CCTV tape of prison attack

CorkMan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRUZoHHIj4

Pure and utter scum. How come the police didn't respond?

starbelgrade

I find these violent voyeuristic video posts a bit disturbing.

AnonoBoy

Violently beaten?

As opposed to 'sensitively beaten'?

CorkMan wrote: »

Pure and utter scum. How come the police didn't respond?

I don't see the prisoner officers looking on. All I see is prisoners fighting.

I'm sure that's not that too rare an event.

Napper Hawkins

9/11?

KeithM89_old

Stuff like this happens all the time in prison. Is it because hes Muslim that this one gets 'flagged'??

Ghost Train

What does one of the prisoners being a Muslim have to do with anything

If prisoners in a secure area might take a while for guards to organise themselves to intervene

AnonoBoy

KeithM89 wrote: »

Stuff like this happens all the time in prison. Is it because hes Muslim that this one gets 'flagged'??

I believe they may be trying to insinuate that the prisoner officers let him get beaten because he's a muslim. Although I don't see prisoner officers in the video until the end so there's no evidence of that based solely on this video.

But y'know, let's not let that get in the way of a good rant, even if we don't know the difference between police and prisoner officers.

Mrmoe

CorkMan wrote: »

Pure and utter scum.

He is scum all right. Going back in with a few kicks to the head, there is no other word to describe the attacker.

CorkMan wrote: »

How come the police didn't respond?

I didn't see any prison guards on the video before 1.20.

jimmycrackcorm

I saw a video clip on a Sky tv program where a prison officer was attacked by 3 inmates in jail before eventually getting rescued. It so pissed me off that they didn't say whether he was Muslim or not.

arybvtcw0eolkf

starbelgrade wrote: »

I find these violent voyeuristic video posts a bit disturbing.

I find it more disturbing that more people aren't skilled fighters.

Handbag stuff tbh.

'Muslim' - big deal, I'd say he was just a bitch with even less skills than the aggressor. 'Lay & Pray' ain't never gonna work.

Rented Mule

CorkMan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRUZoHHIj4

Pure and utter scum. How come the police didn't respond?

I'm not sure if you realise this, but there is a very large Muslim population in US prisons made up primarily of blacks prisoners.

AnonoBoy

Mrmoe wrote: »

He is scum all right. Going back in with a few kicks to the head, there is no other word to describe the attacker.

Who would have thought you could find scum in a prison of all places?

scientific1982

Happens all the time. The disturbing thing about that clip is the prison officers just standing there.

AnonoBoy

scientific1982 wrote: »

Happens all the time. The disturbing thing about that clip is the prison officers just standing there.

Where? I honestly can't see prison officers until the end.

Maybe some catering staff in the back but I doubt they're going to do anything.

And that guy with the guitar doesn't look too official to me.

krudler

I kinda lol'ed at the fact he sits down for a second before going back for more

arybvtcw0eolkf

krudler wrote: »

I kinda lol'ed at the fact he sits down for a second before going back for more

He gassed.

Lack of conditioning is disgusting.

CorkMan

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Where? I honestly can't see prison officers until the end.

Maybe some catering staff in the back but I doubt they're going to do anything.

And that guy with the guitar doesn't look too official to me.

I thought there should be an alarm set off of is there is violence? From what I see there should be an officer with a rifle above the cafeteria at all times.

Treora

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Although I don't see prisoner officers in the video until the end so there's no evidence of that based solely on this video.

Eh it is a prison officer CCTV, they are watching the CCTV!

arybvtcw0eolkf

CorkMan wrote: »

I thought there should be an alarm set off of is there is violence? From what I see there should be an officer with a rifle above the cafeteria at all times.

And what, open fire in an enclosed space at two muppets having a row?.

Black Swan

Treora wrote: »

Eh it is a prison officer CCTV, they are watching the CCTV!

No Oscar for the Director.

Mrmoe

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Who would have thought you could find scum in a prison of all places?

True, prisons are generally cesspits of violent people, but at the same time you can have a lot of non violent criminals in prison as well.

CrazyRabbit

Assuming that they are both criminal scum, they can beat the crap out of each other 24/7 if they wish.

CorkMan

Ledger Most Circus wrote: »

And what, open fire in an enclosed space at two muppets having a row?.

No, fire some warning shots into the air, which is option A.

Option B is having a rifle with rubber bullets, which would hurt but not injure seriously. Can they seriously afford to see this happen often?

mikemac

CorkMan wrote: »

No, fire some warning shots into the air, which is option A.

In a room?
Where the bullet will hit the ceiling and may ricochet and hit anything or anyone. Maybe even the guard

Have you thought this through?

CorkMan

feelingstressed wrote: »

In a room?
Where the bullet will hit the ceiling and may ricochet and hit anything or anyone. Maybe even the guard

Have you thought this through?

I'm just going by what I saw in the movies, which I take to be accurate enough. I see warning shots, but I suppose they are out in the open...

