Gate automation / Electric Gates help

BFT Automation

Hey people, ive been looking around boards and there is no real help thread for this subject so I'm here to help!! If anyone has any questions about gate automation I will do my best to answer them for you.

Jnealon

It's not something that comes up a lot but it generally gets posted in here

toomuchtime

Hi BFT,
Just wondering - i have a BFT sub motor,probably 20 years old at this stage, apparently leaking oil.. is it possible or practical to repair ? or should I lift them both out and replace with BFT or even another make ?

I inherited 2 sets of gates(4 bft sub motors ) wired in by stevie wonder, (if he ever came to Ireland) and constantly give trouble.

Trying to get these repaired and rewired is like trying to win the lotto

I cant even release the pressure to use them manually -the BFT pewter
key just wasnt up to the challange.

any suggestions welcome

tnxs

BFT Automation

Hey toomuchtime,

Apologies for the late response. Repairing leaking oil on hydrualic motors 20 years old is not a practical soloution. What you need is a practical option that will last you for years to come. Can you tell me the size and approx weight of the gate (if you cant guess the weight tell me what the gates are made of, eg timer frame, galvanised steel etc).

The more I know about them the better I can advise you, but the 20 year old motors may have had there time but depending on the size of the gates you may not need to replace the motors with hydraulic motors which the most expensive option.

Once I know more about the gates themselves I can advise you better on a practical soloution that'll best suit you, and also reccomend a company that can help you out.

Regards,

BFT Automation

toomuchtime wrote: »

Hi BFT,
Just wondering - i have a BFT sub motor,probably 20 years old at this stage, apparently leaking oil.. is it possible or practical to repair ? or should I lift them both out and replace with BFT or even another make ?

I inherited 2 sets of gates(4 bft sub motors ) wired in by stevie wonder, (if he ever came to Ireland) and constantly give trouble.

Trying to get these repaired and rewired is like trying to win the lotto

I cant even release the pressure to use them manually -the BFT pewter
key just wasnt up to the challange.

any suggestions welcome

tnxs

toomuchtime

hi bft
no worries
i figured if they lasted 20 years then it was worth investing in new ones !
they probably are overkill for my set up ( probably 150 kg per gate)
so i got a local company to replace two knackered ones with new ones ..BFT SUB .. removed all previous wiring by stevie wonder , rewired and install two PCBS (2 sets of gates)
The gates are cast iorn type , heavy , but at least the box for the SUB was underground
Happy Days - everything works fine
...just waiting on the bill

thanks again for replying

ista

hi bft,

i installed faac 770 openers, have 230 at the panel and programmed switches as required. at power up i should have 3 leds stop(is on) but the other 2 opening and closing devices disengaged are not on. i only have closing photocells installed. the rotation and force check will not work when i send a signal????

any idea where i should start.

thanks,
ista.

irishkopite 2011

hey bft
im havin touble programming faac gates, dey r the s418 rams with the e024s control panel with 230vac in and 24vdc out. when i go through da set-up they open fully then close and finally open again. my problem is dey stay open, even though i give them an open pulse, this open pulse is ment to close the gates to the normal position and end the set up. can u please tell me where im goin wrong

Believer

I have a pair of wooden gates which I would like to automate and also I would like an intercom system installed at the gates. What kind of cost do you think I would be looking at? Thanks.

Thunderbird2

Can anyone advise me on which is better. The FAAC s418 or FAAC 391 or BFT IGEA 24v any help is greatly appreciated can the FAAC come with a separate control board?

irishkopite 2011

I installed the faac s418 and they seem to be fairly good so far and easy enough to install

Thunderbird2

irishkopite 2011 wrote: »

I installed the faac s418 and they seem to be fairly good so far and easy enough to install

Could you post a pic?? Did you weld the brackets??

Vote 4 Pedro

Hi BFT,
I have a Single wooden gate, it's 8ft long x 3ft high that is very light
Would love to automate it but it would have to be done above ground as we have new tarmac,
It has a definite stopping point at both open and close and i was thinking of putting one of those arms on to it
but i can not afford the best but i'm very unsure of what makes are any good and the best places to buy.
Thanks

Thunderbird2

Faac, ditec, liftmaster, fadini and BFT are all very popular.
If its a single gate you could keep all the electronics to the hinge side of the gate and use the photo cells where only one is required to be connected to the panel the other has a batt that last 2 years and is easily changed. It saves on running wires.. Im trying to decide myself on what one to get !

Vote 4 Pedro

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Faac, ditec, liftmaster, fadini and BFT are all very popular.
If its a single gate you could keep all the electronics to the hinge side of the gate and use the photo cells where only one is required to be connected to the panel the other has a batt that last 2 years and is easily changed. It saves on running wires.. Im trying to decide myself on what one to get !

