Life without headshops.

Lando Griffin

Its now almost 6 months since the Parents against Headshops got these evil, opportunist businesses closed down.
Now with a generation of young people without drugs, has it made this country a safer place to walk the streets of the villages knowing that a crazed drug fuelled youth will jump out at you and rob your purse?
Or when you are at 8.30am mass on Sunday morning the sound of the choir will be drowned by a fire engine coming to rescue 2 out of their mind youths from the steeple?
It has also probably freed up more space in our A&E wards on Saturday nights as mind bent drug users no longer start fights and are no longer demented from illusions.
Our mental institutions are now not suffering from an influx of thousands of youths and the like trying to get over their last "high".
Employers can now relax as their staff turn up for work without the ill effects of drug taking over the weekend.
Youth and the like also have more money to spend on the important things in life instead of throwing it away to some legalised drug peddeler.
Do you thing Ireland is a better place without headshops.

stovelid

Hint: drugs are still widely available.

Darraghnormal

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Its now almost 6 months since the Parents against Headshops got these evil, opportunist businesses closed down.
Now with a generation of young people without drugs, has it made this country a safer place to walk the streets of the villages knowing that a crazed drug fuelled youth will jump out at you and rob your purse?
Or when you are at 8.30am mass on Sunday morning the sound of the choir will be drowned by a fire engine coming to rescue 2 out of their mind youths from the steeple?
It has also probably freed up more space in our A&E wards on Saturday nights as mind bent drug users no longer start fights and are no longer demented from illusions.
Our mental institutions are now not suffering from an influx of thousands of youths and the like trying to get over their last "high".
Employers can now relax as their staff turn up for work without the ill effects of drug taking over the weekend.
Youth and the like also have more money to spend on the important things in life instead of throwing it away to some legalised drug peddeler.
Do you thing Ireland is a better place without headshops.

Drug use has gone up since they closed down, illegal drug use anyway.

There was serious Tax revenue coming in from the headshops at the time. :pac:

Now the streets are still full of the non taxable kind, and the A&E is still in bits.

stovelid

cisk wrote: »

There was serious Tax revenue coming in from the headshops at the time. :pac:

Sure what the country need with tax revenue anyway?

FatherLen

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Do you thing Ireland is a better place without headshops.

nothing has changed since they closed down.

biko

Can't say I've noticed any difference whatsoever but then I don't use drugs.

Cookie_Monster

Dey tuk ur shops

Duggy747

Pfffft, headshop drugs are for pussies!!

starbelgrade

I find that heroin takes the edge off in the mornings.

FlutterinBantam

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Its now almost 6 months since the Parents against Headshops got these evil, opportunist businesses closed down.
Now with a generation of young people without drugs, has it made this country a safer place to walk the streets of the villages knowing that a crazed drug fuelled youth will jump out at you and rob your purse?
Or when you are at 8.30am mass on Sunday morning the sound of the choir will be drowned by a fire engine coming to rescue 2 out of their mind youths from the steeple?
It has also probably freed up more space in our A&E wards on Saturday nights as mind bent drug users no longer start fights and are no longer demented from illusions.
Our mental institutions are now not suffering from an influx of thousands of youths and the like trying to get over their last "high".
Employers can now relax as their staff turn up for work without the ill effects of drug taking over the weekend.
Youth and the like also have more money to spend on the important things in life instead of throwing it away to some legalised drug peddeler.
Do you thing Ireland is a better place without headshops.

Much better place man, parents can now let their children and teenagers go to school safe in the knowledge that at lunchtime, instead of heading (pardon the pun) to the local headshop and getting some products which have not been tested,sold by people who only want to make a fast buck, but are totally unqualified and risking their long term health, they just eat their lunch.

These people and their shops mushroomed quickly,proof that they have plenty of ready cash and saw a money making opportunity big time.

Well done for closing them down and ridding the streets of them and the people who use them


Ireland is a cleaner and better place for sure.

Lando Griffin

Darraghnormal wrote: »

Drug use has gone up since they closed down, illegal drug use anyway.

In a recent survay in my village the results were as follows.

