Questions for Atheists

sebastian4jc

If you're so convinced that there is no God... why on earth do you spend so much time talking about Him?

Atheists like to claim that their lack of belief in God is similar to their lack of belief in something that quite obviously doesn't exist. But if that's the case why don't you talk about these things just as much? Why the bias towards God?

And how can you think so negatively and get so emotional over something that you claim doesn't exist? That to me is a massive hint to the lie atheists try to tell. Basically it's like, I don't believe in Him, and I hate him. Do you get annoyed by non-existant annoying people or feel itchy from non-existant itching powder?

I think what upsets Atheists the most though is the fact that they can't disprove God. It's like a splinter that annoys them. This is probably why they rant and complain so much. Just talk to any outspoken Atheist, and you can clearly see the want for it.... but it's completely unsubstanciated and downright irrational.

Peace and God bless,
Seb

Gregor Samsa

If you're so concerned about atheists talking about god, why are you posting here asking us to reply to questions that will inevitably involve talking about god?

Personally, I'd love to live in a world where I never had to mention god again. People like you make that impossible, though.

Ickle Magoo

If unicorns start running the majority of irish schools and faeries start wars with each or leprechauns start campaigning against equality legislation then I'm sure you'd see a similar response.

Peace & pasta

Gordon

I think you'll find that this is a discussion board so, naturally, people will discuss stuff here, and the topic of this forum is atheism and agnosticism, so that's why it's discussed on this board!

I personally don't discuss atheism or gods in general life much at all. In fact, you'll probably find that there's a lot of atheists out there that don't talk about gods and religion and atheism, so there are probably a lot more people than you think out there

Welcome to boards!

Stercus Accidit

This topic is new and fresh!

Ghost Buster

sebastian4jc wrote: »

If you're so convinced that there is no God... why on earth do you spend so much time talking about Him?

Atheists like to claim that their lack of belief in God is similar to their lack of belief in something that quite obviously doesn't exist. But if that's the case why don't you talk about these things just as much? Why the bias towards God?

And how can you think so negatively and get so emotional over something that you claim doesn't exist? That to me is a massive hint to the lie atheists try to tell. Basically it's like, I don't believe in Him, and I hate him. Do you get annoyed by non-existant annoying people or feel itchy from non-existant itching powder?

I think what upsets Atheists the most though is the fact that they can't disprove God. It's like a splinter that annoys them. This is probably why they rant and complain so much. Just talk to any outspoken Atheist, and you can clearly see the want for it.... but it's completely unsubstanciated and downright irrational.

Peace and God bless,
Seb

Personally my issue is with the utter numb nuts who do believe in him and insist on harping on about him ad nauseum...

mikhail

God doesn't exist. Religion does.

Zillah

sebastian4jc wrote: »

If you're so convinced that there is no God... why on earth do you spend so much time talking about Him?

Atheists like to claim that their lack of belief in God is similar to their lack of belief in something that quite obviously doesn't exist. But if that's the case why don't you talk about these things just as much? Why the bias towards God?

And how can you think so negatively and get so emotional over something that you claim doesn't exist? That to me is a massive hint to the lie atheists try to tell. Basically it's like, I don't believe in Him, and I hate him. Do you get annoyed by non-existant annoying people or feel itchy from non-existant itching powder?

I think what upsets Atheists the most though is the fact that they can't disprove God. It's like a splinter that annoys them. This is probably why they rant and complain so much. Just talk to any outspoken Atheist, and you can clearly see the want for it.... but it's completely unsubstanciated and downright irrational.

Peace and God bless,
Seb

I think you'll find that we spend our time ranting and raving about people who believe in God rather than God himself, per se. Trust me, if the majority of people I encountered day to day were weekly worshipping alien-lizards and basing their morality on the supposed dictates of said lizards then I guarantee you, you'd be in here asking why we spend so much time arguing about alien-lizards if they don't exist.

The term "atheist" is only relevant to the English language while there are so many bloody theists around.

