John Lennon 30th anniversary

Arts student

Its been 30 years tonight since John Lennon was killed by Mark Chapman outside his New York apartment. Lennon made a lot of good music during the 60s, 70s and for his final year (and come back) in 1980. Do you think Lennon would have continued making music well into the 80s, and possibly into the 90s / 00s and even today?

Would the music world be much different today with Lennon about, or would he be as obscure a figure as other 60s singers such as his former bandmate Paul McCartney.

fontanalis

Arts student wrote: »

Its been 30 years tonight since John Lennon was killed by Mark Chapman outside his New York apartment. Lennon made a lot of good music during the 60s, 70s and for his final year (and come back) in 1980. Do you think Lennon would have continued making music well into the 80s, and possibly into the 90s / 00s and even today?

Would the music world be much different today with Lennon about, or would he be as obscure a figure as other 60s singers such as his former bandmate Paul McCartney.

Double Fantasy was his last record wasn't it? It had some good tunes, think Watching the Wheels was on it.
As far as what the world would be like with him (I assume you mean from a social change point of view), not much different maybe witha few more good tuens knocking around. Face it, the man was a hypocrite; living in one of the richest parts of Manhattan, a son he more or less didn't bother with. To many people believe the kind of nonsense liek the CIA was afraid of him.

admiralofthefleet

imagine there was no beatles

if only

easyeason3

He would probably still be hanging out of that weirdo Yoko & banging on about peace or some shyte.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

easyeason3 wrote: »

He would probably still be hanging out of that weirdo Yoko & banging on about peace or some shyte.

I know. Give me violence any day.

orourkeda

who gives a rats ass?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

orourkeda wrote: »

who gives a rats ass?

People tend to give a rats ass at the anniversary of the death of people who influenced them in some way. Happens here too, every Easter. Not entirely sure you'd have the same sentiment though.

fontanalis

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

imagine there was no beatles

if only

What about Wings? The band the beatles could have been.

TeddyTedson

John Lennon, Elvis, Michael Jackson, 2Pac, ect aren't really dead. They're just....having a break...having a... kitkat!?!?!?

Arts student

orourkeda wrote: »

who gives a rats ass?

Normally when you don't give a rats ass about something, isn't ignoring a thread about that something, instead of visiting it the usual thing?

orourkeda

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

People tend to give a rats ass at the anniversary of the death of people who influenced them in some way. Happens here too, every Easter. Not entirely sure you'd have the same sentiment though.

We're talking about John Lennon here. Not the religious festival. Hence my previous comment. It'd be super if you didnt try divert this thread to another subject.

orourkeda

Arts student wrote: »

Normally when you don't give a rats ass about something, isn't ignoring a thread about that something, instead of visiting it the usual thing?

Normally they do. I didnt. No need to get your bags in a knot

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Paul McCartney was by far the better beetle. By far

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

orourkeda wrote: »

We're talking about John Lennon here. Not the religious festival. Hence my previous comment. It'd be super if you didnt try divert this thread to another subject.

What, we're not talking about commemorating deaths here? And what does religion have to do with anything? It'd be super if you stayed on topic.

orourkeda

The beatles are quite simply the most overrated musical outfit in the history of recorded music.

Very ordinary musicians

bonerm

fontanalis wrote: »

What about Wings? The band the beatles could have been.

Without the classic rock of Wings we would never have had the Britpop bands such as UB40 and Def Leppard.

mgmt

OMG:eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZh_BqJqKns

orourkeda

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

What, we're not talking about commemorating deaths here? And what does religion have to do with anything? It'd be super if you stayed on topic.

I'll refer you to post number 7 for the first mention of easter (by easter I presume you were talking about easter the religious festival. after all you wrote and mentioned ir first)

secondly, we were asked if John Lennon would have continued making music or if he would have drifted into obscurity like some of his 60's comtemporaries.

My simple response was who gives a rats ass?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

orourkeda wrote: »

I'll refer you to post number 7 for the first mention of easter (by easter I presume you were talking about easter the religious festival. after all you wrote and mentioned ir first)

secondly, we were asked if John Lennon would have continued making music or if he would have drifted into obscurity like some of his 60's comtemporaries.

My simple response was who gives a rats ass?

Ah, I see. I meant 1916, not the religious element of it. Although I'm not that bothered, people around here tend to give a "rats ass" about it.

In answer to the question, probably neither. He'd have probably continued to make music and remain in the public eye, but more for the messages and opinions than the music.

RonMexico

The more I learn about Lennon and McCartney the more I dislike them. Great songwriters though.

Prefer the Stones anyway, Keith Richards is some character.:pac:

orourkeda

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah, I see. I meant 1916, not the religious element of it. Although I'm not that bothered, people around here tend to give a "rats ass" about it.

In answer to the question, probably neither. He'd have probably continued to make music and remain in the public eye, but more for the messages and opinions than the music.

You didnt say that. The difference is that the easter rising had a real impact on your life whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Real men who died for their nations independence tend to influence the people around them one way or another.

The beatles made records.