35% of youths took no drugs
37% dont take the drugs that were sold in head shops.
28% have immigrated.
So there you have it 65% of our youth are better off without Headshops.

Darraghnormal

Lando Griffin wrote: »

In a recent survay in my village the results were as follows.

35% of youths took no drugs
37% dont take the drugs that were sold in head shops.
28% have immigrated.
So there you have it 65% of our youth are better off without Headshops.

What village are you in??

Did it occur to you that they could just be lying?

Lando Griffin

Lando Griffin wrote: »

In a recent survay in my village the results were as follows.

35% of youths took no drugs
37% dont take the drugs that were sold in head shops.
28% have immigrated.
So there you have it 65% of our youth are better off without Headshops.

28% of our youth are better off

thebigbiffo

quick, someone let joe duffy know!! the youth of this country are still taking drugs!!:eek:

Dizraeligears

I lost the plot altogether when they closed.Started goin to mass and listenin to Joe Duffy

Elevator

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Much better place man, parents can now let their children and teenagers go to school safe in the knowledge that at lunchtime, instead of heading (pardon the pun) to the local headshop and getting some products which have not been tested,sold by people who only want to make a fast buck, but are totally unqualified and risking their long term health, they just eat their lunch.

These people and their shops mushroomed quickly,proof that they have plenty of ready cash and saw a money making opportunity big time.

Well done for closing them down and ridding the streets of them and the people who use them


Ireland is a cleaner and better place for sure.

are you for real? in all honesty I'm not saying it didn't happen in isolated cases, who knows! did you actually observe this happening?? I for one had friends who worked in all three head shops in Galway and they would not sell to underagers!! even had two friends who would actually guard the door at lunchtime to observe the school kids passing the shop, making sure they didn't come in and also to make sure the kids didn't try to get an adult to buy stuff for them!!

now how hard do you think it is for anybody in this country to get drugs from the street?? easier than going to the shop my friend that's how hard!!

since the shops have closed down dealers have been selling a variety of xtc, mostly bzp (which mary "fat Cnut" harney banned in 07 I think!! wow!!!) for between €1.50 to €5/6 or strong real xtc for €10 each if you're lucky enough to find them!! we have bought what turned out to be bzp pills 3/4 times in the past few months and all had a **** night because of it. then again we scored MDMA (pure xtc crystals!!) a couple of times and we all had the best night of our lives!!

there's been no shortage of top quality homegrown weed about as regular as clockwork, so regular that for the first time in my life I'm buying an oz once a month and that means less trips outside for drugs than I had when head shops were open.

had some really nice coke a couple of times too, at €100 a gram it wasn't cheap but them ya do pay for quality!!

all in all nothing has changed!! drugs are still everywhere. weed, hash, xtc and all it's derivitives and substitutes, speed, cocaine and where there is good cocaine there will be people washing it up quite simply and smoking it as crack, LSD, heroin, every type of prescription only drug you can think of that will make you high are all available 24 hours a day from places and people the guards either don't have a clue about or just don't care!!

put that in your pipe and smoke it!!

Elevator

Dizraeligears wrote: »

I lost the plot altogether when they closed.Started goin to mass and listenin to Joe Duffy

CHRIST!!

Sykk

I heard you can still make such purchases from other ladies and gentlemen outside of these shops. Don't quote me though.

Feelgood

The thing I found so laughable was that when the head shops shut, because loads of people had developed such a liking to the head shop crap proper illegal drug dealers ended up selling the head shop drugs because of the demand!

So where we were getting at least some tax from it, the head shop drugs are still widely available just not from head shops.

Wait a second, could the head shops closing be the reason we went IMF :eek:

Duggy747

Sykk wrote: »

I heard you can still make such purchases from other ladies and gentlemen outside of these shops. Don't quote me though.

Oops, sorry. :pac:

Well, I dunno about the whole "our youths futures are saved, PRAISE!!" but I'm definitely glad that the headshops are gone. Dirty, dirty stuff they were selling which was quite funny to see recreational smokers I know avoid their stuff like the plague.

Durgs aren't exactly hard to get but the untested, chemical-ridden, labelled as incense gunk that was fobbed off was too easy to buy.

