Questions for Atheists

sebastian4jc

King Mob wrote: »

Swap universe for rainbows and there you go.

Eh, not really. The entire universe is not the same as a rainbow. Universes can have rainbows. Are the moderators asleep or what? There is a large amount of spam and name calling going on here.

housetypeb

sebastian4jc wrote: »

The God that created the universe. Because a unicorn is not a God.

Where's the proof that god is not an unicorn?




Make mine a B.L.T to go, please.

Zillah

sebastian4jc wrote: »

The God that created the universe. Because a unicorn is not a God.

Yes it is.

God exists, but God is a unicorn. You have to prove that I am wrong or it makes no sense to talk about God as though He were not a unicorn.




....starting to see why the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim?

fudgez

sebastian4jc wrote: »

The God that created the universe. Because a unicorn is not a God.

But if I say A unicorn did create the universe do I have any less evidence then you? so it is an arguement which is equally valid... unlike say the evidence for a scientists view/theory of the universe which is backed up by observable evidence and while it does not rule out the possibility of an intelligent designer does show that at least since the Universes creation (or a few micro-seconds after it) he has been inactive allowing the chips to fall as they may based on the laws of Physics. If on the off chance there was an intelligent designer who has been inactive since a few seconds after the creation of the universe and we arrived many hundreds of billions of years later on the scene it is very unlikely the whole lot is just a "soul farm" would you concede that?

I'm quite partial to peanut butter and Jelly myself

fudgez

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Eh, not really. The entire universe is not the same as a rainbow. Universes can have rainbows. Are the moderators asleep or what? There is a large amount of spam and name calling going on here.

I plead guilty to calling you a troll and thats another sandwich

Spam!!!

Nevyn

sebastian4jc wrote: »

The God that created the universe. Because a unicorn is not a God.

Which God from which creation story?

Tu-chai-pai
Tepeu and Kukulkán
The set of eight gods, called the Ogdoad
Gaia
Kumulipo

There are so many Gods who are said to be creators.

Zillah

Thaedydal wrote: »

Which God from which creation story?

Tu-chai-pai
Tepeu and Kukulkán
The set of eight gods, called the Ogdoad
Gaia
Kumulipo

There are so many Gods who are said to be creators.

I bet you've worked it out though. Do you still have magic powers?

strobe

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Eh, not really. The entire universe is not the same as a rainbow. Universes can have rainbows. Are the moderators asleep or what? There is a large amount of spam and name calling going on here.

I think he was getting at the fact that 'god created the rainbow', it was a gift for Noah......only then we figured out they were just light refracting when entering rain droplets at an angle of 40-42%, then reflecting off the back and then refracting on it's way back out. So it turns out rainbows weren't magiced up by God after the flood, they are just an optical phenomenon that have existed as long as water and light have.

Turns out, probably the same deal with the universe, humans couldn't work out how it was there. Humans don't like not knowing how things happened, so they said 'god did it'. But give it a while and it will all go the way of the rainbow.

Bacon, sausage, pudding, hash browns and fried egg.

DeBunny

Yeah but unicorns exist because the bible says so*. And the bible is the truth because god says so and god is real because the bible says so.

*Job 39:9-12 (King James Version
9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?



Tayto crisps and loadsa butter on the heels of a loaf of batch bread.

King Mob

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Eh, not really. The entire universe is not the same as a rainbow. Universes can have rainbows. Are the moderators asleep or what? There is a large amount of spam and name calling going on here.

So how do you explain rainbows without unicorns?

sebastian4jc

Thaedydal wrote: »

Which God from which creation story?

Tu-chai-pai
Tepeu and Kukulkán
The set of eight gods, called the Ogdoad
Gaia
Kumulipo

There are so many Gods who are said to be creators.

Genesis. Why do people keep claiming things like Gods and unicorns are the same... they're clearly not. Neither are universes and rainbows. Are you guys just messing with me? Can someone please explain to me why people are talking about sandwiches and calling me some kind of monster? I'm new here maybe this some kind of boards.ie in-joke or something? I don't get it.

amacachi

King Mob wrote: »

That's me not sleeping for a few hours.

King Mob wrote: »

So how do you explain rainbows without unicorns?

I thought it was only double rainbows that unicorns were responsible for?

sebastian4jc

King Mob wrote: »

So how do you explain rainbows without unicorns?

I didn't explain rainbows... I said they weren't the same as the universe... which they aren't.

housetypeb

Please don't call the troll a troll:D He is just a poor lost lamb of the one true god(out of thousands) who has lost his way and found himself in a den of unbelievers. To pass the time he engaged in light banter with the dammed(thats us)while praying that the mods would come to his rescue.

fudgez

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Genesis. Why do people keep claiming things like Gods and unicorns are the same... they're clearly not. Neither are universes and rainbows. Are you guys just messing with me? Can someone please explain to me why people are talking about sandwiches and calling me some kind of monster? I'm new here maybe this some kind of boards.ie in-joke or something? I don't get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

explanation of troll...

unicorns and god are exactly the sam btw

Trolls feed off peoples angry responses to their sill persistant questions so we are suggesting sandwich recipes so you can learn to eat people food! (pretty clever huh?)

will I say it? Marmite

Galvasean

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Are the moderators asleep or what?