ItsAWindUp

What would Lennon do if he was still alive? Probably be screaming to be let out of the coffin I'd say.

orourkeda

RonMexico wrote: »

The more I learn about Lennon and McCartney the more I dislike them. Great songwriters though.

Prefer the Stones anyway, Keith Richards is some character.:pac:

I dont bear any animosity towards them. On what grounds do you dislike them?

I just think their music isn't good enough to warrant what passes for hero worship in some cases.

krudler

Would the music world be much different today with Lennon about, or would he be as obscure a figure as other 60s singers such as his former bandmate Paul McCartney.

Paul McCartney is "obscure"? since when?

Delancey

This is a date that that always saddens me , I grieve not for John Lennon but for the fact that his killer failed to take out Yoko Ono when he had the chance , for that oversight he should remain in prison for ever.

admiralofthefleet

fontanalis wrote: »

What about Wings? The band the beatles could have been.

mull of kintyre was a great tune

bonerm

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

mull of kintyre was a great tune

Not to mention McCarthney's solo stuff.

To think Lennon was never alive to see this one....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auCDOERZyE

Degsy

I wonder will Bono's passing be marked with such arse licking and navel-gazing?

bonerm

Degsy wrote: »

I wonder will Bono's passing be marked with such arse licking and navel-gazing?

I'd say so.

BTW, could you give us a location and appox time so I can bring popcorn?

orourkeda

Degsy wrote: »

I wonder will Bono's passing be marked with such arse licking and navel-gazing?

He'll still be a bollocks

Latchy

I think Lennon would for sure have kept on with writing and recording ,there was no reason to suggest otherwise ,maybe a little more low key with live appearences . Was the world a better place for John Lennon being shot ? . People greatly underestimate the influence Lennon had on ordinary people and how many bands and artists during and after post lennon /beatles credit him and his mates as being big influences in their careers ....thousends , Noel Gallagher named his son after him to and pity we never got to see what gems Lennon might have produced .

cml387

To all those whose contributions to this (and the other "Where were you" thread) consist of indifference or outright malevolence:

I look forward to your contributions to the greater sum of human happiness
with bated breath.

RonMexico

orourkeda wrote: »

I dont bear any animosity towards them. On what grounds do you dislike them?

I just think their music isn't good enough to warrant what passes for hero worship in some cases.

John Lennon was a wife-beating hypocritical prick who abandoned his son to yuck it up with Yoko Ono and prance around in public preaching about peace.

McCartney just comes across as a prick.

Great songwriters though and their cultural impact is undeniable.

Latchy

cml387 wrote: »

To all those whose contributions to this (and the other "Where were you" thread) consist of indifference or outright malevolence:

I look forward to your contributions to the greater sum of human happiness
with bated breath.

Malevolence being the key word in this and other posts in similar AH thread

DERICKOO

Dec. 8, 1980



All Those Years Ago
~ George Harrison, 1981 I'm shouting all about love
While they treated you like a dog
When you were the one who made it all so clear
All those years ago
I'm talking all about how to give
They don't act with much honesty
But you point the way to the truth when you say
All you need is love
Living with good and bad
I always looked up to you
Now we're left cold and sad
By someone the devil's best friend
Someone who offended all
We're living in a bad dream
They've forgotten all about mankind
And you were the one they backed up to the wall
All those years ago
You were the one who imagined it all
All those years ago
Deep in the darkest night
I send a prayer to you
Now in the world of light
Where the spirit free of the lies
And all else we despised
They've forgotten all about God
He's the only reason we exist
You were the one that they said was so weird
All those years ago
You said it all though not many had ears
All those years ago
You had control of our smiles and our tears
All those years ago

It was 10:50 at night when the limousine returned to the Dakota, a gothic apartment building near Central Park in New York City. From the limo emerged Yoko Ono, famed and often hated wife of former Beatle John Lennon. Following her came John himself. As he approached the door of the building, Mark David Chapman, the man for who Lennon had given his final autograph, took a combat stance and fired five bullets. The first two struck Lennon's back, the next two hit his shoulder and the final shot missed its target. As Lennon staggered into the doorway of the Dakota, Chapman dropped the weapon and clutched a copy of J.D. Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye. He was arrested as soon as the police arrived at the scene and Lennon was taken to Roosevelt Hospital in the backseat of a police car.
At the hospital Lennon had a weak heartbeat, but virtually no blood pressure and had lost three quarts of blood. He was soon pronounced dead. Less then half an hour after the shooting, at 11:15 PM, during Monday Night Football, Howard Cosell, a close friend of Lennon's, reported the incident, and the world was told of the death of one of the most famous men in the history of Rock and Roll. derickoo

Irish Guitarist

If he had lived I think the quality of his music would have worsened. As a result of this Paul McCartney wouldn't be unfairly compared to him today. The only reason Paul McCartney has recorded worse music than John Lennon is because he's had a lot more time to do so.

Don't get me wrong; I love John Lennon, but I think Paul McCartney was/is equally talented. Actually I prefer George Harrison to both of them.