Now, Timmy can go off and get that PHD. or become president!! :pac:

karlm37

Drugs are now better quality and easier to come by I find, and cheaper! Thanks Mary Harney!

thebigbiffo

Elevator wrote: »

are you for real? in all honesty I'm not saying it didn't happen in isolated cases, who knows! did you actually observe this happening?? I for one had friends who worked in all three head shops in Galway and they would not sell to underagers!! even had two friends who would actually guard the door at lunchtime to observe the school kids passing the shop, making sure they didn't come in and also to make sure the kids didn't try to get an adult to buy stuff for them!!

now how hard do you think it is for anybody in this country to get drugs from the street?? easier than going to the shop my friend that's how hard!!

since the shops have closed down dealers have been selling a variety of xtc, mostly bzp (which mary "fat Cnut" harney banned in 07 I think!! wow!!!) for between €1.50 to €5/6 or strong real xtc for €10 each if you're lucky enough to find them!! we have bought what turned out to be bzp pills 3/4 times in the past few months and all had a **** night because of it. then again we scored MDMA (pure xtc crystals!!) a couple of times and we all had the best night of our lives!!

there's been no shortage of top quality homegrown weed about as regular as clockwork, so regular that for the first time in my life I'm buying an oz once a month and that means less trips outside for drugs than I had when head shops were open.

had some really nice coke a couple of times too, at €100 a gram it wasn't cheap but them ya do pay for quality!!

all in all nothing has changed!! drugs are still everywhere. weed, hash, xtc and all it's derivitives and substitutes, speed, cocaine and where there is good cocaine there will be people washing it up quite simply and smoking it as crack, LSD, heroin, every type of prescription only drug you can think of that will make you high are all available 24 hours a day from places and people the guards either don't have a clue about or just don't care!!

put that in your pipe and smoke it!!

dont feed the flutt!!

FlutterinBantam

Elevator wrote: »

are you for real? in all honesty I'm not saying it didn't happen in isolated cases, who knows! did you actually observe this happening?? I for one had friends who worked in all three head shops in Galway and they would not sell to underagers!! even had two friends who would actually guard the door at lunchtime to observe the school kids passing the shop, making sure they didn't come in and also to make sure the kids didn't try to get an adult to buy stuff for them!!

Real as it gets, I'm afraid.

What qualifications had your three friends to sell mind altering drugs to the public?

Elevator wrote: »

now how hard do you think it is for anybody in this country to get drugs from the street?? easier than going to the shop my friend that's how hard!!

since the shops have closed down dealers have been selling a variety of xtc, mostly bzp (which mary "fat Cnut" harney banned in 07 I think!! wow!!!) for between €1.50 to €5/6 or strong real xtc for €10 each if you're lucky enough to find them!! we have bought what turned out to be bzp pills 3/4 times in the past few months and all had a **** night because of it. then again we scored MDMA (pure xtc crystals!!) a couple of times and we all had the best night of our lives!!

there's been no shortage of top quality homegrown weed about as regular as clockwork, so regular that for the first time in my life I'm buying an oz once a month and that means less trips outside for drugs than I had when head shops were open.

had some really nice coke a couple of times too, at €100 a gram it wasn't cheap but them ya do pay for quality!!

Most real people would consider that an extremely foolish lifestyle.

Elevator wrote: »

all in all nothing has changed!! drugs are still everywhere. weed, hash, xtc and all it's derivitives and substitutes, speed, cocaine and where there is good cocaine there will be people washing it up quite simply and smoking it as crack, LSD, heroin, every type of prescription only drug you can think of that will make you high are all available 24 hours a day from places and people the guards either don't have a clue about or just don't care!!

put that in your pipe and smoke it!!

Eh.. I don't smoke .

thirtythirty

The only thing that has changed is that those who were going to be "experimenting" with Headshop things, are now doing so with stronger illegal drugs...

....like the 17 year old who's brain swelled and he died after taking 4 or 5 ecstasy last week or the week before.[RIP]


Well done parents against headshops, good foresight there.
It's like removing a fire-protector grate from a fireplace in case the kid accidentally burned himself on the hot protector.....


