All your discussion on budget cuts / 4 year plan announcements today goes here.

dr.bollocko

Hello folks,
So today they're publishing the 15bn cuts plan, thought to hit the dole, the minimum wage and probably everything else.

The Government will publish its €15bn plan for drastic savings today as it battles economic ruin against a backdrop of political turmoil and a further downgrading of the country's credit rating.

Significant tax hikes, new levies in property and water and cuts to the dole and minimum wage are expected in the 150-page four-year budget road map.

Taoiseach Brian Cowen has called for solidarity across the political system, while social justice campaigners demanded the poorest were spared.

Opposition parties were warned the country’s bail-out was only secure if swingeing cuts and tax rises and a more detailed €6bn Budget on December 7, were passed.


Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/drastic-cuts-plan-to-save-economy-482990.html#ixzz16BrgZx37

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As this is big news and we don't want it to choke down AH, please keep all the discussion to this thread for the time being.
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I believe the correct term to use in this instance is "Ah feck."

orourkeda

Let the cutting commence

Super-Rush

I need a haircut. Does that count?

ejmaztec

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Hello folks,
So today they're publishing the 15bn cuts plan, thought to hit the dole, the minimum wage and probably everything else.

[Mod]
As this is big news and we don't want it to choke down AH, please keep all the discussion to this thread for the time being.
[/mod]

I believe the correct term to use in this instance is "Ah feck."

A lot of people might be leaning towards "Ah bollocko." instead.:(

Funkfield

Cuts?

<snip>

Adam

anyone know when it's being announced/released?

Super-Rush

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Hello folks,
So today they're publishing the 15bn cuts plan, thought to hit the dole, the minimum wage and probably everything else.
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Adam wrote: »

anyone know when it's being announced/released?

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Adam

super-rush wrote: »

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yes i can read that, i'm wondering if i should be keeping an eye out for it to hit news sites any minute or if i can relax until the turtlehead starts poking around lunch time

Funkfield

Adam wrote: »

anyone know when it's being announced/released?

2 o'clock afaik

senordingdong

COME ON INCOME TAX HIKES!

God I do love income tax hikes.

Penn

We should protest! I don't know why yet, but I'm sure there'll be something in it which doesn't please me! C'mon! Anyone who doesn't protest with me hates Ireland!

Donkey Oaty

Any word on the Winter Cheese Allowance yet?

alexa5x5

NNNNOOOOO!! Dear god not another budget/economic thread!! :eek: How many ways can people post about essentially the same topic?!?

Penn

alexa5x5 wrote: »

NNNNOOOOO!! Dear god not another budget/economic thread!! :eek: How many ways can people post about essentially the same topic?!?

Actually, this is a new megathread for today's new announcement to try and prevent loads of threads being started later. The mods are thinking ahead. UNLIKE THE GOVERNMENT!! ROFL!!!!

This is going to be a mega thread ...so will someone do a short concise synopsis preferable in built points explaining what its all means .... then hight light your post with a star or something so i can find it ...thanks:D

jd007

mariaalice wrote: »

This is going to be a mega thread ...so will someone do a short concise synopsis preferable in built points explaining what its all means .... then hight light your post with a star or something so i can find it ...thanks:D

i'll do it as concise as possible.

we're fcuked.

giant_midget

I read over on another forum that rent allowance is being chopped for the long term unemployted...I would welcome this move as it's yet another drain on our countries finances, This will help to deflate the cost of renting a house for the average joe..

Also step by step cuts for long term unemployed i.e money goes down as time goes on, I would welcome this also.

From what i gather this is all aimed at people on the dole pre 2007, work shy loosers



Alan

senordingdong

jesusinaglanza wrote: »

I read over on another forum that rent allowance is being chopped for the long term unemploytedAlan

Why stop there!?

I know I'll get alot of flack for this and I stand by it, but why does being a single parent absolve a person of paying their own way in the eyes of the Dept. of Social Welfare?

