itself is conveyed in a different way and that was discussed on previous pages, nowadays people are using the term "Oh my life sucks, I'm depressed", its being bandied about too much and open to misinterpretation, or out-of-context.... and that in itself is the problem, separating out the grain from the chaff.... those who are genuinely depressed, and others saying it for out of their "want".....

It needs to be said.... be careful....check with yourself emotionally and be aware of yourself....

The other significant part of the problem is if you do not have supportive friends or have family issues can exacerbate the problem even more...

If you have a close family and are supportive of each other with their siblings - well and good... but how many families are "that close", or "friends" who are not exactly close.... those that have genuine depression will find that their circle of support shrinks to a dot, thus making it harder to get the help they need....

t0mm13b

Wibbs wrote: »

Facts and proof would be nice alright. As opposed to what? Emo ramblings around what is a very serious illness and danger to the individual and society? Yea I'll take facts and proof ta very much.

Sure.... but they may not have the courage to be quite as open and honest thus hiding the true statistics perhaps?

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh with respect what self indulgent twaddle. You want a misery loves e-company circle jerk, egging each other on to how down ye can be, or an actual discussion? Contrary to some views on this thread the former is bloody well everywhere online. On this site alone off the top of my head, I can think of at least four forum/tread outlets for this kinda "there there you'll be grand/I'm so down too" stuff. Nothing wrong with that at all, but c'mon when you've got a poll like this where the majority claim to be or have been clinically depressed, either the majority of online users are mentalists or the ones claiming depression(esp the self diagnosed ones) are simply wrong/self indulgent superannuated adolescents/convinced by society that there's a name for every ill in your life. I strongly suspect the latter.

I am inclined to agree there yes... it does seem to make sense as see in my previous posting how the word gets bandied about....but surely the real sufferers perhaps are suffering in silence....

Wibbs wrote: »

Precisely. The latter individual needs all the help, medical and social that we can give as a society, the former needs to cop on, grow up and change what needs to be changed in their lives. If you're in a bad job? The obvious answer is change jobs but that's not that easy. Though even there you wont starve in this society if you do. In any case your job is or should be just one facet of your life. The rest should compensate. I mean few enough get a hard on for their jobs. Bad flatmates? Much easier. It's largely a renters market, so move.

The silent ones that are hiding in suffering, would not be able to take on the change... the ones that love themselves and bandying the term "depression" are the ones that are obscuring the real underlying section of population where the real sufferers are hiding.... and those (who are bandying the label "depressed" and self-indulgent) are the ones that need to make the changes themselves so yes...

pheasant tail

Well all,i havent really been following all of this but wibbs,,i see where your coming from,,but i think that as tom said,basically summed it up,,if you havent experienced depression then you dont know how it feels and its hard to judge or comment on people or things relating to depression!!

Sorry to change the subject people,,but i seen a few people last night saying that religion and spiritually really helped,,can i ask why or how yous went about it??

AntiMatter

pheasant tail wrote: »

Sorry to change the subject people,,but i seen a few people last night saying that religion and spiritually really helped,,can i ask why or how yous went about it??

Meditation, which I mentioned previously, is what I would have to say cured my depression.

pheasant tail

AntiMatter wrote: »

Meditation, which I mentioned previously, is what I would have to say cured my depression.

Im currently down that road for a long while,take ya long ta come round? Im on currently 5 differnt tablets and i think its far too much!

Wibbs

pheasant tail wrote: »

Well all,i havent really been following all of this but wibbs,,i see where your coming from,,but i think that as tom said,basically summed it up,,if you havent experienced depression then you dont know how it feels and its hard to judge or comment on people or things relating to depression!!

No, but that IMHO is yet another excuse for the self indulgent types, which IMHO make up the majority of the newer cases of so called depression. TBH it galls me when these types are lumped in with the true manic depressives and clinically depressed types who are actually struggling on a daily basis, not some superannuated emo kid looking for even more attention, because they're precious little snowflakes you know. It can also become a bloody competition with some of them. I'm more down than you kinda guff, especially online. Misery loves company and competition. Almost like these pro ana sites, egging vulnerable people into an even more self obsessed and self destructive downward cycle.

Sorry to change the subject people,,but i seen a few people last night saying that religion and spiritually really helped,,can i ask why or how yous went about it??

I'd reckon it would for a few reasons. 1) it has a social aspect 2) it makes the individual part of something bigger than themselves 3) It gives them the idea that there is an external plan and someone is looking after it. Probably why religious people live longer.

t0mm13b

Wibbs wrote: »

No, but that IMHO is yet another excuse for the self indulgent types, which IMHO make up the majority of the newer cases of so called depression. TBH it galls me when these types are lumped in with the true manic depressives and clinically depressed types who are actually struggling on a daily basis, not some superannuated emo kid looking for even more attention, because they're precious little snowflakes you know. It can also become a bloody competition with some of them. I'm more down than you kinda guff, especially online. Misery loves company and competition. Almost like these pro ana sites, egging vulnerable people into an even more self obsessed and self destructive downward cycle.

I can see where you're coming from.... but the question remains - how do you separate them out????

There's a difference between those who love misery and try out-do each other for competition and those genuinely not able to help themselves.... but yeah there's an element of truth in what you're saying alright...

separate out the "grain" from the chaff...

some would definitely use it to "act as abuser masquerading as a victim" and others would "act as a victim masquerading as an abuser"... that's a very difficult thing to pinpoint...

so what do you suggest to separate the true sufferers from the the fake sufferers?