Maybe fire the rubber bullets, but they make a big bang? Or some good o'l fashion tear gas.

mikemac

Warning shots outside are one thing.

In a cafeteria? Come on

phantom_lord

CorkMan wrote: »

I'm just going by what I saw in the movies, which I take to be accurate enough

I think I see what your problem is.

Senna

If there was a guard watching, but i didn't see one, he wont get involved till more guards arrive.
Call the inmate "Muslim" and it suddenly becomes news:rolleyes:

citizen_p

1 i'd like a source to prove he is a muslim. I assume you have a source just want to see it.

2, from any prison shows i've seen the prison guards (not police) always wait for a response team (basically riot gear armed) to quell the situation, one guard trying to break it up could result in him being injured/killed/taken hostage.

3 to reaffirm the above, you obviously havnt seen the video of the two neo-nazi inmates killing a black in mate and then casually standing up and wiping the blood of their hands laughing about it, and giving themselves up to the prison guards when they did storm in. it was on some documentry a while back. it wasnt a racist thing, it was the fact their was two neo nazis with a "shiv" which would pose a major threat to the prison guards on duty.

4. why did none of the other prisoners intervene?? why is this not the subject matter???? because a) you get stabbed b)they are convicted criminals and dont bloody care

i know if i was prison guard i wouldnt be rushing in, id wait for the armed response team. id rather see two convicted criminals stabbing eachother than stabbing me tbh.

kowloon

CorkMan wrote: »

I'm just going by what I saw in the movies, which I take to be accurate enough. I see warning shots, but I suppose they are out in the open...

Maybe fire the rubber bullets, but they make a big bang? Or some good o'l fashion tear gas.

They might use shotguns loaded with 'beanbag' rounds. These don't ricochet but will take someone down straight away. I've seen replacement stocks for shotguns that are orange so they are identifiable as the ones loaded with less than lethal rounds.

Then there's always tazers and spray.

Super-Rush

The prison guards did resopnd. You can clearly see this at the end of the video.

Overheal

Mousey- wrote: »

1 i'd like a source to prove he is a muslim. I assume you have a source just want to see it.

Video Description. If not Muslim, then Arab.

2, from any prison shows i've seen the prison guards (not police) always wait for a response team (basically riot gear armed) to quell the situation, one guard trying to break it up could result in him being injured/killed/taken hostage.

3 to reaffirm the above, you obviously havnt seen the video of the two neo-nazi inmates killing a black in mate and then casually standing up and wiping the blood of their hands laughing about it, and giving themselves up to the prison guards when they did storm in. it was on some documentry a while back. it wasnt a racist thing, it was the fact their was two neo nazis with a "shiv" which would pose a major threat to the prison guards on duty.

4. why did none of the other prisoners intervene?? why is this not the subject matter???? because a) you get stabbed b)they are convicted criminals and dont bloody care

i know if i was prison guard i wouldnt be rushing in, id wait for the armed response team. id rather see two convicted criminals stabbing eachother than stabbing me tbh.

According to the video description the guy beat on the glass of a guard post but I have no information on whether these were a response team or a surveillance team or what. The prison probably has very strict procedures on who can respond to what and when and it probably depends greatly on how well armed they are, for one thing, and the other is what kind of access they have. You also have to account for how many deadman switches are probably involved: if one or two guards are at the watch station, and one of them were to have to run in, the other would have to operate the gates. That or its done by keycard; then it would just take the prisoners overpowering a guard and getting access to a card. Or even for the simple matter of what happens if the rest of the prisoners decided to take the 2 guards hostage?

I don't think theres much going on here. You'd certainly have a rough time alleging that the Prison Guards were complacent because the victim happened to be Muslim or of Arab descent.

wonderfulname

Lets talk probability for a second, on the federal level Muslims make up about 6 percent of inmates, cant find stats for state prisons but I would assume the numbers are roughly the same.
In 2006 there were 667,900 violent acts committed under jurisdiction of state correctional authorities.

We gestimate (partially to prevent me having to open calculator) that perhaps 600,000 of these were directed at other inmates.
So assuming there is no bias 36,000 Muslims had a violent act committed onto them, similarly a higher number also committed such acts.

Unless you can prove that there is in fact a bias this video means nothing.

source

papajimsmooth

Its like they were fighting over the comfiest chair then when he sits on it he's all like " this isnt comfy at all, you lied to me". Gets up and kicks him in the face.

Coriolanus

The Muslims in the us jails are just as bad as the rest. I saw OZ.

biko

The youtube video gives the victims name as Hanni Elabed. If you google that you find some more info on this particular assault.
http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/private-police-powers/Content?oid=1558576

Violent beatdowns at the privately run Idaho Correctional Center appear to have subsided in recent weeks, in the wake of a class-action lawsuit against the prison and shakeup of prison leadership, according to documents obtained by Boise Weekly.