I'd hardly call Paul McCartney "obscure" by the way. Uncool or unfashionable might describe him better.

bonerm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

If he had lived I think the quality of his music would have worsened. As a result of this Paul McCartney wouldn't be unfairly compared to him today. The only reason Paul McCartney has recorded worse music than John Lennon is because he's had a lot more time to do so.

Don't get me wrong; I love John Lennon, but I think Paul McCartney was/is equally talented. Actually I prefer George Harrison to both of them.

I'd hardly call Paul McCartney "obscure" by the way. Uncool or unfashionable might describe him better.

Agreed. Plus "All Things Must Pass" is better than anything Lennon or McCarthney ever did.

DERICKOO

As I am over 50 this incident had a profound influence on me, I would not say shaped my life, the Beatles did that, can we not recognise people for what they have given to us as a people and as a human race.

December 8, 1980, 11:15 PM
How the world found out about Lennon's death
Announced by Howard Cosell on Monday Night Football

"One of the great figures of the entire world, one of the great artists, was shot to death horribly at the Dakota Apartments, 72nd Street and Central Park West in New York City. John Lennon is dead. He was the most important member of the Beatles, and the Beatles, lead by John Lennon, created music that touched the whole of civilization. Not just people in Liverpool, where the group was born, but the people of the world."

Arts student

I think a lot of people here are confusing my initial question, I was wondering if people thought the musical world would be different as a result, not the world in general. Some of you are right about Lennon been a hypocrite and to be honest I think a lot of the Give Peace A Chance malarkey was a publicity stunt. Either that or the drugs had an effect on the man.

Look i'm not denying that the man was potentially a prat like many other famous musicians / actors etc. My only question was, do you think music would be much different today had Lennon lived. I honestly couldn't care less about Lennon's activism or exploits, I just want to know if you think music and the musical world be any different. That is all.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

What's yellow and sleeps alone??






















Yoko Ono

Rabies

orourkeda wrote: »

who gives a rats ass?

You must do.
After all you are getting involved in the discussion right now.

Latchy

Arts student wrote: »

I just want to know if you think music and the musical world be any different. That is all.

Well I dont think it could be any worse than some of the shyte around today ,yes there are some decent groups and artists around and there is potential out there .

If Lennon had lived and recorded which seems likely then there is no doubt that musical people would have taken something from his stuff , maye a verse ,lick , a line or sentence in a song ...or the whole song itself .

Who's to say he would not have gone on tour (aka McCartney ) and gone through his whole back catalogue including his solo and up to date stuff ? Brian Wilson /Mike Love Bruce Johnson / Al Jardine all have had sucess on tour with their own versions of the Beach Boys and influenced a whole new generation, so yeah I think the music and the musical world would have being different because art imitates art ...good or bad ? It's up to the listener !

Yakult

Cant forget Mr. Dimebag Darrel today (Most wont know him but how bad. Same date as John Lennon, one crap date for music overall.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

orourkeda wrote: »

You didnt say that. The difference is that the easter rising had a real impact on your life whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Real men who died for their nations independence tend to influence the people around them one way or another.

The beatles made records.

No, I didn't say it, hence my later clarification. I can honestly say that, out of the two, Lennon probably had more of an impact on my life than the rising did, although I would refer to neither as personally influential.

I'd also say the Beatles were more influential worldwide. Not liking their music, or them being popularist hacks won't change that.

Degsy

orourkeda wrote: »

He'll still be a bollocks

I have him on an acumalator with Brian lenihan and Gerry Ryan.

orourkeda

Latchy wrote: »

I think Lennon would for sure have kept on with writing and recording ,there was no reason to suggest otherwise ,maybe a little more low key with live appearences . Was the world a better place for John Lennon being shot ? . People greatly underestimate the influence Lennon had on ordinary people and how many bands and artists during and after post lennon /beatles credit him and his mates as being big influences in their careers ....thousends , Noel Gallagher named his son after him to and pity we never got to see what gems Lennon might have produced .

The fact that someone names their son after a well known figure is kind of sad.

orourkeda

Degsy wrote: »

I have him on an acumalator with Brian lenihan and Gerry Ryan.

To be dead or a bollocks?

Degsy

orourkeda wrote: »

To be dead or a bollocks?

Well nobody would give me odds on the second part now would they?

Degsy

Latchy wrote: »

, Noel Gallagher named his son after him

No he didnt..Liam Gallagher did and a bigger prick than Liam Gallagher has yet to walk the earth.

IamtheWalrus

orourkeda wrote: »

The beatles are quite simply the most overrated musical outfit in the history of recorded music.

Very ordinary musicians

Possibly overrated but their output was of a very high quality in a very short period of time. Most of their songs were unique, not like a lot of the rehashed nonsense you hear these days.

Luxie

Latchy wrote: »

I think Lennon would for sure have kept on with writing and recording ,there was no reason to suggest otherwise ,maybe a little more low key with live appearences . Was the world a better place for John Lennon being shot ? . People greatly underestimate the influence Lennon had on ordinary people and how many bands and artists during and after post lennon /beatles credit him and his mates as being big influences in their careers ....thousends , Noel Gallagher named his son after him to and pity we never got to see what gems Lennon might have produced .

Liam. Not Noel.