Zillah

Also I clicked giving the benefit of the doubt, and gave an audible sigh almost immediately.

sebastian4jc

phutyle wrote:

If you're so concerned about atheists talking about god, why are you posting here asking us to reply to questions that will inevitably involve talking about god?

That's easy to answer, it's because I care about your immortal souls.

phutyle wrote:

Personally, I'd love to live in a world where I never had to mention god again. People like you make that impossible, though.

No one is forcing you to talk about God or post on forums that have topics that will lead to people talking about God.

Gordon wrote:

I think you'll find that this is a discussion board so, naturally, people will discuss stuff here, and the topic of this forum is atheism and agnosticism, so that's why it's discussed on this board!

Wow, thank you for stating the obvious. I bet you feel really smart too. In case you missed it, I was talking about Atheists in general, not just boards.ie

Stercus Accidit

Zillah wrote: »

Also I clicked giving the benefit of the doubt, and gave an audible sigh almost immediately.

A lot of the threads with titles that include the word "Atheists" are started by theists, ironic given the nature of today's unique "question for atheists" don't you think.

sebastian4jc

Zillah wrote: »

I think you'll find that we spend our time ranting and raving about people who believe in God rather than God himself, per se. Trust me, if the majority of people I encountered day to day were weekly worshipping alien-lizards and basing their morality on the supposed dictates of said lizards then I guarantee you, you'd be in here asking why we spend so much time arguing about alien-lizards if they don't exist.
The term "atheist" is only relevant to the English language while there are so many bloody theists around.

So in summary, the fact that a particular belief is popular is what bothers you. You'd like to disprove so badly it wouldn't you? What does that say about you personally, I wonder.

old_aussie

OP, here's some more discussion on the subject

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056048542

robindch

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Basically it's like, I don't believe in Him, and I hate him.

Well, like, can you remind us puhleease how somebody could, like, "hate" something that, like, isn't there?

Galvasean

The OP came complete with sunglasses. I find this strange as one would presume it is already dark up one's own hole.

Gordon

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Wow, thank you for stating the obvious. I bet you feel really smart too. In case you missed it, I was talking about Atheists in general, not just boards.ie

Ah right! I didn't realise I had to project my imagination to hypothesise what you could have meant by that first post in the thread, but went on what I read and what my take on what you wrote was.

As I say, I don't talk about existance or inexistance of gods much at all, so I'm not sure where that has come from? Do you hear atheists talk about atheism a lot yeah? Do you talk about religion a lot in life?

Zillah

sebastian4jc wrote: »

So in summary, the fact that a particular belief is popular is what bothers you.

Not so much the popularity of it, no. The fact that it is so common impacts my life and the way society is run, and that makes it important. Attitudes about sex, education, sectarianism, abortion, divorce etc are often dictated by a person's religious beliefs. Whether I like it or not that makes the question of God an important one.

You'd like to disprove so badly it wouldn't you?

Yes, but you see the claim of God's existence lacks what is called falsifiability, which basically means that even if it is not true, no one can ever prove it. If God is magic, then we can never prove he isn't there.

What does that say about you personally, I wonder.

I think it means that I don't like falsehoods, that I hate to see people manipulated and controlled by religious leaders because of a false belief in imaginary beings. I don't like to see people base their morality on ancient and cruel books, nor do I like to see them subjugate themselves to the Pope or similar figures. I like to see people take responsibility for their own lives and morality, rather than let others do their thinking for them.

Why are you so angry?

sebastian4jc

robindch wrote: »

Well, like, can you remind us puhleease how somebody could, like, "hate" something that, like, isn't there?

This is my point. How can someone who says they don't believe in the God of the bible, then go on to talk about how much they hate the God of the bible. People have said already oh it's people we really dislike but that's just trying to sidetrack the real issue. There is a serious amount of God bashing going on nowadays - plenty of books being written on the subject too. This we can confirm and is consistant with what I've been saying. It's simply not true to say Atheists only dislike people.

robindch

sebastian4jc wrote: »

No one is forcing you to talk about God or post on forums that have topics that will lead to people talking about God.