Thanks for that info,
Do you know where i would start to check the prices

Thunderbird2

Could you pm me what part of the country your in? Kilcullen gates at whitewater newbridge provide FAAC . Www.gatesauto.ie provide Faac ,BFT , liftmaster.
Liftboy automations provide Fadini also remember if the gate is hung in the center of the pillar you may have too use an articulated arm kit if its a wide distance(Faac does an all in one unit ie built in panel)

Thunderbird2

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=IE#/watch?v=2RVv_PuMTVo
Faac 415
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=IE#/watch?v=ynkJsXRxXLg
Faac 391

johnhern

BFT Automation wrote: »

Hey people, ive been looking around boards and there is no real help thread for this subject so I'm here to help!! If anyone has any questions about gate automation I will do my best to answer them for you.

Howdy.....I have BFT subs and was wondering where I could get them overhauled. They are working ok, but have been in situ for 15 years or so....and only need an occasional top up of hydraulic fluid every couple of years. They are horrendously expensive to buy new...In the states they sell kits to rebuild BFT as well as rebuild them...Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks and regards, John H.....Malahide.

Gate Automation

cheaper is replace all for new system, they are horrendously expensive because they no longer available in sale.

meercat

johnhern wrote: »

Howdy.....I have BFT subs and was wondering where I could get them overhauled. They are working ok, but have been in situ for 15 years or so....and only need an occasional top up of hydraulic fluid every couple of years. They are horrendously expensive to buy new...In the states they sell kits to rebuild BFT as well as rebuild them...Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks and regards, John H.....Malahide.

tudor engineering might be of help
Dermot is your man
http://www.tudorengineers.ie/tudor.html

johnhern

Are BFT the RollsRoyce of automatic motors (subs)....has anyone got experience of Auto Entry Systems and their equipment? All the best,,

paddymick

johnhern wrote: »

Are BFT the RollsRoyce of automatic motors (subs)....has anyone got experience of Auto Entry Systems and their equipment? All the best,,

Auto entrys use Ditec gear which is one of if not the best gear available and is all i ever use.They are not hydraulic motors but electromechanical which are far more reliable.

Auto entry systems wont deal with the public either so you will need a vat number to get stuff from them or get them to look at the job for you..

Woodie77

hey, do you know if the gates can be kept open by using the fob control, we have FAAC 770, usually tape over the sensors to keep gates open if needed.

Thanks

Gate Automation

You can change program from automatic closing for push to open push to close, or you can use second button from remote to stop the gate, but your receiver plug in in the board must be 2 channel, or if you have intercom you can fit switch to keep gate open.

Woodie77

Hey, thanks for your reply, we dont have an intercom. How do you do the following you suggested 'You can change program from automatic closing for push to open push to close, or you can use second button from remote to stop the gate, but your receiver plug in in the board must be 2 channel'
Thanks :-)

Gate Automation

You must know what type of control board you have, to do it this, FAAC 770 it's type of underground motor but control board can by some of FAAC model or any other brand, whatever technician has on stock and fit. Can you open control box and made photo of electric board ?

Thunderbird2

You could wire a switch into the beam so that when open the circuit is broke the gates will stay open

Thunderbird2

Gate Automation wrote: »

You can change program from automatic closing for push to open push to close, or you can use second button from remote to stop the gate, but your receiver plug in in the board must be 2 channel, or if you have intercom you can fit switch to keep gate open.

Only problem with that is if the beams are broken the gate will reverse and stay open.

Gate Automation

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Only problem with that is if the beams are broken the gate will reverse and stay open.

Anyway if beam is broken gate never close, and on some control board never open

Woodie77

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Hi,pic of the panel. Hope the link works.

meercat

woodie77
if you press the control button when the gates start to close,does this stop the gates and leave them in the stopped position until you press the control button again
some systems do this
i would not advise you to alter the wiring unless you are really competent

Woodie77

Hey, when they gates start to close and i hit one of the buttons, it stops the gates from closing but they go the open position again and will close themselves again

meercat

ok not that so

meercat

i think the simplest thing to do is put an isolation switch on the power supply to the gates
then when the gates open you can turn the power off
if the cable runs to your fuseboard the electrician can put a switch under it
other than that a keyswitch beside the control panel at the gates may suffice

kerryaviva

johnhern wrote: »

Are BFT the RollsRoyce of automatic motors (subs)....has anyone got experience of Auto Entry Systems
and their equipment? All the best,,

i have used there euipment several times and could not fault them padraig is the man u need to talk to.;)

Thunderbird2

If the beam is broken while the gates are closing they stop,reverse and then close again after a certain time.

Thunderbird2

meercat wrote: »

i think the simplest thing to do is put an isolation switch on the power supply to the gates
then when the gates open you can turn the power off
if the cable runs to your fuseboard the electrician can put a switch under it
other than that a keyswitch beside the control panel at the gates may suffice

Or get an €80 comlit intercom and a toggle switch easily done yourself

Gate Automation

Woodie77 wrote: »

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Hi,pic of the panel. Hope the link works.

It's FAAC 452 MPS, if you want push to open, push to close, swich off the power and on the black dip-switch on right top corner you need put dip switch 7 to off, 8 to on, 9 to on, 10 to on, don't change dip-switch 1,2,3 they adjust force and don't change dip-switch 11 and 12, and don't change red dip-switch.