Alice1

I haven't seen any mention of Post Natal Depression so far. I had it after my first baby was born. I didn't know quite what was wrong with me - I just didn't feel happy. However, I went rapidly downhill. Following treatment I got better. Medication does have a part to play in the treatment of depression (in my opinion) however, I accept that not everybody shares my opinion.

Thanks for starting this thread Boney.

t0mm13b

Alice1 wrote: »

I haven't seen any mention of Post Natal Depression so far. I had it after my first baby was born. I didn't know quite what was wrong with me - I just didn't feel happy. However, I went rapidly downhill. Following treatment I got better. Medication does have a part to play in the treatment of depression (in my opinion) however, I accept that not everybody shares my opinion.

Thanks for starting this thread Boney.

That's being on my mind a lot since the thread is started.... so well done to you for posting.... Hope you get better....

cleremy jarkson

Now I'm not a religious person myself, but I think that in the past religion did(and still does) help prevent people from developing the sort of bleak, hopeless, dark depression that many people seem to experience nowadays. The science/ philosophy which has become known in the last century or so is completely at odds with the natural human desire to see our lives as meaningful. In a sense it is unnatural for us to know some of the stuff that we do eg. evolutionary explanations for why we think/ behave the way we do, reason for being very sure there's no afterlife or god...

I believe that's why religious beliefs have been found to have developed in basically every region on earth and at all times throughout human history.

AntiMatter

pheasant tail wrote: »

Im currently down that road for a long while,take ya long ta come round? Im on currently 5 differnt tablets and i think its far too much!

It took about a couple of years for me to notice any discernible effect, and it is hard work. (harder than cognitive therapy, for example)

citizen_p

the easiest way to get rid of depression imo is social interaction...

AntiMatter

Mousey- wrote: »

the easiest way to get rid of depression imo is social interaction...

I wonder if, with those inflicted with the disease lacking social interaction, and so being drawn to high internet usage, this accounts for the high percentage of depression sufferers in the poll.

Sardonicat

Mousey- wrote: »

the easiest way to get rid of depression imo is social interaction...

Whilst some social interaction is helpful, it won't cure you. Seriously depressed people aren't really capable og meaningful interaction anyway and the least helpful thing in the world is some well meaning but ignorant person urging you to "come out of yourself more". Seriously depressed people cannot do that.

If social interaction "cures" anything, it's loneliness. i'm not saying that isn't a terrible thing in itself, but it's not depression.

t0mm13b

Happy New year to all of you on this thread and sincerely wish you a healthy road to recovery in 2011... \o/

And thanks to boneyarseman for raising this thread

Mountainsandh

Happy New Year, wishing all sorts of positives for the people posting on here, pick the one you like best

klose

This thread had helped. Gonna come clean to the parents and tell em in very depressed. Haven't been happy in 4 months instead I've been nothing short of miserable. Very dark place I'm in at the moment and can't find a way out on my own so I need help. Have wanted/thought of killing myself for a while now but don't want to put my family thru that.

All I wanted was that one girl who I had and made me the happiest but no, college life (not the work btw) got preference and you crushed me knowing full well the results, you've gotten off with friends in front of my face, you've ruined me. You knew what would happen yet you 'tripped lightly' upon my soul.

It's time to rid my loneliness and darkness, it's time to realise you're nothing but a selfless whore and that ik better off without you. It's time to get better

t0mm13b

whippedcream wrote: »

This thread had helped. Gonna come clean to the parents and tell em in very depressed. Haven't been happy in 4 months instead I've been nothing short of miserable. Very dark place I'm in at the moment and can't find a way out on my own so I need help. Have wanted/thought of killing myself for a while now but don't want to put my family thru that.

All I wanted was that one girl who I had and made me the happiest but no, college life (not the work btw) got preference and you crushed me knowing full well the results, you've gotten off with friends in front of my face, you've ruined me. You knew what would happen yet you 'tripped lightly' upon my soul.

It's time to rid my loneliness and darkness, it's time to realise you're nothing but a selfless whore and that ik better off without you. It's time to get better

@WhippedCream: WELL DONE!!!! Did that make you feel any better in what you wanted to say?

Feel free to post back here... you're on the road to recovery....

I will try my best... have you discussed it with your GP? What are/were your thoughts in wanting to kill yourself...? Please do share....

gsxr1

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Happy New Year, wishing all sorts of positives for the people posting on here, pick the one you like best

you also.

I hope to god things improve for everyone . even a small bit.

That was the saddest year of my life. I have never had to relay on my wifes wages before till now.
out of work boredom and worry has nearly got the better of me

klose

t0mm13b wrote: »

@WhippedCream: WELL DONE!!!! Did that make you feel any better in what you wanted to say?

Feel free to post back here... you're on the road to recovery....

I will try my best... have you discussed it with your GP? What are/were your thoughts in wanting to kill yourself...? Please do share....

Thank you. That was my first true outburst, it gave me a sense of satisfaction in posting it as if I was getting it off my chest. I came hone early after she ruined yet another night out and tbh I'm sick of it. I've never yet spoken anybody about it yet, a sort of embaresment has covered me seeing as I'm only an 18 y/o male.

But no more, I'm young and have still life ahead. I love this girl so much yet all she's done has hurt me. I know I deserve better but I simply can't get over her. I saved my virginity till I met the right person and she was certainly it and I gave my virginity to her. I've never been so connected to a person as such.

Heck, I don't rate myself highly atall on looks or on skills with women, I gotta do something right?

How is everyone feeling since we have entered a New Year?

a-k-47

those figures are scary!..