Probably. They arent omipotent. Being real has that effect on people.

Nevyn

Zillah wrote: »

I bet you've worked it out though. Do you still have magic powers?

Actually my faith doesn't have a creation myth, it being orthopraxic not orthodoxic.

Depends on how one defines magic,
Magick, in the writings of British occultist Aleister Crowley, is defined as "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with the will".

Oh and Bacon sandwiches with cheese FTW.

Zillah

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Why do people keep claiming things like Gods and unicorns are the same... they're clearly not.

Prove it.



Deli ham, rocket, tomato and a dash of sweet chili sauce.

strobe

fudgez wrote: »

will I say it? Marmite

GET. OUT!!!! :mad:

Zillah

Thaedydal wrote: »

Actually my faith doesn't have a creation myth, it being orthopraxic not orthodoxic.

I see. So your religion makes no claims about the nature or origin of the universe?

Depends on how one defines magic,
Magick, in the writings of British occultist Aleister Crowley, is defined as "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with the will".

Well apparently Mr Crowley was a drooling moron who hasn't the slightest notion what science is. Anyway, y'know, magic. Spells, powers, supernatural things that break causality, defy scientific understanding...magic. Don't be coy, you know what I mean.

Nevyn

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Genesis.

That is one book which has one creation myth in it, there are older recordings
of other creation myths out there which have been carbon dated as being older then the bible.

So some desert tribal god claimed to have created a garden which would have been impressive to desert people and told them if they did what that god said they would get back into the garden. Nice story, seems that at least 12 tribes fell for it, but that is the story of a people living pretty far away from here and it is the story of their god.

Other places and other peoples have their own god and their own stories,
sorry but I don't see why I should believe that genesis is more true then any of the others.

King Mob

sebastian4jc wrote: »

I didn't explain rainbows... I said they weren't the same as the universe... which they aren't.

Ok since subtleties are apparently lost on you, my point is your objections to and position on unicorns is the exact same as our position on God and applies just as well.

But that's no fun for trolling is it?

Also Fun Fact: my Nana used to eat Ritz sandwiches.

sebastian4jc

Galvasean wrote: »

Probably. They arent omipotent. Being real has that effect on people.

I never said they were. But there were clearly mods posting around the same time the offtopic posts started. Maybe these boards are relaxed but I had one of my posts moved and turned into a new thread for little or nothing.

Nevyn

Zillah wrote: »

I see. So your religion makes no claims about the nature or origin of the universe?

None what so ever.

Zillah wrote: »

Well apparently Mr Crowley was a drooling moron who hasn't the slightest notion what science is. Anyway, y'know, magic. Spells, powers, supernatural things that break causality, defy scientific understanding...magic. Don't be coy, you know what I mean.

Many things defy scientific understanding, like hugs, any many unseen forces like happiness, compassion, joy, sorrow

Zillah

Thaedydal wrote: »

Many things defy scientific understanding, like hugs, any many unseen forces like happiness, compassion, joy, sorrow

This is incorrect. Regardless, I'll put it this way: Can you enact a change in the universe through thought alone, or through action that has no scientifically detectable mechanism by which it could effect such change?

shadowcomplex

I hate it when atheists say the reason they are so against religion and God is because its the cause of alot of wars and killings throughout the years however this is not God or religions fault its the flaw of being a human being, I mean a gun can't kill a person on its own.

People have fought killed over a lot of different things including religion

How about

Money
Power
Sport
Government
Land
Relationships

housetypeb

sebastian4jc wrote: »

I never said they were. But there were clearly mods posting around the same time the offtopic posts started. Maybe these boards are relaxed but I had one of my posts moved and turned into a new thread for little or nothing.

Dont cry.it sounds like a miracle.
Maybe unicorn did it, His will be done.

Galvasean

sebastian4jc wrote: »

I never said they were. But there were clearly mods posting around the same time the offtopic posts started. Maybe these boards are relaxed but I had one of my posts moved and turned into a new thread for little or nothing.

Perhaps you should PM one of them (heck, PM both of them to be on the safe side) for clarification?

they are gonna hate me for this! :-D

fudgez

Thaedydal wrote: »

Many things defy scientific understanding, like hugs, any many unseen forces like happiness, compassion, joy, sorrow

There is a term in the evolutionary theory for these acts essentially if a species must survive in a group the above are necessary humanity has taken it a level above by imposing laws and establishing morality above the need to survive but they are founded in the same evolutionary logic.

Altruistic acts they are called.

There is evidence to show how Empathy for example works in the brain. It is hardwired into us. An evolutionist would argue this was so that we could live and work together which our survival depended on.

Galvasean

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I hate it when atheists say the reason they are so against religion and God is because its the cause of alot of wars and killings throughout the years however this is not God or religions fault its the flaw of being a human being, I mean a gun can't kill a person on its own.

*gasp*
Another one! :eek:
And he brought a strawman! :pac: