Is Meat Murder?

DrumSteve

Personally I believe it is but to be honest I will still eat burgers, steaks or whatever. The animals are mostly looked after correctly before slaughter so I guess I don't feel so bad about it.

Plus they are tasty.

OutlawPete

It is when you try to carry a whole pig on your back.

SV

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of food.

super_furry

My ancestors didn't struggle and battle their way to the top of the food chain just so I could eat flowers.

biko

If everyone had to start to kill their own meat instead of getting it served to them on plates there would be a hell of a lot more vegetarians around.

FF and proud

DrumSteve wrote: »

Personally I believe it is but to be honest I will still eat burgers, steaks or whatever. The animals are mostly looked after correctly before slaughter so I guess I don't feel so bad about it.

Plus they are tasty.

Ah would you come off of it, sure meat is good and healthy for you. Dont be letting those lefty vegetarian types make you feel guilty about enjoying a bit of meat on your plate. Sure look at all the jobs involved as well, its good for the economy.

Senna

DrumSteve wrote: »

Is Meat Murder?.

Cows, Pigs, Sheep = NO
Humans = Maybe

Daroxtar

You slaughter defenceless spuds and carrots and the like too but where are the plant rights activists? Its a fcukin disgrace.

There's no need for any of it , we can get enough to survive from licking stones.

FF and proud

biko wrote: »

If everyone had to start to kill their own meat instead of getting it served to them on plates there would be a hell of a lot more vegetarians around.

Ive had to shoot a few cows in my time for humane slaughter, it hasnt put off the meat one bit. That salad stuff is for rabbits, I need a good bit of meat to fill me up.

enda1

biko wrote: »

If everyone had to start to kill their own meat instead of getting it served to them on plates there would be a hell of a lot more vegetarians around.

Meh. If everyone had to grow and harvest their own fruit and vegetables there would be a hell of a lot more meat eaters around.

brummytom

Meh.. you don't make friends with salad

It wasn't me!

Nope, damn tasty is what it is. Bit of good exercise if you're hunting your own, too.

FoxT

only if it's Bambi .

Is meat unlawful killing?
No

Gunsfortoys

It is a tough subject, I would love to be able to be a vegetarian but it is impossible to give up chicken, beef etc.

It wasn't me!

FoxT wrote: »

only if it's Bambi .

Unfortunately, bambi is about the tastiest of the meats, so unfortunately, venison is always on the menu.

Cactus Colm

To expand on that .... is having pets a form of slavery?

Aodan83

biko wrote: »

If everyone had to start to kill their own meat instead of getting it served to them on plates there would be a hell of a lot more vegetarians around.

If everyone was forced to kill the animal themselves tomorrow to have meat, then a lot of people would be put off. If it had been the norm all along then people would probably be used to it and see it as a normal part of life. Wouldnt have quite as huge an affect like.
Personally, I don't believe meat is murder.

Sunnyisland

I dont belive its murder myself.

brummytom

Cactus Colm wrote: »

To expand on that .... is having pets a form of slavery?

Having a cat, I'm definitely the slave

The Floyd p

I for one believe that if meat was my penis and the murder was an 8 year old boy then.....

jimmycrackcorm

biko wrote: »

If everyone had to start to kill their own meat instead of getting it served to them on plates there would be a hell of a lot more vegetarians around.

Does that apply to zombies?

OutlawPete

Heifer whines could be human cries
closer comes the screaming knife
this beautiful creature must die
this beautiful creature must die

A death for no reason
and death for no reason is MURDER
and the flesh you so fancifully fry
is not succulent, tasty or nice
it is death for no reason

And death for no reason is MURDER
and the calf that you carve with a smile
is MURDER
and the turkey you festively slice
is MURDER
do you know how animals die?

Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
it's not "comforting", "cheery" or "kind"
it's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
of MURDER
it's not "natural", "normal" or kind
the flesh you so fancifully fry

The meat in your mouth
as you savour the flavour
of MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
who hears when animals cry?

PeterIanStaker

biko wrote: »

If everyone had to start to kill their own meat instead of getting it served to them on plates there would be a hell of a lot more vegetarians around.

No, there'd be a lot less vegetarians around, because they're weaker and therefore easier targets for us carnivores.

All ya gotta do is prise a weaker one away from the herd.

RMD

I hate all this crap spouted by animal rights activists about eating meat.

Simple fact is these animals wouldn't exist nowadays if we didn't use them for food. How many people do you know with a pet cow or chicken? When's the last time you saw wild cows?

Eat meat and enjoy it, it's damn tasty.

-Trek-

The animals will have their revenge, mark my words

It wasn't me!

OutlawPete wrote: »

Heifer whines could be human cries
closer comes the screaming knife
this beautiful creature must die
this beautiful creature must die

A death for no reason
and death for no reason is MURDER
and the flesh you so fancifully fry
is not succulent, tasty or nice
it is death for no reason

And death for no reason is MURDER
and the calf that you carve with a smile
is MURDER
and the turkey you festively slice
is MURDER
do you know how animals die?

Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
it's not "comforting", "cheery" or "kind"
it's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
of MURDER
it's not "natural", "normal" or kind
the flesh you so fancifully fry

The meat in your mouth
as you savour the flavour
of MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
who hears when animals cry?

I know how animals die. I'm comfortable that when I'm responsible it's quick and clean. I hate sensationalist twaddle like that. And don't give anything about it not being natural. Humans are predators. I'm driven to hunt. Cold air, fresh breezes and snow underfoot and I want nothing more than to hunt. It's what I think of all day I'm stuck working inside. Now that? That's not a natural thing, so presumably people who'll decry meat as an unnatural pursuit for humans are also posting this while availing of natural internet, on a natural laptop, from a cave.

IamtheWalrus

FF and proud wrote: »

Sure look at all the jobs involved as well, its good for the economy.

The transportation of meat around the world has huge negative impact on the environment.

I turned veggie 3 weeks ago because I am an animal lover and felt hypocritical eating them. In the main, most animals are killed 'humanely' but because it's a money making industry, corners are going to be cut.

I'm sure a cow loves being stuffed into a trailor, driven for hours, then brought to a slaughter house were it can hear the distress of other cows before being killed.

OutlawPete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNT4SQwxfYU

liah

mur·der   
[mur-der]
–noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

Theoretically if you applied human law to animals, then yes, technically it would be murder. But human law doesn't apply to animals, they can't comprehend human law. When it comes to killing, animals don't know the concept of murder. They just know surviving and not surviving.

They kill each other far more brutally than we kill them in the first world. To be honest, if I were an animal, and I had the choice to die from

a) being mauled to death by a carnivorous predator and having my internal organs ripped out for me to see as I lay dying,
b) dying in the wilderness of disease, old age or starvation and slowly being eaten alive by scavengers, or
c) being shot in the head before I even know what's going on,

I'd definitely go with c.

marco_polo

Daroxtar wrote: »

You slaughter defenceless spuds and carrots and the like too but where are the plant rights activists? Its a fcukin disgrace.

There's no need for any of it , we can get enough to survive from licking stones.

Lichen murderer

28064212

The Floyd p wrote: »

I for one believe that if meat was my penis and the murder was an 8 year old boy then.....

Your penis is an 8 year old boy?

Duggy747

Is meat murder? I don't think so, how can you kill a steak again? :pac:

I love dogs but I wouldn't kill them and eat them............too chewy.

Anyways we don't kill the animals just for food. In the case of the textile industry we can resource a crap-load of stuff from cows.

Boy, I do love eating beef & pork, though!

-Trek-

RMD wrote: »

I hate all this crap spouted by animal rights activists about eating meat.

Simple fact is these animals wouldn't exist nowadays if we didn't use them for food. How many people do you know with a pet cow or chicken? When's the last time you saw wild cows?

Eat meat and enjoy it, it's damn tasty.

I'm not going to argue that we should'nt eat meat, but I do believe we should hunt for it rather than this streamline processing BS we have, the animal should have a fair chance (effectively what we have now is genocide).

And another thing is if people saw the inner workings of a slaughter house i think they would have a healthier respect for the animal that gave its life so that you may live.

/minor rant

johngalway

NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM :pac:


































(and that's all I have to say about that).

Son Of A Vidic

I could murder a steak sambo right now!

IamtheWalrus

liah wrote: »

a) being mauled to death by a carnivorous predator and having my internal organs ripped out for me to see as I lay dying,
b) dying in the wilderness of disease, old age or starvation and slowly being eaten alive by scavengers, or
c) being shot in the head before I even know what's going on,

I'd definitely go with c.

Not the point. Most animals are bred for human consumption. None of the options above apply if the animal isn't bred this way.

BigDuffman

Hell no! We were designed to eat meat, we could only reach this current stage of evolutionary development through the protein gotten from eating meat. We have canine teeth design for ripping meat.

Man has also developed as an omnivore / predator. I can respect peoples right not to like meat on account of being sensitive to the way in which they are slaughtered. I don't understand it...but I respect your right to have an odd opinion.

Do you feel bad when you walk on a flower? Or when a defenceless carrot is mercilessly ripped out of the ground skinned and butchered. Or in some cases eaten whole and raw?

Lambs and cows may look cute but they are delicious and make me strong. You vegans keep nibbling away I'll stick to my meat. When society nose dives and we go primal on this mo fo I will be beating my chest and dragging your wimminz into my cave for a meat banquet, while you gather leaves.

I'd murder a burger now...

Ruu_Old

Sigh. Do we have to go through this AGAIN, OP?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bps-xbo8wnA

DrumSteve

Trekmad wrote: »

I'm not going to argue that we should'nt eat meat, but I do believe we should hunt for it rather than this streamline processing BS we have, the animal should have a fair chance (effectively what we have now is genocide).

