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Crows

  • 23-12-2010 2:01pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭


    What's the story with taking out crows over stubble, with my permissions reduced recently and the hunting ban that is really the only option I have at the moment. Is it legal?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Odysseus wrote: »
    What's the story with taking out crows over stubble, with my permissions reduced recently and the hunting ban that is really the only option I have at the moment. Is it legal?

    I believe so yes as it is for crop protection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,072 ✭✭✭clivej


    Odysseus wrote: »
    What's the story with taking out crows over stubble, with my permissions reduced recently and the hunting ban that is really the only option I have at the moment. Is it legal?
    I believe so yes as it is for crop protection


    What exactly is the crop your protecting, surely it's not the stubbles as that can't be classed as a crop.

    Anyway I thought that was only when shooting pigeons that you only shot them for the protection of crops.

    I have to get all these rules and regs into my own head now that I'm getting a shotgun.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Ya can shoot crows anywhere, they are not protected in any way with regards to shooting so shoot away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    clivej wrote: »
    What exactly is the crop your protecting, surely it's not the stubbles as that can't be classed as a crop.

    Anyway I thought that was only when shooting pigeons that you only shot them for the protection of crops.

    I have to get all these rules and regs into my own head now that I'm getting a shotgun.

    Yeah Clive that's why I was asking? A lot of people will shoot pigeons over pigeon over stubble now, since a court case a year or two agp, but others will know better on that one.

    What shottie you going for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Ya can shoot crows anywhere, they are not protected in any way with regards to shooting so shoot away

    Nice one cheers mate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Ya can shoot crows anywhere, they are not protected in any way with regards to shooting so shoot away

    This is not true whatsoever. They're on the exact same derogation as pigeons, but there isn't a shooting ban on them as there is with game birds because they don't have an open season. If you're protecting crops, animals or the like, then yes, they can be shot. Otherwise, no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    This is not true whatsoever. They're on the exact same derogation as pigeons, but there isn't a shooting ban on them as there is with game birds because they don't have an open season. If you're protecting crops, animals or the like, then yes, they can be shot. Otherwise, no.

    I know of a chap that was done many years ago for shooting crows near an urban centre.

    This was pre the famous Stubble shooting court case however.

    He lost his gun and received a fine AFAIK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    What crop could you be protecting from crows now unless the crows by you have ice picks and shovels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    fodda wrote: »
    What crop could you be protecting from crows now unless the crows by you have ice picks and shovels.

    150 acres of grain in a shed that you have to go in and out of to get fodder, and whilst you do Corvids invade


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭snipe02


    i did not know that i always thought you could shoot them over any field and it could be for crop protection as long as the crop owner had asked you to i also feel crop protection is also about reducing the number of pigeons in an area not just one field sure thats just stupidity what do you do just scare them away from that field so they can go and destroy someone elses crop and them had enough of a food supply to multiply in numbers and do more damage before the next harvest we have to make sense of this or soon we will have to ask the pigeons for permission to shoot them hunting laws in this country are getting ridiculous if that lad won his caqse for shooting over stubbles was that not the point of the nargc fighting the case so we could still shoot them over stubble for the purpose of crop protection someone please explain this to me i confused


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    I think most present wildlife protection laws are from the EU with the home countries additions and reductions. The EU rule the country so they set all agendas have set alot of them for over 30 years.

    The laws are bought in to protect the countries wildlife and quite rightly so.

    Just because you own a piece of land and decide on Monday that you want to grow wheat does not give you the right to exterminate every bird or animal just because it may or may not decide to eat your crop. There are pigeons in the west of Ireland but no wheat.

    All animals (few exceptions like mink etc) in the countryside are important and are linked together and their is no problem until man decides to interfere in someway.

    Just because some one has been issued a gun licence does not give them the right to shoot anything they fancy and i personally think that before anyone is issued a gun licence they should prove that they know what, where, when and how they can use the gun.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭snipe02


    fodda wrote: »
    I think most present wildlife protection laws are from the EU with the home countries additions and reductions. The EU rule the country so they set all agendas have set alot of them for over 30 years.