Well, you did ask a question and it is considered polite in certain circles to respond.

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Gordon wrote:

I think you'll find that this is a discussion board so, naturally, people will discuss stuff here, and the topic of this forum is atheism and agnosticism, so that's why it's discussed on this board!

Wow, thank you for stating the obvious. I bet you feel really smart too. In case you missed it, I was talking about Atheists in general, not just boards.ie

FYI - Gordon is something of a god here on boards - I recommend not insulting him since his uber-lightning rod uses 240 Volts DC.

Zillah

sebastian4jc wrote: »

This is my point. How can someone who says they don't believe in the God of the bible, then go on to talk about how much they hate the God of the bible. People have said already oh it's people we really dislike but that's just trying to sidetrack the real issue. There is a serious amount of God bashing going on nowadays - plenty of books being written on the subject too. This we can confirm and is consistant with what I've been saying. It's simply not true to say Atheists only dislike people.

I dislike the character of the God portrayed in the Bible yes. In the same way I dislike many fictional characters, but it doesn't mean I believe in them, and luckily people don't base their worldview, morality and politics on those other fictional characters.

housetypeb

Why don't you explain why you believe in your sky god, Maybe we'll all convert.

sebastian4jc

Zillah wrote: »

Not so much the popularity of it, no. The fact that it is so common impacts my life and the way society is run, and that makes it important. Attitudes about sex, education, sectarianism, abortion, divorce etc are often dictated by a person's religious beliefs. Whether I like it or not that makes the question of God an important one.



Yes, but you see the claim of God's existence lacks what is called falsifiability, which basically means that even if it is not true, no one can ever prove it. If God is magic, then we can never prove he isn't there.



I think it means that I don't like falsehoods, that I hate to see people manipulated and controlled by religious leaders because of a false belief in imaginary beings. I don't like to see people base their morality on ancient and cruel books, nor do I like to see them subjugate themselves to the Pope or similar figures. I like to see people take responsibility for their own lives and morality, rather than let others do their thinking for them.

Why are you so angry?

See, right there you admitted you couldn't prove that He doesn't exist, and I know this as well as you do. Yet you then go on to talk about Him as being false, as if that were a fact. Great reasoning. Why am I so angry? I hate to disappoint you but I'm not angry right now. You seem to be the angry one, bashing people's beliefs.

Gordon

robindch wrote: »

Well, you did ask a question and it is considered polite in certain circles to respond.FYI - Gordon is something of a god here on boards - I recommend not insulting him since his uber-lightning rod uses 240 Volts DC.

What, am I Thordon now?!

sebastian4jc wrote: »

How can someone who says they don't believe in the God of the bible

So, we're talking about the god from the bible, yeah? So, you're saying that atheists talk against the bible's god, not other religions gods? Or do atheists also talk about other gods, sebastian?

robindch

sebastian4jc wrote: »

This is my point. How can someone who says they don't believe in the God of the bible, then go on to talk about how much they hate the God of the bible.

There's a Harry Potter forum -- want to drop by there and ask the same question about Voldemort?

Zillah

sebastian4jc wrote: »

See, right there you admitted you couldn't prove that He doesn't exist, and I know this as well as you do. Yet you then go on to talk about Him as being false, as if that were a fact. Great reasoning. Why am I so angry? I hate to disappoint you but I'm not angry right now. You seem to be the angry one, bashing people's beliefs.

I never claimed I could prove God doesn't exist. I think it is a very silly idea, it has no evidence, and the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

For example, you cannot prove that the Lizard-Aliens I mentioned earlier don't exist, can you? Does that mean it would be unreasonable to act as though they do not?

Galvasean

sebastian4jc wrote: »

See, right there you admitted you couldn't prove that He doesn't exist, and I know this as well as you do. Yet you then go on to talk about Him as being false, as if that were a fact.

Ever heard the phrase "Incredible claims call for incredible evidence"? It basically means that the burden of proof lies with those making the bizarre claims (ie: that a celestial superbeing with a fractured personality disorder is watching over us).

robindch

Gordon wrote: »

What, am I Thordon now?!

