Speed cameras in Ireland - a guide

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steo_magra wrote: »

Your replies are getting weaker and it’s draining.

Well then there ya go. You called me out

Mod note - banned for real.

JamesBond2010

Close the thread there.

newmember2

JamesBond2010 wrote: »

Close the thread there.

You being serious? Close a near 1000 post thread cos two users wanna act the ass?

biko

Back on topic folks.

JamesBond2010

newmember? wrote: »

You being serious? Close a near 1000 post thread cos two users wanna act the ass?

:D
No i only wanted people to start being serious again Ur grand bud :cool:

ironclaw

newmember? wrote: »

You being serious? Close a near 1000 post thread cos two users wanna act the ass?

As the OP to this thread, I want to see it closed or even deleted. No one bothers to read it anyway and the same questions come up ad naseum. It's beyond infuriating when you spend so much time to give back to a community and no one bothers to take the few minutes to do a quick search.

mrawkward

Pity to see such an informative and interesting thread get so badly mangled.

I did a road trip around Ireland with an American friend a couple of months back. He brought a new-fangled 2018 model Uniden R3 multiband long range detector that he had recently acquired along with him. It apparently covers X K Ka bands and laser. He said it works brilliantly in the US.

We did about 950Km with it running...our activation results were quite quite odd.

The "your speed is" display signs..Nothing.

Lots of KA band bleeps for traffic light mounted sensors, door openers and even some trailer mounted temporary road signage.

Tolling stations and M50 overheads..nothing.

We encountered only 2 speed vans, both with rear doors facing towards us, in both cases it pinged intensely, but only as we were just alongside/past. We were travelling at or below the limit in each case.

mikeecho

mrawkward wrote: »

Pity to see such an informative and interesting thread get so badly mangled.

I did a road trip around Ireland with an American friend a couple of months back. He brought a new-fangled 2018 model Uniden R3 multiband long range detector that he had recently acquired along with him. It apparently covers X K Ka bands and laser. He said it works brilliantly in the US.

We did about 950Km with it running...our activation results were quite quite odd.

The "your speed is" display signs..Nothing.

Lots of KA band bleeps for traffic light mounted sensors, door openers and even some trailer mounted temporary road signage.

Tolling stations and M50 overheads..nothing.

We encountered only 2 speed vans, both with rear doors facing towards us, in both cases it pinged intensely, but only as we were just alongside/past. We were travelling at or below the limit in each case.

It's all been answered here already.

Gosafe operate on K band (the lower part of the spectrum )
It's at an angle
It's polarised (that device would have to be positioned vertically to improve detection range)
That device is illegal here.

Toll roads use different technology, and that device isn't designed to detect it.

Lots of other things use the same freqs, ie, lane departure etc etc.

Full explanations of the technology used, and it's limitations have already been mentioned in this thread.

Just go back to pg1, put the kettle on,, open a packet of jaffa cakes and have a good read.

I don't mean to be in any way rude or dismissive, but, some of us are getting tired of constantly explaining and referring to technical documentation., which has already been explained and linked to.

Happy reading.

Pretzeluck

Doesn't matter.
I use a motorbike on my commute which doesn't have a number plate on the front therefore I avoid any fines and I speed every day going to work. I can only be caught by the hairdryer. For all other tasks I use a car which is the perfect solution.

mikeecho

Pretzeluck wrote: »

Doesn't matter.
I use a motorbike on my commute which doesn't have a number plate on the front therefore I avoid any fines and I speed every day going to work. I can only be caught by the hairdryer. For all other tasks I use a car which is the perfect solution.

You also need to read the thread from the start.

Gosafe van can take a pic of the rear of the bike under certain conditions

Pretzeluck

mikeecho wrote: »

You also need to read the thread from the start.

Gosafe van can take a pic of the rear of the bike under certain conditions

I literally speed every single day and accelerate upon passing the van, still haven't received anything.

mrawkward

mikeecho wrote: »

It's all been answered here already.

Gosafe operate on K band (the lower part of the spectrum )
It's at an angle
It's polarised (that device would have to be positioned vertically to improve detection range)
That device is illegal here.

Toll roads use different technology, and that device isn't designed to detect it.

Lots of other things use the same freqs, ie, lane departure etc etc.

Full explanations of the technology used, and it's limitations have already been mentioned in this thread.

Just go back to pg1, put the kettle on,, open a packet of jaffa cakes and have a good read.

I don't mean to be in any way rude or dismissive, but, some of us are getting tired of constantly explaining and referring to technical documentation., which has already been explained and linked to.

Happy reading.

I have given the thread a couple of hours, and read some terrible sh*te. That such devices are illegal here is stating the bleeding obvious. I ignore trite little comments about fairy cakes and the like.

Neither have I any interest in opinions just empirical data that answers the questions posed.

So you say GoSafe use the lower end of the K spectrum.. do you have an actual number/value?
I get the angle of beam/visible spread profile etc, so why would I be alongside/or past before detection?

Was hoping Ironclaw would respond as I know him to be a real quality poster from other forums.

ironclaw

mrawkward wrote: »

I have given the thread a couple of hours, and read some terrible sh*te. That such devices are illegal here is stating the bleeding obvious. I ignore trite little comments about fairy cakes and the like.