    The laws are bought in to protect the countries wildlife and quite rightly so.

    Just because you own a piece of land and decide on Monday that you want to grow wheat does not give you the right to exterminate every bird or animal just because it may or may not decide to eat your crop. There are pigeons in the west of Ireland but no wheat.

    All animals (few exceptions like mink etc) in the countryside are important and are linked together and their is no problem until man decides to interfere in someway.

    Just because some one has been issued a gun licence does not give them the right to shoot anything they fancy and i personally think that before anyone is issued a gun licence they should prove that they know what, where, when and how they can use the gun.
    nobody wants to exterminate every bird what would be the point in that its calledf vermin control not vermin extermination pigeon populations survived long before the eu ....if there is no wheat or crops to protect in the west why shoot pigeons out of season and lastly i completely agree with your point people should receive more training before owning a firearm who is going to pay for that maybe the nargc could or the eu or the goverment I DONT THINK SO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    snipe02 wrote: »
    nobody wants to exterminate every bird what would be the point in that its calledf vermin control not vermin extermination pigeon populations survived long before the eu ....if there is no wheat or crops to protect in the west why shoot pigeons out of season and lastly i completely agree with your point people should receive more training before owning a firearm who is going to pay for that maybe the nargc could or the eu or the goverment I DONT THINK SO

    But that is the point what is actually classed as vermin? All animals are wildlife and yes crows rooks etc even foxes do a lot of good, remove them and you will be over run with things you dont want.

    Foxes eat rats, rabbits and mice so keep them in check but also see a farmers unprotected livestock as an easy meal.

    Crows and other similar birds eat eggs and worms (parasites) from farm animal droppings also billions of ticks and clean up dead animals but also eat farmers produce.

    If you could remove these animals completely tomorrow you would soon be over run with what they eat and it would cost more in chemicals and other to control what they keep in check.

    As regards training for a gun licence, i am afraid you pay you want the gun, why should others subsidise you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    fodda wrote: »
    But that is the point what is actually classed as vermin? All animals are wildlife and yes crows rooks etc even foxes do a lot of good, remove them and you will be over run with things you dont want.

    Foxes eat rats, rabbits and mice so keep them in check but also see a farmers unprotected livestock as an easy meal.

    Crows and other similar birds eat eggs and worms (parasites) from farm animal droppings also billions of ticks and clean up dead animals but also eat farmers produce.

    If you could remove these animals completely tomorrow you would soon be over run with what they eat and it would cost more in chemicals and other to control what they keep in check.

    As regards training for a gun licence, i am afraid you pay you want the gun, why should others subsidise you?

    The problem in Ireland though is that the food chain is unbalanced since the likes of foxes and hoodies lack natural predators given the relative scarcity(compared to other countries) of large raptors etc - this is why vermin control is important for gamebirds and more importantly for a number of species on the red-list who have been hit hard by the likes of mink, magpies, Grey squirrel etc.. That is also why the likes of BWI do vermin control at a number of stragic reserves around the country for the benefit of species such as Corn Crake, Little Tern, Curlew and Dunlin etc.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    The problem in Ireland though is that the food chain is unbalanced since the likes of foxes and hoodies lack natural predators given the relative scarcity(compared to other countries) of large raptors etc - this is why vermin control is important for gamebirds and more importantly for a number of species on the red-list who have been hit hard by the likes of mink, magpies, Grey squirrel etc.. That is also why the likes of BWI do vermin control at a number of stragic reserves around the country for the benefit of species such as Corn Crake, Little Tern, Curlew and Dunlin etc.:)

    The food chain is unbalanced because of you and me and those rare birds are affected by modern day agriculture i.e. you and me, They werent wiped out by crows or foxes.

    Game birds!!! Are you serious. So tomorrow morning you decide to breed hundreds of non-native pheasents and partridge and wipe out the whole local ecology because they may find your imported birds a bit tasty?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    fodda wrote: »
    The food chain is unbalanced because of you and me and those rare birds are affected by modern day agriculture i.e. you and me, They werent wiped out by crows or foxes.

