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John Lennon 30th anniversary

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  • #32
    cml387
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,428 ✭✭✭cml387


    To all those whose contributions to this (and the other "Where were you" thread) consist of indifference or outright malevolence:

    I look forward to your contributions to the greater sum of human happiness
    with bated breath.


  • #33
    RonMexico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I dont bear any animosity towards them. On what grounds do you dislike them?

    I just think their music isn't good enough to warrant what passes for hero worship in some cases.

    John Lennon was a wife-beating hypocritical prick who abandoned his son to yuck it up with Yoko Ono and prance around in public preaching about peace.

    McCartney just comes across as a prick.

    Great songwriters though and their cultural impact is undeniable.


  • #34
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    cml387 wrote: »
    To all those whose contributions to this (and the other "Where were you" thread) consist of indifference or outright malevolence:

    I look forward to your contributions to the greater sum of human happiness
    with bated breath.

    Malevolence being the key word in this and other posts in similar AH thread


  • #35
    DERICKOO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭DERICKOO


    Dec. 8, 1980



    All Those Years Ago
    ~ George Harrison, 1981     I'm shouting all about love
    While they treated you like a dog
    When you were the one who made it all so clear
    All those years ago
    I'm talking all about how to give
    They don't act with much honesty
    But you point the way to the truth when you say
    All you need is love
    Living with good and bad
    I always looked up to you
    Now we're left cold and sad
    By someone the devil's best friend
    Someone who offended all
    We're living in a bad dream
    They've forgotten all about mankind
    And you were the one they backed up to the wall
    All those years ago
    You were the one who imagined it all
    All those years ago
    Deep in the darkest night
    I send a prayer to you
    Now in the world of light
    Where the spirit free of the lies
    And all else we despised
    They've forgotten all about God
    He's the only reason we exist
    You were the one that they said was so weird
    All those years ago
    You said it all though not many had ears
    All those years ago
    You had control of our smiles and our tears
    All those years ago

    It was 10:50 at night when the limousine returned to the Dakota, a gothic apartment building near Central Park in New York City. From the limo emerged Yoko Ono, famed and often hated wife of former Beatle John Lennon. Following her came John himself. As he approached the door of the building, Mark David Chapman, the man for who Lennon had given his final autograph, took a combat stance and fired five bullets. The first two struck Lennon's back, the next two hit his shoulder and the final shot missed its target. As Lennon staggered into the doorway of the Dakota, Chapman dropped the weapon and clutched a copy of J.D. Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye. He was arrested as soon as the police arrived at the scene and Lennon was taken to Roosevelt Hospital in the backseat of a police car.
    At the hospital Lennon had a weak heartbeat, but virtually no blood pressure and had lost three quarts of blood. He was soon pronounced dead. Less then half an hour after the shooting, at 11:15 PM, during Monday Night Football, Howard Cosell, a close friend of Lennon's, reported the incident, and the world was told of the death of one of the most famous men in the history of Rock and Roll. derickoo


  • #36
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    If he had lived I think the quality of his music would have worsened. As a result of this Paul McCartney wouldn't be unfairly compared to him today. The only reason Paul McCartney has recorded worse music than John Lennon is because he's had a lot more time to do so.

    Don't get me wrong; I love John Lennon, but I think Paul McCartney was/is equally talented. Actually I prefer George Harrison to both of them.

    I'd hardly call Paul McCartney "obscure" by the way. Uncool or unfashionable might describe him better.


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  • #37
    bonerm
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    If he had lived I think the quality of his music would have worsened. As a result of this Paul McCartney wouldn't be unfairly compared to him today. The only reason Paul McCartney has recorded worse music than John Lennon is because he's had a lot more time to do so.

    Don't get me wrong; I love John Lennon, but I think Paul McCartney was/is equally talented. Actually I prefer George Harrison to both of them.

    I'd hardly call Paul McCartney "obscure" by the way. Uncool or unfashionable might describe him better.

    Agreed. Plus "All Things Must Pass" is better than anything Lennon or McCarthney ever did.


  • #38
    DERICKOO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭DERICKOO


    As I am over 50 this incident had a profound influence on me, I would not say shaped my life, the Beatles did that, can we not recognise people for what they have given to us as a people and as a human race.

    December 8, 1980, 11:15 PM
    How the world found out about Lennon's death
    Announced by Howard Cosell on Monday Night Football

    "One of the great figures of the entire world, one of the great artists, was shot to death horribly at the Dakota Apartments, 72nd Street and Central Park West in New York City. John Lennon is dead. He was the most important member of the Beatles, and the Beatles, lead by John Lennon, created music that touched the whole of civilization. Not just people in Liverpool, where the group was born, but the people of the world."


  • #39
    Arts student
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25 ✭Arts student


    I think a lot of people here are confusing my initial question, I was wondering if people thought the musical world would be different as a result, not the world in general. Some of you are right about Lennon been a hypocrite and to be honest I think a lot of the Give Peace A Chance malarkey was a publicity stunt. Either that or the drugs had an effect on the man.