Neither have I any interest in opinions just empirical data that answers the questions posed.

So you say GoSafe use the lower end of the K spectrum.. do you have an actual number/value?
I get the angle of beam/visible spread profile etc, so why would I be alongside/or past before detection?

Was hoping Ironclaw would respond as I know him to be a real quality poster from other forums.

I'm here! :pac:

What mikeecho said is bang on. There is not a device on the market that can detect these vans at a considerable distance that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. If you really want to detect these vans, you'll need a Stinger DSI (About €3k installed)

The reason? Escort and Bel, the major radar detector manufacturers have not improved their technology in years (And I mean 15+ years) as the police in the US haven't done it either. These devices are legal in many US states and red light / fixed cameras are more common, hence most of the development has been in adding GPS etc them.

On the technical side, you have three things against you:

- GoSafe uses a very low powered beam compared to a 'hairdryer' radar gun. Basically, it's whispering as opposed to shouting so your device won't 'hear' it until you are on top of it.
- GoSafe beams are highly polarized in the vertical direction. Your average device is better in the horizontal, so your detection range is lower.
- GoSafe radar is right on the edge of K band (24GHz dead as opposed to 24.1+GHZ for other devices) meaning your bandpass filter in the device is struggling to hear it as it's more sensitive towards the centre of the band. This is an engineering limitation and if you can solve it, you'll make a lot of money.

To absolutely ram home, these devices are extremely illegal in Ireland. You can't even walk around with one in your bag, let alone in your car. Do not, whatever you do, buy one and think you can speed around the country. That's not how they work and they won't work in 99% of cases.

How do I know the above? I've had an unhealthy obsession with this tech since I was younger and have the good fortune of being in areas where they are legal, I've been at locations where they are being tested, and I've met with individuals who are experts in the field.

Slow down, arrive alive. It's far easier and far cheaper.

Edit: Changed frequency, thanks mikeecho.

mrawkward

Excellent...I now understand why we got the results we did.

mikeecho

@ironclaw

24ghz

ironclaw

mikeecho wrote: »

@ironclaw

24ghz

Whoops. Thanks!

GM228

ironclaw wrote: »

To absolutely ram home, these devices are extremely illegal in Ireland. You can't even walk around with one in your bag, let alone in your car. Do not, whatever you do, buy one and think you can speed around the country.

Indeed, it is illegal to:-

• Use your car with one in it in a public place (weather the device is in use or not).
  
• Import or supply a device.
  
• Fit a device to a vehicle.
  
• Have one in your possession.

In other words it is illegal to import, supply, fit or use/have one in a vehicle or on your person.

It is also worth noting that not only can Customs and Gardaí seize such devices, but can also actually seize the vehicle they are in too, this rarely happens though.

JamesBond2010

GM228 wrote: »

Indeed, it is illegal to:-

• Use your car with one in it in a public place (weather the device is in use or not).
• Import or supply a device.
• Fit a device to a vehicle.
• Have one in your possession.

In other words it is illegal to import, supply, fit or use/have one in a vehicle or on your person.

It is also worth noting that not only can Customs and Gardaí seize such devices, but can also actually seize the vehicle they are in too, this rarely happens though.

For Sale

Stinger Going Cheap Only used a small bit :p:D:D:D

Seth Brundle

Pretzeluck wrote: »

I literally speed every single day and accelerate upon passing the van, still haven't received anything.

Are you walking or on a bicycle?

JamesBond2010

Pretzeluck wrote: »

I literally speed every single day and accelerate upon passing the van, still haven't received anything.

U Rebel!!!!:p:p:D:D:D:D:D

tuxy

I figuratively speed past the vans everyday in a car.
No ticket yet.

mikeecho

Just to put the range of these speed vans to bed.
Have a look at this video.
At 48seconds you can see the Infra Red flash from the roof of the van.
That's how close you have to be before your speed/pic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRS7ev_efxc

tuxy

People they catch must be busy checking facebook!

pm.

mikeecho wrote: »

Just to put the range of these speed vans to bed.
Have a look at this video.
At 48seconds you can see the Infra Red flash from the roof of the van.
That's how close you have to be before your speed/pic

Edit. Oops.. link reveals my personal details.
I'll upload it to youtube or similar and repost in the morn

Please do I'd be interested is seeing that

mikeecho

pm. wrote: »

Please do I'd be interested is seeing that

It's up and running now.

Aston martin

I thought in Ireland , you are innocence until found guilty,!!!!! If you go to court and you weren't speeding there are some people who are caught and weren't how do you prove you weren't .. only way is to get an expert in from England that will cost Stg £3500 that's if you can find one thats free on the date of your case.. Over 200,000 people have gone to court saying they didn't get the ticket and get off for free. How is that a fair legal system . In the UK for a conviction the police or GO Safe in Wales need two independent bits of evidence why is that not here in Ireland where they only seem to have one. In UK the Calibration certs are published on line in Ireland you might get a quick flash of a sheet of paper in a court case..
and told that you need to bring it to another country to get it checked . I understand that the Calibration certs for Go -Safe are supply by the same company that supply the Radars is that fair. Has anyone been caught in Pembroke Road D4 or in Donnybrook driving a VW Crafter ... Wonder how does the picture get from the van to the fines office , real interesting subject .

mikeecho

Aston martin wrote: »

I thought in Ireland , you are innocence until found guilty,!!!!! .