Thordon? Nah, more of a desert deity than a northern one.

As "prison" mod, you do have -- I assume -- the power to forgive sins

Ghost Buster

If you're so convinced that there are no lizard aliens... why on earth do you spend so much time talking about them?

Atlizardalienists like to claim that their lack of belief in lizard aliens is similar to their lack of belief in something that quite obviously doesn't exist. But if that's the case why don't you talk about these things just as much? Why the bias towards lizard aliens?

And how can you think so negatively and get so emotional over something that you claim doesn't exist? That to me is a massive hint to the lie alizardalienists try to tell. Basically it's like, I don't believe in them, and I hate them. Do you get annoyed by non-existant annoying people or feel itchy from non-existant itching powder?

I think what upsets Alizardalienists the most though is the fact that they can't disprove Lizard aliens. It's like a splinter that annoys them. This is probably why they rant and complain so much. Just talk to any outspoken Atlizardalienist, and you can clearly see the want for it.... but it's completely unsubstanciated and downright irrational.

Peace and long live the lizard aliens

Take that Zillah

Gregor Samsa

sebastian4jc wrote: »

No one is forcing you to talk about God or post on forums that have topics that will lead to people talking about God.

My daughter was born 2 years ago. From when she was 3 months, people in work would ask me about when and where she was going to be christened. At the time I had worked with these people for 4 years (and get on great with them) and had never mentioned atheism religion or the lack of it. But the rate of questioning got to the point that I just had to say that I'm an atheist, and we weren't going to be baptising her.

Same thing happened a few months later, just before my wedding. When I mentioned that is was going to be in a registry office, I had one person ask me if I required permission from my priest do do that, and several people say "and you'll probably have a blessing later on". No, again, I'm an atheist - no need for religious stuff at all, ever.

Of course, now - even though I don't ever bring up the subject - I'm often accused of "hating the church" or "being angry with god". Pretty much the same drivel you're coming out with here. So naturally, I have to define and defend my position against their prejudices and misconceptions, or face being constantly misrepresented.

Both she and I are going to face the same lines of assumptions when she's 7 (communion) and 12 (confirmation). The fun never ends.

So yeah, I stand by my assertion that if it wasn't for people like you, I wouldn't have to talk about god at all.

spdmrphy

sebastian4jc wrote: »

So in summary, the fact that a particular belief is popular is what bothers you. You'd like to disprove so badly it wouldn't you? What does that say about you personally, I wonder.

So in summary, the fact that atheists don't subscribe to what you believe is what bothers you. You'd like to prove them wrong, wouldn't you? What does that say about you personally, I wonder.

sebastian4jc

Zillah wrote: »

I never claimed I could prove God doesn't exist.

Oh that's right... you rambled on like as if you had established his non existance and didn't actually provide anything to back it up. Well done.

Zillah wrote:

Sebastian4jc wrote:

You'd like to disprove so badly it wouldn't you?

Yes ...

See, you'd like to, but you can't. You'll just need to learn to live with this fact and stop being so intolerant.

Gordon

I hold alizardalienists to the same regard as apastaists*, it's their choice to believe what they believe in, as long as they don't go shoving it down my throat, because I don't shove my ideals and beliefs down other peoples throats.

*commonly known as antipasti

Galvasean

sebastian4jc wrote: »

You'll just need to learn to live with this fact and stop being so intolerant.

WOAAAH NELLY!!!!!!!!!
Whose being intolerant?

sebastian4jc

phutyle wrote: »

My daughter was born 2 years ago. From when she was 3 months, people in work would ask me about when and where she was going to be christened. At the time I had worked with these people for 4 years (and get on great with them) and had never mentioned atheism religion or the lack of it. But the rate of questioning got to the point that I just had to say that I'm an atheist, and we weren't going to be baptising her.

Same thing happened a few months later, just before my wedding. When I mentioned that is was going to be in a registry office, I had one person ask me if I required permission from my priest do do that, and several people say "and you'll probably have a blessing later on". No, again, I'm an atheist - no need for religious stuff at all, ever.