And another thing is if people saw the inner workings of a slaughter house i think they would have a healthier respect for the animal that gave its life so that you may live.

/minor rant

Actually I watched a thing on bbc3 last year called kill it cook it eat it... showed the whole process in graphic detail. didn't turn me off meat to be honest.

liah

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Not the point. Most animals are bred for human consumption. None of the options above apply if the animal isn't bred this way.

But if they weren't bred that way they would face either option a or option b. No other options are available to them (except, perhaps, being hit by a car).

Tbh if it comes from a well-regulated and humane source it's really not the worst thing in the world you could do to the animal. Releasing them to the wild would be far more dangerous, not even just for the animals themselves but for the damage it would do to the environment.

-Trek-

DrumSteve wrote: »

Actually I watched a thing on bbc3 last year called kill it cook it eat it... showed the whole process in graphic detail. didn't turn me off meat to be honest.

I never said it should turn you off, I said you should get a healthier respect for the animal.

ejmaztec

There's no point waiting for an animal to die of old age before you shove it in the even, because it would be like eating a cross between an old leather handbag and a roofing slate.

enda1

Trekmad wrote: »

I'm not going to argue that we should'nt eat meat, but I do believe we should hunt for it rather than this streamline processing BS we have, the animal should have a fair chance (effectively what we have now is genocide).

And another thing is if people saw the inner workings of a slaughter house i think they would have a healthier respect for the animal that gave its life so that you may live.

/minor rant

Quite ironic that you consider it genocide then promote hunting for all humanity's meat sources. Farming animals guarantees the survival of the species, large scale hunting would decimate mammalian populations and drive all of the land hunted animals to extinction.

So which is genocide again?

IamtheWalrus

liah wrote: »

But if they weren't bred that way they would face either option a or option b. No other options are available to them (except, perhaps, being hit by a car).

Tbh if it comes from a well-regulated and humane source it's really not the worst thing in the world you could do to the animal. Releasing them to the wild would be far more dangerous, not even just for the animals themselves but for the damage it would do to the environment.

I haven't thought this out much and it might be unworkable but you would continue to consume all the living animals but bred no more. The animal would become extinct.

RMD

Trekmad wrote: »

I'm not going to argue that we should'nt eat meat, but I do believe we should hunt for it rather than this streamline processing BS we have, the animal should have a fair chance (effectively what we have now is genocide).

And another thing is if people saw the inner workings of a slaughter house i think they would have a healthier respect for the animal that gave its life so that you may live.

/minor rant

The animal didn't give it's life. The animals life was a thought out process before it was even conceived, what bull should be mated with what cow? Then after which constantly trying to hit target weights throughout their lifespan until they're ready for slaughter. If we had to hunt for it prices would soar hugely, people would in turn become hungry and malnourished.

What animals should even be hunted? The commonly hunted animals right now would be close to extinction in Ireland within 2-3 years if they were the sole source of meat.

liah

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I haven't thought this out much and it might be unworkable but you would continue to cosume all the living animal but bred no more. The animal would become extinct.

Yes, it would. It would not be able to be released into the wild because it's so domesticated it would be very easy prey for natural predators. It would destroy farmers' crops and any other herbivorous species in the area by taking all of their food. From there it's just a chain reaction.

Eating them actually gives these animals a decent life before the slaughter (again, assuming it's regulated and humane), keeps the species alive and keeps the environment relatively balanced.

Mass vegetarianism would actually be doom. Vegetarians tend not to understand the purposes of culling to keep nature's delicate balance. If you disrupt one thing, especially one as major and integral to society as meat, it has the potential to do irrevocable damage to pretty much everything from the economy to the environment. At least this particular way of culling (eating meat) serves a purpose (feeding us) and isn't just wasting the animal as would surely have to be done were we to live in a vegan world to keep numbers reasonable.

The only way to compromise would have to be a seriously long-term plan (too long for any of us to see the benefits of) to slowly phase out meat while simultaneously limiting breeding and introducing a wholly domesticated species into the wild.

Could take centuries to do it right.

IamtheWalrus

liah wrote: »

Eating them actually gives these animals a decent life before the slaughter

You are giving the animal a life for our own selfish needs. The animal doesn't need to exist. That's like saying 'at least we gave the slaves a life in the first place'.

I agree with the impact on the environment the lack of some animals would have but it would need to be carefull researched and planned. It's not impossible.

thenutflush

No, but force feeding Morrissey fillet steaks until he dies, is.

Lets do that.

ScArY_Cheese

Q: Is Meat Murder?
A: No, you can only murder a human being. Animals are slaughtered.




Although I suppose if the thread title said "Is Meat Slaughter?" it wouldn't make a whole load of sense. But nor does the current one.


Lot 'o footin' eejits in this thread imo.

OutlawPete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYX18NGTwls