Yes , but you can admit guilt by paying the ticket
Or you can go to court and play it all out.

Aston martin wrote: »

I If you go to court and you weren't speeding there are some people who are caught and weren't how do you prove you weren't .. .

??? You only have to disprove the evidence against you (not easy)

Aston martin wrote: »

only way is to get an expert in from England that will cost Stg £3500 that's if you can find one thats free on the date of your case.. Over 200,000 people have gone to court saying they didn't get the ticket and get off for free. How is that a fair legal system .

I don't think the legal system was ever described as fair

Aston martin wrote: »

In the UK for a conviction the police or GO Safe in Wales need two independent bits of evidence why is that here in Ireland where they only seem to have one. In UK the Calibration certs are published on line in Ireland you might get a quick flash of a sheet of paper in a court case...

Because there is no legal obligation to prove that the device was callibrated.. however.. believe it or not.. they are all callibrated yearly.. I've seen the certs

Aston martin wrote: »

I and told that you need to bring it to another country to get it checked . .

Neve heard of that happening.

All of the Garda lti speed guns are callibrated in Dublin..... Would you like the address?

Aston martin wrote: »

I I understand that the Calibration certs for Go -Safe are supply by the same company that supply the Radars is that fair.

It's not uncommon for manufacturers of devices, whether it be speed or medical equipment to calibrate / certify their own equipment.

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Aston martin wrote: »

I Has anyone been caught in Pembroke Road D4 or in Donnybrook driving a VW Crafter.

I've no idea

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Aston martin wrote: »

. Wonder how does the picture get from the van to the fines office , real interesting subject .

When the van returns to its base the data is uploaded via a secure connection to Garda HQ.... Not that interesting

Aston martin

Aston: Not possible to disprove you are not guilty , I would think there hasn't been anyone able to disprove the Radar or equipment evidence was faulty
you can't look at the contract appointing GO-SAFE ,GO Safe don't have phone Number ? as far as I know its and off shore company based Isle of man.

Surely as innocence you should be given a fair chance to defend your self , some people get caught and they weren't speeding !!!! Radar manufactories have warning on them that mistakes can happen.

In UK two separate evidence and two photos in Ireland one photo.

Its is common that people self regulate but we all know from building regulations in Ireland where people regulated them selfs and there was a mess left behind .

Say the company that make the radar AGD/Redflex {Redflex are shareholder in Go Safe}
come along at end of the year to the GO Safe Van and find out that the radar hasn't been calibrating properly for last six months ,
957 drivers have been caught incorrectly and fined and paid .

the question I am wondering does Radar company that self regulate by issuing their own certs point out the problem,
1) does it cost the radar couple hundred thousands and maybe the whole Go Safe company and system collapse
2) or do the just say all correct , and reissue cert for another 12 months : does anyone know the answer ???

I can get you certified court extract from an Irish court where the prosecution state clearly the calibration cert used by Go Safe can only be read out of Ireland , Happy to meet you you to show you.

Interesting I understand that the pictures are uploaded by Redflex software , {Redflex are a third share holder in Go Safe ,}

There was a very brave Whistle blower in Go-Safe that pointed out , that people had been fined incorrectly , why was he fired ???

mikeecho

Aston martin wrote: »

Aston: Not possible to disprove you are not guilty , I would think there hasn't been anyone able to disprove the Radar or equipment evidence was faulty
you can't look at the contract appointing GO-SAFE ,GO Safe don't have phone Number ? as far as I know its and off shore company based Isle of man.

Surely as innocence you should be given a fair chance to defend your self , some people get caught and they weren't speeding !!!! Radar manufactories have warning on them that mistakes can happen.

In UK two separate evidence and two photos in Ireland one photo.

Its is common that people self regulate but we all know from building regulations in Ireland where people regulated them selfs and there was a mess left behind .

Say the company that make the radar AGD/Redflex {Redflex are shareholder in Go Safe}
come along at end of the year to the GO Safe Van and find out that the radar hasn't been calibrating properly for last six months ,
957 drivers have been caught incorrectly and fined and paid .

the question I am wondering does Radar company that self regulate by issuing their own certs point out the problem,
1) does it cost the radar couple hundred thousands and maybe the whole Go Safe company and system collapse
2) or do the just say all correct , and reissue cert for another 12 months : does anyone know the answer ???

I can get you certified court extract from an Irish court where the prosecution state clearly the calibration cert used by Go Safe can only be read out of Ireland , Happy to meet you you to show you.

Interesting I understand that the pictures are uploaded by Redflex software , {Redflex are a third share holder in Go Safe ,}

There was a very brave Whistle blower in Go-Safe that pointed out , that people had been fined incorrectly , why was he fired ???

Lots of , if's, buts, maybes and I think.

I don't know where you're going with this.