The worst bit is - when the banning was proposed and people argued that it doesn't matter if it is banned, kids will still get it anyway, the Pro Banners said "pish posh". But if you confronted them now saying "look - this tragedy is related to the banning you instigated", they'd suddenly whip out the "those kids would have still got the ecstasy anyway" argument.

Odysseus

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Most real people would consider that an extremely foolish lifestyle.

You post smacks of ignorance, I spent my working life with addicts, when you use a term like foolish, you implie being intelligent will prevent a person going down that road.

A clear sign to me that a person knows nothing about drug use

FlutterinBantam

Odysseus wrote: »

You post smacks of ignorance, I spent my working life with addicts, when you use a term like foolish, you implie being intelligent will prevent a person going down that road.

A clear sign to me that a person knows nothing about drug use

If you take the time to read my post you may note that I referred to a 'foolish lifestyle'

I made no reference good or bad to the person's intelligence.

Your inference is incorrect in that regard sir.

Elevator

@flutt

my friends who worked in the head shops were no more "qualified" than your average street dealer, by and large most street dealers have a personal relationship with most of their clientelle and wouldn't like to hear of anyone coming to any harm (good drug dealers) and I cam tell you now that there are good and bad drug dealers!! nobody was ever offered drugs on tick in the head shops!! nobody was ever given bad advice in the head shops! unlike the government, my mates told people the truth so as to minimise the likely hood of a bad experience.

Mary harneys bull**** about mushrooms, bzp, mephadrone fell on deaf ears with users cos we had all taken them and they really weren't as bad as she made them out to be, surprise surprise haha.

if head shops had been left to sell mushrooms like at the begining then there wouldn't have been a need to get in stock to keep the shop open!

you might think we've turned a corner since the head shops closed but I think you're like another brian lenihen, deluded!!

drugs have been around for a long time and they'll be around for infinity, they'll probably outlive the human race, unless the earth turns into a fireball and not even plant matter survives!!

Snakeblood

FatherLen wrote: »

nothing has changed since they closed down.

THE IMF CAME.

Odysseus

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If you take the time to read my post you may note that I referred to a 'foolish lifestyle'

I made no reference good or bad to the person's intelligence.

Your inference is incorrect in that regard sir.

Re-read still stand over you callling it a foolish lifestyle implies what I already said. What is the flip side of a foolish lifestyle?

Elevator

on a lighter note as I slowly feel the effects of my first jack herer spliff of the day...

here we go again with yet another completely useless head shop thread

120_Minutes

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Real as it gets, I'm afraid.

What qualifications had your three friends to sell mind altering drugs to the public?.

The same ones required by pubs??

Genghiz Cohen

Y'all niggas postin' in a troll thread.

curlzy

I'm glad they're gone, the amount of people I know that ended up having **** nights out because of the crap they were peddling. None of that crap has been around long enough to be tested long term. Give me good old fashioned drugs anyday. I tried a few of the head shop substitues and all I ever got was headachey, shivery and a crap couple of days afterwards. So I'm glad they're gone

Elevator

120_Minutes wrote: »

The same ones required by pubs??

but wait the pubs/off-licences have a licence granted to them for a fee by our government so that's ok

like fcuk it is!!!

120_Minutes

Elevator wrote: »

but wait the pubs/off-licences have a licence granted to them for a fee by our government so that's ok

like fcuk it is!!!

Don't you know anything? It's ok to drink your drug.


Which is why I'm marketing a new line of northern lights shakes...

FlutterinBantam

Elevator wrote: »

@flutt

my friends who worked in the head shops were no more "qualified" than your average street dealer, by and large most street dealers have a personal relationship with most of their clientelle and wouldn't like to hear of anyone coming to any harm (good drug dealers) and I cam tell you now that there are good and bad drug dealers!! nobody was ever offered drugs on tick in the head shops!! nobody was ever given bad advice in the head shops! unlike the government, my mates told people the truth so as to minimise the likely hood of a bad experience.

I think that about answers everything!! The drug dealers are our friends and want to help us!!