Gate Automation

meercat wrote: »

woodie77
if you press the control button when the gates start to close,does this stop the gates and leave them in the stopped position until you press the control button again
some systems do this
i would not advise you to alter the wiring unless you are really competent

not in FAAC control panel witch has setting automating close after pause

Gate Automation

meercat wrote: »

i think the simplest thing to do is put an isolation switch on the power supply to the gates
then when the gates open you can turn the power off
if the cable runs to your fuseboard the electrician can put a switch under it
other than that a keyswitch beside the control panel at the gates may suffice

no it's bad idea, every time when you open the gate and switch off mains and switch on again and when you push button on the remote gate starts opening, not closing. Fuse will be gone quick.

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Or get an €80 comlit intercom and a toggle switch easily done yourself

He need put new wire, connect everything, if you want made this nice and tidy, hide wire, it's no so easy how it can look

paddymick

Gate Automation wrote: »

It's FAAC 452 MPS, if you want push to open, push to close, swich off the power and on the black dip-switch on right top corner you need put dip switch 7 to off, 8 to on, 9 to on, 10 to on, don't change dip-switch 1,2,3 they adjust force and don't change dip-switch 11 and 12, and don't change red dip-switch.

+1
This is the easiest option to go with.

But it really depends on what suits you best. Would you want to keep your gates open frequently or just every now and then if its just every now and then then I would stick with what you are doing by leaving the piece of wood in front of the photocell and keeping your gates on automatic closure.

If you need to keep your gates open frequently then you would be better going with the Step by step option as described by Gate Automation above.

Woodie77

Hey, thanks for your replies, it is only a very odd time we would need to keep gate open, maybe best left as it is and put something in front of sensor to keep gate open

Thunderbird2

If you use the method i suggested it would work like you want

Bobric

BFT Automation wrote: »

Hey people, ive been looking around boards and there is no real help thread for this subject so I'm here to help!! If anyone has any questions about gate automation I will do my best to answer them for you.

Hi, I am new and this is my first post, so hope I am in the correct place.
I have a pair of metal gates that work with a pair of BFT sub motors.
Winter before last when it was really cold, about minus 15, my neighbour could not get out using the remote and push the gate and I think burst the seals, in one of the motors.
I have bought a repair kit and I have a hydraulic expert ready to fit and refurb the motor, but I dont know how the get the motor out.
Can anyone help please?

tismesoitis

Advice on DEA gate automation systems here is anyone needs it!!

johnhern

If anyone knows of anyone who can work on BFT subs let me know, I have some play in the 2 I have, but its not really hydraulic play as far as I can see, seems to be in the hinging or else where the subs mount to the box they are in.....The crowd that are the agents are off the wall moneywise for repairs......

meercat

johnhern wrote: »

If anyone knows of anyone who can work on BFT subs let me know, I have some play in the 2 I have, but its not really hydraulic play as far as I can see, seems to be in the hinging or else where the subs mount to the box they are in.....The crowd that are the agents are off the wall moneywise for repairs......

a general location might help
was it tudor engineering you spoke too(they are generally fair enough)
most automation companies should be able to help you

KevH

Hi Guys,
I wonder if anyone can help me..... I've a FAAC JA574 Genius Control Panel for my Electric Gates, The PCB is marked 7PCB452/455.
The gates wouldn't open the other day, they just remain in the closed position, neither the Fob, Keypad or bypass button open the gates...

The power is fine, fuses are fine, the "Stop" LED in the panel is on and the "DL10" LED is on.... I noticed that the photocells which are set up as single closing weren't lit as they should be.
I found the 24v positive supply is fine but the negitive seems to be dodgy....on terminal 19, I would be expecting a negitive (0v) but am getting 22v, I linked the cable to a negative and the photocells lit up and you can hear them switching as expected but still the gates are not opening.

I was getting some other dodgy readings like terminals 13-18 = 4v , 12-19 = 22v, no loose connections evident......I'm thinking it may be the PCB ...... any ideas guys...?

peterc14

Jumping on this thread as opposed to open another...

I had a power line run from the house down to the entrance gates when house was built but did not run any other lines (ie cat5/6 etc).

Is it possible to have automatic gates with just this powerline - will it be possible to have an intercom?

Jnealon

peterc14 wrote: »

Jumping on this thread as opposed to open another...

I had a power line run from the house down to the entrance gates when house was built but did not run any other lines (ie cat5/6 etc).

Is it possible to have automatic gates with just this powerline - will it be possible to have an intercom?

Daitem wireless

tismesoitis

Jnealon wrote: »

Daitem wireless

i don't rate wireless intercoms at all,grand in the short term but can be problematic much better off get a swa comms cable installed and go with a hired unit. diatem is probably the best of the bunch but pricey!!

paud_c

Hi guys need some help!
I'm planning on installing an faac s418, the kit comes with the E024S control board (which has a battery back up option). My question is, is it possible to power the board with a solar/battery pack system, and if so, how?!