Of course, now - even though I don't ever bring up the subject - I'm often accused of "hating the church" or "being angry with god". Pretty much the same drivel you're coming out with here. So naturally, I have to define and defend my position against their prejudices and misconceptions, or face being constantly misrepresented.

So yeah, I stand by my assertion that if it wasn't for people like you, I wouldn't have to talk about god at all.

So basically, in summary, you think that no one is allowed to bring up religious matters to you at all, otherwise they suddenly have misconceptions, etc. Seriously? Leaving out whether who is right or wrong... people have a right to free speech, to talk about matters they please and you're perfectly entitled to ignore what they say.

Zillah

Gordon, check dis foo's IP, I smell a troll.

Ghost Buster

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Oh that's right... you rambled on like as if you had established his non existance and didn't actually provide anything to back it up. Well done. See, you'd like to, but you can't. You'll just need to learn to live with this fact and stop being so intolerant.

If you would just notch down the hostile arrogant posturing for a moment would you answer 1 question.
Have you ever spoken to any atheists.?
I have never met any who claim a certainty that God doesnt exist because thats not a credible claim to make.
Can i suggest that you have come on here with your mind made up, a bunch of stupid preconceptions of what atheists are and are just bruising for a fight.
Boring and unoriginal.

housetypeb

"The fine art of baiting trolls" is a very fine book and is now out in paperback, It would make a great xmas present for the little ones.
Its clear he's a troll, An angry one at that. So play with him for a while-it might cheer him up.

Zillah

*feeding*

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Oh that's right... you rambled on like as if you had established his non existance and didn't actually provide anything to back it up. Well done. See, you'd like to, but you can't. You'll just need to learn to live with this fact and stop being so intolerant.

You can't prove that alien lizards don't exist. You're so intolerant.

sebastian4jc wrote: »

So basically, in summary, you think that no one is allowed to bring up religious matters to you at all, otherwise they suddenly have misconceptions, etc. Seriously? Leaving out whether who is right or wrong... people have a right to free speech, to talk about matters they please and you're perfectly entitled to ignore what they say.

You do not understand what;
A) Intolerance, and
Free speech

...are. Oh dear.

robindch

sebastian4jc wrote:

stop being so intolerant [...] people have a right to free speech

One hour and thirty posts to the first accusations of intolerance and denial of free speech -- a forum record, methinks!

Can the first bleatings of "Persecution!" be far away?

robindch

^^^ Snap!

Delirium

sebastian4jc wrote: »

If you're so convinced that there is no God... why on earth do you spend so much time talking about Him?

I don't, and most threads I've read tend to be about religious people that share this planet of ours.

Atheists like to claim that their lack of belief in God is similar to their lack of belief in something that quite obviously doesn't exist. But if that's the case why don't you talk about these things just as much? Why the bias towards God?

The clue is in the forums name;)

And how can you think so negatively and get so emotional over something that you claim doesn't exist? That to me is a massive hint to the lie atheists try to tell. Basically it's like, I don't believe in Him, and I hate him. Do you get annoyed by non-existant annoying people or feel itchy from non-existant itching powder?

I feel that you've asked and answered those questions for me.

I think what upsets Atheists the most though is the fact that they can't disprove God. It's like a splinter that annoys them. This is probably why they rant and complain so much. Just talk to any outspoken Atheist, and you can clearly see the want for it.... but it's completely unsubstanciated and downright irrational.

Peace and God bless,
Seb

Your splinter analogy doesn't work, as I can see and feel the splinter. And I can also remove the splinter. Personally speaking, I don't worry about trying to disprove the existence of any deities. People are free to believe what they want.

It's when they start to impose out-dated beliefs be it through the education or the legal system that I've a problem with them.

To sum up, no problem with people believing what they like, I just wish I was afforded the same respect.

Gregor Samsa

sebastian4jc wrote: »

So basically, in summary, you think that no one is allowed to bring up religious matters to you at all, otherwise they suddenly have misconceptions, etc. Seriously? Leaving out whether who is right or wrong... people have a right to free speech, to talk about matters they please and you're perfectly entitled to ignore what they say.