    Look i'm not denying that the man was potentially a prat like many other famous musicians / actors etc. My only question was, do you think music would be much different today had Lennon lived. I honestly couldn't care less about Lennon's activism or exploits, I just want to know if you think music and the musical world be any different. That is all. ;)


  • #40
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    What's yellow and sleeps alone??






















    Yoko Ono


  • #41
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    orourkeda wrote: »
    who gives a rats ass?

    You must do.
    After all you are getting involved in the discussion right now.


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  • #42
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Arts student wrote: »
    I just want to know if you think music and the musical world be any different. That is all. ;)
    Well I dont think it could be any worse than some of the shyte around today ,yes there are some decent groups and artists around and there is potential out there .

    If Lennon had lived and recorded which seems likely then there is no doubt that musical people would have taken something from his stuff , maye a verse ,lick , a line or sentence in a song ...or the whole song itself .

    Who's to say he would not have gone on tour (aka McCartney ) and gone through his whole back catalogue including his solo and up to date stuff ? Brian Wilson /Mike Love Bruce Johnson / Al Jardine all have had sucess on tour with their own versions of the Beach Boys and influenced a whole new generation, so yeah I think the music and the musical world would have being different because art imitates art ...good or bad ? It's up to the listener !


  • #43
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Cant forget Mr. Dimebag Darrel today (Most wont know him but how bad. Same date as John Lennon, one crap date for music overall.


  • #44
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    orourkeda wrote: »
    You didnt say that. The difference is that the easter rising had a real impact on your life whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Real men who died for their nations independence tend to influence the people around them one way or another.

    The beatles made records.

    No, I didn't say it, hence my later clarification. I can honestly say that, out of the two, Lennon probably had more of an impact on my life than the rising did, although I would refer to neither as personally influential.

    I'd also say the Beatles were more influential worldwide. Not liking their music, or them being popularist hacks won't change that.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #45
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    orourkeda wrote: »
    He'll still be a bollocks


    I have him on an acumalator with Brian lenihan and Gerry Ryan.


  • #46
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Latchy wrote: »
    I think Lennon would for sure have kept on with writing and recording ,there was no reason to suggest otherwise ,maybe a little more low key with live appearences . Was the world a better place for John Lennon being shot ? . People greatly underestimate the influence Lennon had on ordinary people and how many bands and artists during and after post lennon /beatles credit him and his mates as being big influences in their careers ....thousends , Noel Gallagher named his son after him to and pity we never got to see what gems Lennon might have produced .

    The fact that someone names their son after a well known figure is kind of sad.


  • #47
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Degsy wrote: »
    I have him on an acumalator with Brian lenihan and Gerry Ryan.

    To be dead or a bollocks?


  • #48
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    orourkeda wrote: »
    To be dead or a bollocks?

    Well nobody would give me odds on the second part now would they?


  • #49
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Latchy wrote: »
    , Noel Gallagher named his son after him

    No he didnt..Liam Gallagher did and a bigger prick than Liam Gallagher has yet to walk the earth.


  • #50
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    orourkeda wrote: »
    The beatles are quite simply the most overrated musical outfit in the history of recorded music.

    Very ordinary musicians

    Possibly overrated but their output was of a very high quality in a very short period of time. Most of their songs were unique, not like a lot of the rehashed nonsense you hear these days.


  • #51
    Luxie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭Luxie


    Latchy wrote: »
    I think Lennon would for sure have kept on with writing and recording ,there was no reason to suggest otherwise ,maybe a little more low key with live appearences . Was the world a better place for John Lennon being shot ? . People greatly underestimate the influence Lennon had on ordinary people and how many bands and artists during and after post lennon /beatles credit him and his mates as being big influences in their careers ....thousends , Noel Gallagher named his son after him to and pity we never got to see what gems Lennon might have produced .

    Liam. Not Noel.


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  • #52
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    orourkeda wrote: »
    The fact that someone names their son after a well known figure is kind of sad.
    Not something I would do myself
    Degsy wrote: »
    No he didnt..Liam Gallagher did and a bigger prick than Liam Gallagher has yet to walk the earth.
    Luxie wrote: »
    Liam. Not Noel.
    Ah yeah that one


    I was never an Oasis fan myself but each to their own


  • #53
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Degsy wrote: »
    No he didnt..Liam Gallagher did and a bigger prick than Liam Gallagher has yet to walk the earth.

    have you ever met him?


  • #54
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    aDeener wrote: »
    have you ever met him?

    No..but i really hope to some day.


  • #55
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Degsy wrote: »
    No..but i really hope to some day.

    so you could push his brother noel??


  • #56
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    aDeener wrote: »
    so you could push his brother noel??

    I love the way in that bit of footage liam retreats cowering when the "fan" goes for him,waits till teh guy is buried under security and then starts fronting it pwopah hard,innit.

    A coward and a gasbag..i'd take great pleasure in using his head as a trampoline in front of his bird.


  • #57
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Degsy wrote: »
    I love the way in that bit of footage liam retreats cowering when the "fan" goes for him,waits till teh guy is buried under security and then starts fronting it pwopah hard,innit.

    A coward and a gasbag..i'd take great pleasure in using his head as a trampoline in front of his bird.

    oohh the irony.... i'm sure you would do a lot :rolleyes:


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