Adam

would everyone just shut the fcuk up until the bloody thing is announced. all this guessing and speculation, it's like the equivalent of masturbation for some of ye, i'd swear it.

giant_midget

Adam wrote: »

would everyone just shut the fcuk up until the bloody thing is announced. all this guessing and speculation, it's like the equivalent of masturbation for some of ye, i'd swear it.

Becase it is going to effect all of our pay packets, people are going to talk about this stuff...that is normal...

DrumSteve

I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly... .

squod

• IMF are here
• We're fuhked
• The government won't tax rich people.
• So that means you're paying

Absurdum

hit the red button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

senordingdong

Absurdum wrote: »

hit the red button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How is Sky interactive going to help?

Chairman Meow

Oh look, what a shocker, FF going back on their word on having an election in January. Election wont be until spring now apparently.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-election-until-spring-cowen-2433052.html

senordingdong

senordingdong wrote: »

I know I'll get alot of flack for this and I stand by it, but why does being a single parent absolve a person of paying their own way in the eyes of the Dept. of Social Welfare?

Too right. The solution is abortions. :pac:

(No, seriously.)

ninebeanrows

Lads the budget is almost irrelevant at this stage.

The amount if debt we are going to have to take on is unsustainable. It's either 30 years of decline or Default and 2-3 years of pain.

We need to stand up, let the banks fail and start with a clean slate.

Otherwise there will be no point on living in Ireland for the next 30 years.

Aldebaran

Will there be beer?

Absurdum

Weathercheck wrote: »

Lads the budget is almost irrelevant at this stage.

The amount if debt we are going to have to take on is unsustainable. It's either 30 years of decline or Default and 2-3 years of pain.

We need to stand up, let the banks fail and start with a clean slate.

Otherwise there will be no point on living in Ireland for the next 30 years.

this^

plus:

Ten yr bond yields rising sharply: SPAIN 5.06% PORTUGAL 7.06%IRELAND 8.71% GREECE 11.86%

game over

Aldebaran

Absurdum wrote: »

game over

Press any button to continue.

yom 1

Aldebaran wrote: »

Will there be beer?

There will be more tax on beer........does that count?

optogirl

Aldebaran wrote: »

Press any button to continue.

Where's the ANY button?

Absurdum

optogirl wrote: »

Where's the ANY button?

DEL FF

then

CTRL D E F A U L T

CountingCrows

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Oh look, what a shocker, FF going back on their word on having an election in January. Election wont be until spring now apparently.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-election-until-spring-cowen-2433052.html

When did FF say there would be a January election?

senordingdong

Deleted User wrote: »

Too right. The solution is abortions. :pac:

(No, seriously.)

Meh, the option is already there, but many knackers refuse to have them.
Maybe if the state was refusing to support their children, they would think twice about having it.

optogirl

senordingdong wrote: »

Meh, the option is already there, but many knackers refuse to have them.
Maybe if the state was refusing to support their children, they would think twice about having it.

Refuse to have them? or Perhaps can't afford to go to England seeing as it's still illegal here

thebigbiffo

perversely, i'm really looking forward to this budget...it's like soap opera for the pocket. will he - wont he, the bad man's behind the bookcase, who murdered the poor etc.

*does the budget dance at desk

yep, it's gonna be great craic altogether

Adam

thebigbiffo wrote: »

perversely, i'm really looking forward to this budget...it's like soap opera for the pocket. will he - wont he, the bad man's behind the bookcase, who murdered the poor etc.

*does the budget dance at desk

yep, it's gonna be great craic altogether

aw snap!

senordingdong

optogirl wrote: »

Refuse to have them? or Perhaps can't afford to go to England seeing as it's still illegal here

Can't afford an abortion, but can somehow afford to have a child.

Something seriously wrong with that.

optogirl

senordingdong wrote: »

Can't afford an abortion, but can somehow afford to have a child.