Elevator wrote: »

Mary harneys bull**** about mushrooms, bzp, mephadrone fell on deaf ears with users cos we had all taken them and they really weren't as bad as she made them out to be, surprise surprise haha.

if head shops had been left to sell mushrooms like at the begining then there wouldn't have been a need to get in stock to keep the shop open!

you might think we've turned a corner since the head shops closed but I think you're like another brian lenihen, deluded!!

The only thing I think is that Ireland is better off without unqualified people selling untested drugs to people legally.

Elevator wrote: »

drugs have been around for a long time and they'll be around for infinity, they'll probably outlive the human race, unless the earth turns into a fireball and not even plant matter survives!!

Indeed they will, lot longer than most of the users I would suspect.

That's life.

Coriolanus

I can't decide if flut and the op are trolling or serious

raven136

Are drugs still easy to buy including former headshop stock?Yes

Did headshops make mephedrone etc more available?Yes

Does it make any difference to most people whether there are headshops or not?Not really.

Good pills,coke,mephedrone etc are all still around and almost as easy to get and in some cases availbale from former headshop owners(Allegedly )

Is there a point to this thread?No

Shulgin

Recreational drug use was brushed under the carpet and handed right back to the criminal gangs. How can the place be possibly safer?

At least out in the open it could have been monitor or regulated in some way, now we are back to square one,

The government could have been pioneers in changing the direction in the war on drugs ,but instead set us right back 10 years.


On the other hand I am glad that the younger crowd can't get there hands on research chemicals so easily in high st shops. Such access was unacceptable.

Elevator

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I think that about answers everything!! The drug dealers are our friends and want to help us!!


The only thing I think is that Ireland is better off without unqualified people selling untested drugs to people legally.


Indeed they will, lot longer than most of the users I would suspect.

That's life.

in my defence let me introduce you to the great Dr Shulgin who at the age of 85 suffers a
stroke and who has tried every possible known buzzer out there

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin?wasRedirected=true

FlutterinBantam

let me introduce you to reality

thebigbiffo

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let me introduce you to reality

yeah, the reality that drugs can kill and that most deaths are related to cocaine and heroin? can ya post anything actually relevant there flute?

Pace2008

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let me introduce you to reality

Holy ****, heroin's dangerous? Better warn my clubber mates; we're mad for the stuff at the moment.

thebigbiffo

Pace2008 wrote: »

Holy ****, heroin's dangerous? Better warn my clubber mates; we're mad for the stuff at the moment.

jesus yeah - i actually thought those pesky headshops weren't too bad till i found out (obviously thanks to prof flute) that they were selling heroin and coke to school kids. i rang joe duffy then and he sorted it out. where'd we be without flute and jow to protect us?

FlutterinBantam

thebigbiffo wrote: »

yeah, the reality that drugs can kill and that most deaths are related to cocaine and heroin? can ya post anything actually relevant there flute?

Sure

Pace2008

In fairness though, whilst our drug laws are utterly broken, the way in which heads hops were conducting their business wasn't ideal either.

I don't like to toot my own horn, but I posted this piece of tl;dr a while back that summed up what I feel is a fairly balanced view om the head shop situation and our attitude towards drugs in general.

Elevator

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let me introduce you to reality

checkmate

http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/6389/1/4045-4323.pdf

FlutterinBantam

Elevator wrote: »

checkmate

http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/6389/1/4045-4323.pdf

It would be if I was defending alcohol, I'm not.

Pookah

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Much better place man, parents can now let their children and teenagers go to school safe in the knowledge that at lunchtime, instead of heading (pardon the pun) to the local headshop and getting some products which have not been tested,sold by people who only want to make a fast buck, but are totally unqualified and risking their long term health, they just eat their lunch.

These people and their shops mushroomed quickly,proof that they have plenty of ready cash and saw a money making opportunity big time.

Well done for closing them down and ridding the streets of them and the people who use them


Ireland is a cleaner and better place for sure.

You can't beat AH for satire.

General Zod

so the main jist of your argument is that Headshops were bad because there was a cocaine and heroin epidemic in 2007?

Not as many tooting these days, I'd wager.