Now calm down and read my post slowly again. This time with a little less intolerance.

The misconceptions I quite clearly spoke of were specifically that I "hate the church" and am "angry with god". In your eyes, does people's right to free speech extend to being able make blatantly incorrect claims against someone like me, without me being able to set them straight?

You'll see the point of my post was to show that the only time I talk about god is when the issue is raised with me repeatedly by others. But you have your own agenda, and you're sticking to that. Good boy.

sebastian4jc

Ghost Buster wrote: »

If you would just notch down the hostile arrogant posturing for a moment would you answer 1 question.
Have you ever spoken to any atheists.?
I have never met any who claim a certainty that God doesnt exist because thats not a credible claim to make.
Can i suggest that you have come on here with your mind made up, a bunch of stupid preconceptions of what atheists are and are just bruising for a fight.
Boring and unoriginal.

Of course I have. I never said anything like all atheists claim they can disprove God. I did say they'd like to though. You're weclome to suggest whatever you like Buster but you don't seem to want to back up your claims with anything as of yet. Bruising for a fight? Are you serious? For the record, I'm a Christian, I don't agree with violence of any kind.

Ghost Buster

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Of course I have. I never said anything like all atheists claim they can disprove God. I did say they'd like to though. You're weclome to suggest whatever you like Buster but you don't seem to want to back up your claims with anything as of yet. Bruising for a fight? Are you serious? For the record, I'm a Christian, I don't agree with violence of any kind.

Ummmmmm. What claim did i just make?
You start by disclaiming any generalisation and then generalise. How numb are your nuts?

Oh. Unless you are refering to my Lizard Aliens claim. I just got annoyed at that intolerant swine Zillah constantly bashing my Lizard aliens.

mikhail

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Of course I have. I never said anything like all atheists claim they can disprove God. I did say they'd like to though. You're weclome to suggest whatever you like Buster but you don't seem to want to back up your claims with anything as of yet. Bruising for a fight? Are you serious? For the record, I'm a Christian, I don't agree with violence of any kind.

Here's a list of gods the rest of us don't believe in. At this scale, your list looks pretty damn similar. This is why the burden of proof is on you.

Galvasean

sebastian4jc wrote: »

I'm a Christian, I don't agree with violence of any kind.

So how about Numbers 31?

sebastian4jc

koth wrote: »

The clue is in the forums name

Nowhere did I say anything about atheists talking about God on this forum in particular. I was talking about atheists in general. Second person to state the obvious. Well done.

koth wrote: »

You're splinter analogy doesn't work, as I can see and feel the splinter. And I can also remove the splinter. Personally speaking, I don't worry about trying to disprove the existence of any deities. People are free to believe what they want.

You're missing the point, the splinter is supposed to be non-existant.

housetypeb

Tell us how jesus rose from the dead to save us! That always puts us rolling on the floor laughing.

Ghost Buster

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Nowhere did I say anything about atheists talking about God on this forum in particular. I was talking about atheists in general. Second person to state the obvious. Well done. You're missing the point, the splinter is supposed to be non-existant.

You exist. Youre the splinter and you are right in my arse at the moment.... thats a sin by the way but benny says you can use a condom if you like.:D

Galvasean

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Nowhere did I say anything about atheists talking about God on this forum in particular.

Perhaps you'd like to answer the question aimed at you that was, "Have you met any atheists?"

And while you are at that, how about that Numbers 31?

Delirium

sebastian4jc wrote: »

Nowhere did I say anything about atheists talking about God on this forum in particular. I was talking about atheists in general. Second person to state the obvious. Well done.

no need to get snippy:P
I am interested in this large community of vocal atheists that you've experienced though. Where would they be located?
I've never seen/heard any atheists in my day-to-day aside from on he internet. Although I have had plenty of religious people get up on their high horse.

You're missing the point, the splinter is supposed to be non-existant.

well then it's not a problem.