Something seriously wrong with that.

Even poor people are allowed to breed you know. Of course people should think a little more about their ability to raise children etc but this is true in every class for various reasons, not just monetary.

Giblet

Cut the dole completely, people should be out breaking their backs and eating scraps from bins, I know I would if I didn't have a job!!!! (note: I WILL ALWAYS HAVE A HIGHPAYING JOB).
Seriously, you are all lazy bastards who need to get off your arses. You did crap in your leaving certs now you want a handout? The only handout from me you'll get is to push you out of the way with the words "Sorry, no change" (I only carry 50's and that's because shops moan if you give them bigger).
Young families should find newspapers for nappies, no need to buy anything else, sure didn't we survive 10,000 years ago with bark? Also, old people should be out digging up roads and fixing my broadband!

Scroungers! I didn't work hard for the last 2 years to hear winging from SW frauds and lazy hipster students. I hope you all freeze this winter! I'm off to Australia to get warm and to think about how awesome it is to have a job! YOU LAZY FECKERS, I HAVE TONS OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE TO BACK MY HARD FACTS UP!

PS: Kill the poor

This thread is about the 4 year plan? how come it turned in to a bash loan parents and people on social welfare thread.

If any of ye get a chance read Foucault ....he is very interesting on how its okay for the powerful talk about the powerless but somehow its not alright for the powerless to question the powerful.

senordingdong

optogirl wrote: »

Even poor people are allowed to breed you know. Of course people should think a little more about their ability to raise children etc but this is true in every class for various reasons, not just monetary.

Agreed.

But we're here we're talking about the people who don't work, and have no desire to work, 'breeding' at a higher rate then those who do work and have a desire to work, with no financial worries because the state will pay for it all.

Perhaps if the message was rung home that the state will not support these children, there would be less of them.
Or atleast, less of a burden on the state.

Turtyturd

mariaalice wrote: »

This thread is about the 4 year plan? how come it turned in to a bash loan parents and people on social welfare thread.

Agreed, I mean the social welfare bashing I get...but those loan parents are only trying to help the orphans.

Absurdum

Turtyturd wrote: »

Agreed, I mean the social welfare bashing I get...but those loan parents are only trying to help the orphans.

I wonder if I could get a loan of a milf for a few hours


or minutes

mikom

November 21, 2010
When asked about the scale of the loan likely to be sought, Mr Lenihan confirmed that the figures would be tens of billions but would be “nowhere near” €70 billion or €80 billion as suggested by the presenter Richard Crowley.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1121/breaking1.html?via=rel

November 24, 2010
The European Union and the International Monetary Fund will offer the Government an €85bn facility, which can be used to recapitalise the banks and fund the public finances.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1123/economy.html

Can these cunts tell the truth on anything?

Noreen1

mikom wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1121/breaking1.html?via=rel


http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1123/economy.html

Can these cunts tell the truth on anything?

Good grief, no!:eek:
I mean, how do you expect them to get re-elected? Anyway, aren't the Irish electorate "mathematically challenged" according to McCreevy?:rolleyes:

How the mighty have fallen - the trouble is, they seem to be determined to take the rest of us with them!!!

Noreen

mickydoomsux

mikom wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1121/breaking1.html?via=rel


http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1123/economy.html

Can these cunts tell the truth on anything?

To be fair that was two seperate sets of people saying the two different things.

I'd still trust the IMF/ECB figure more though.

connundrum

Just fucking default.

We'll be on the black list for 5 odd years, but then after that we'll be in a better situation than we are now (surely?!).

30+ years of €10bn in loan and interest payments is not feasible.

yermandan

If the government is definately going to fall in January, wont whoever comes in have their own budget to announce soon after or will they keep and adopt the budget that will be set out next month? If its the former, then this whole 4 year plan/budget is a waste of time, no?

hotmail.com

Yes even TV3 are broadcasting the 4 Year Plan announcement today.