The prison reported 17 inmate-on-inmate assaults in January and 15 in February, according to a tally of incident reports filed with the Idaho Department of Correction. But there were only nine assaults reported in March and only four since warden Phillip Valdez and assistant warden Daniel Prado were replaced on March 17.

• On Jan. 18, sheriff's deputies investigated the severe beating of Hanni Elabed, who has filed a separate, $25 million claim against ICC and the state. The Ada County Prosecutor's Office intends to file charges against the inmate who beat him, according to Elabed's brother.

Rabies

Where does it say he was a muslim?
Is it in that article Biko?

If not, I'll edit the lovely sensationalist title

the bolt

CorkMan wrote: »

No, fire some warning shots into the air, which is option A.

Option B is having a rifle with rubber bullets, which would hurt but not injure seriously. Can they seriously afford to see this happen often?

yeah cause rubber bulets never killed anyone right:rolleyes:

biko

It says Muslim on the youtube page but I can't say he's actually Muslim.
For all we know he could be but it wasn't the reason for the beating.

Until we have some evidence the attack (several months ago) was because he was Muslim the thread title will be changed.

wes

Not a lot of info to go on, and if he is Muslim, the rest must not like him, as they normally would jump in to help the guy out.

phill106

CorkMan wrote: »

Pure and utter scum. How come the police didn't respond?

Probably no police in prison.

jackiebaron

Ledger Most Circus wrote: »

I find it more disturbing that more people aren't skilled fighters.

Handbag stuff tbh.

'Muslim' - big deal, I'd say he was just a bitch with even less skills than the aggressor. 'Lay & Pray' ain't never gonna work.

Being a "bitch" is no excuse for taking a thrashing. Cynicism and sadism don't make you a man, Ledger Most Circus. I agree....NEVER go to ground no matter how many you're up against. I made that mistake once but since then I just focus on one and brutalise him no matter what punishment is being thrown at me by others.
You may have studied many forms of martial art, Ledger Most Circus, but your flippant, adolescent, throw-away comments prove that you haven't learned a thing about inner strength or balance.

jackiebaron

CorkMan wrote: »

No, fire some warning shots into the air, which is option A.

Option B is having a rifle with rubber bullets, which would hurt but not injure seriously. Can they seriously afford to see this happen often?

Warning shots into the air? What? Up into the ceiling so they can ricochet around the room in fragments taking random people out? Or maybe blast through all the piping and electricals or penetrate upwards and blow the leg off someone on the floors above?
Yeah, smart move.
Two idiots pounding each other, you send in a handful of goons with night-sticks, give them a few wallops and impound them. If one is all fcuked up you send him to the infirmary.

Anyway, American prisons are pretty sick places. Spent a night in one myself. The guards there are sadistic cowards who get off on other peoples' misery so inflicting pain and torture on inmates or watching them scrap amongst themselves give the screws their little daily boner.

stovelid

starbelgrade wrote: »

I find these violent voyeuristic video posts a bit disturbing.

You can imagine people thinking that's so repulsive and shocking I feel drawn to watch it again. And again.

I might rebrand the video as paedo gets a hiding and watch the cheers, applause and heavy rotation roll in.

Duggy747

Heheh, a little word-play on the video and you can troll the reactions away.

Muslim gets beating = Boo for racist America.
Paedo gets beating = Yay for prisoners.

Why would people give a shìt about this scenario? The officers acted, this isn't Oz where the guards are looking for some blood after they were paid in boxes of fags.

maiden

i have seen a lot of violent videos on the net and none have any affect on me but, i was shown one last week that just was thee worst thing i have seen in my whole life.

I couldnt sleep for nights after it and couldnt eat either, i cant believe it is on the net for all to see.

Im not going to post any links, most of ye may have seen it anyway. Its a video that happened in the ukraine

stovelid

maiden wrote: »

Im not going to post any links, most of ye may have seen it anyway. Its a video that happened in the ukraine

Tell me about it. One of those horrible things I've ever seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rJLtz64Hg

Coriolanus

wes wrote: »

Not a lot of info to go on, and if he is Muslim, the rest must not like him, as they normally would jump in to help the guy out.

He probably was getting a beating for stealing someones rasher sandwich, hence the other Muslims not helping.

gav86

ya wanna see disgusting, type in <snip> into google! *Disclaimer* Its pretty brutal

--Kaiser--

Violence in prison shocker

RMD

CorkMan wrote: »

No, fire some warning shots into the air, which is option A.

Option B is having a rifle with rubber bullets, which would hurt but not injure seriously. Can they seriously afford to see this happen often?

1. Rubber bullets can kill, blind, maim etc.
2. The ricochet of a rubber bullet in a concrete / metal environment like that would lead more than likely to at least 1 person getting hit.
3. Movies aren't realistic, they're not going to show a 4-5 inch long rubber bullet bouncing around a room.