    Game birds!!! Are you serious. So tomorrow morning you decide to breed hundreds of non-native pheasents and partridge and wipe out the whole local ecology because they may find your imported birds a bit tasty?

    I totally agree that mankind is the reason for the imbalance - sadly in many cases only further human intervention is necessary to stem the problems that arise from this in the case of the species I mentioned before. What I'm saying is is that this issue is way bigger then exotic/imported game birds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    Actually if you were to remove humans, then most things would sort theirselves out quite nicely and the foxes would be needed to take care of the cats which do more harm than any fox or crow to the rare birds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    fodda wrote: »
    Actually if you were to remove humans, then most things would sort theirselves out quite nicely and the foxes would be need to take care of the cats which do more harm than any fox or crow to the rare birds.

    Here's one for you - theres increasing evidence that the Red Fox is itself an introduction, albeit a pretty ancient one. I must dig out that very interesting article which covered this area - I think it was in Michael Viney's excellent Eye on Nature column that appears in the IT every Saturday:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    And here's one for you. If it has been here for hundreds of years then it is most probably established as an important link in the natural wildlife.

    Of course there are those who would prefer we had just Tyranasaurus Rex and Pterosaur's just to prove a point but life is too short.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    fodda wrote: »
    And here's one for you. If it has been here for hundreds of years then it is most probably established as an important link in the natural wildlife.

    Well for the sake of our native flora and fauna I'd rather not have the likes of mink and Grey squirrel here for another few hundred years. On that subject I went for a stroll recently in the Phoenix park to see could i spot some of those woodpeckers - I was horrified at the number of Grey Squirrels i saw in 2 hours, upwards of 40+ in one corner of the park:eek:. The affect these notorious egg thieves have on native birds as well as native Red Squirrels have been well documented, not the mention the damage the do to wildlife rich broadleaf forestry. I'm disgusted that the likes of the OPW have done little or nothing about this problem which is apparently a big issue on many state properties such as Avondale, Botanic gardens etc.:mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭fodda


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Well for the sake of our native flora and fauna I'd rather not have the likes of mink and Grey squirrel here for another few hundred years. On that subject I went for a stroll recently in the Phoenix park to see could i spot some of those woodpeckers - I was horrified at the number of Grey Squirrels i saw in 2 hours, upwards of 40+ in one corner of the park:eek:. The affect these notorious egg thieves have on native birds as well as native Red Squirrels have been well documented, not the mention the damage the do to wildlife rich broadleaf forestry. I'm disgusted that the likes of the OPW have done little or nothing about this problem which is apparently a big issue on many state properties such as Avondale, Botanic gardens etc.:mad:

    I agree 100%


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 GREY TOM


    Shoot away


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 GREY TOM


    What


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    GREY TOM wrote: »
    What do you think of the pinemarton being preserved doing a lot of damage around here

    What kind of damage?? - Pine Martens have just recovered from near extinction and are major predators of vermin like Grey squirrels and rats. If an individual is causing problems contact the NPWS and they will deal with it


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,695 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    GREY TOM wrote: »
    What do you think of the pinemarton being preserved doing a lot of damage around here

    They are a protected species and as such any talk of controling, trapping, snaring, killing, etc them is prohibited.

    Any posts going down that road and they will be deleted and the user may face infraction.
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    If you see a problem post use the report post function. Click on the three dots on the post, select "FLAG" & let a Moderator deal with it.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 GREY TOM


    NO MEANTION OF KILLING CATCHING OR TRAPPING ETC IN POST


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    GREY TOM wrote: »
    NO MEANTION OF KILLING CATCHING OR TRAPPING ETC IN POST

    He never said there was. He was just warning people not to start that type of talk.

    This is a thread about crows anyway, discussion of pine martens is way off topic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 GREY TOM


    Forget about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    GREY TOM wrote: »
    Forget about it

    Best answer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭zen260


    jaz relax will ya,,were not talking about shooting people,were talking about poxy crows and there are way to many of there birds all over this island,,


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,695 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    15-16 month old thread dude.
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